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I'm looking for a bit of a breakthrough with information on an ancestor that is seemingly impossible to trace.
Albert Edward Snowball, the sixth son of John (my g.g. grandfather) and Sarah Snowball was born in June 1863 in Lambeth, at that time in the county of Surrey.
The 1871 Census shows him as a 7-year old, living with his family at 2, Salisbury Terrace, Willesden.
In the 1881 Census, Albert Snowball is recorded incorrectly as Albert E. Soucobale. This is a transcription error from the census form. Albert, then aged 17, is recorded as a carpenter, residing at Fern Villa, Hampstead.
From hereon, Albert does not appear on further census returns and no other reference to him is to be found, save Albert Edward Snowball being mentioned, along with his siblings, in his father John Snowball’s will of 1895 and a codicil to the will in 1899, which does not alter the previous arrangement in Albert's favour. I'm therefore assuming he's alive in 1899 but just where is a mystery.
Anyone with the time and a better idea than me, as to his possible whereabouts after 1881, would be bestowed with gratitude.
Steve
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Is this likely to be him
1892 Nov 26, St Andrews Battersea
Edward Albert SNOWBALL, 28, bachelor, Tailor, residing 96 Stewarts Road, father John Snowball, Engineer
Annie MORRIS, 28, spinster, -, residing 96 Stewarts Road, father George Morris, tailor
Married after banns
Both signed in presence of Frederick Richard Snowball, Frances Taylor
1901 Aug 3, St Philips, Battersea
Edward Albert SNOWBALL, 35, widower, Electrician, residing 64 St Andrews St, father John Snowball (deceased), Engineer
Rhoda LONG, 28, spinster, -, residing 64 St Andrews St, father William Long (deceased), piano forte tuner
Married after banns
Both signed in presence of William Long, Edith White
Ian C
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There is an Annie SNOWBALL, birth Dec qtr 1893 Wandsworth, who is more than likely the Annie SNOWBALL, niece, aged 7 with Robert and Sarah and his family in Battersea in 1901. Probably a daughter of Edward Albert and Annie.
Annie SNOWBALL death Dec qtr 1893, Wandsworth, aged 29. Probably died in childbirth.
No sign of Albert Edward / Edward Albert in 1891 or 1901 that I can see.
Ian C
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Hi Ian
Thanks for the information and the time spent on this one.
I also haven't yet been able to find Albert Edward on the 1891 or 1901 census.
His father, John Snowball, was a builder from Northumberland and has been recorded as such on official documentation up to his death in 1901, apart from his marriage certificate where he is a carpenter journeyman.
I see no reason why John Snowball would be recorded as an engineer, so I'm not entirely convinced the Edward Albert in your research is the same as my Albert Edward. Also, the witness, Frederick Richard Snowball is not a known contemporary relative of Albert Edward.
Finally, the majority of John Snowball's sons appear to have entered the building trade, either as carpenters, architects or builders. The profession of a tailor seems a bit detached from that of his siblings!
Steve
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Hi
1911 census index has an Edward Snowball aged 44 with a Rhoda 38 and a Violet aged 8 all in Wandsworth registration district that would cover Battersea. He seems to track back along with Robert his older brother and Frederick Richard his younger brother to parents John an engine fitter born Newcastle upon Tyne and wife Elizabeth born Lambeth.
Births Dec 1864
SNOWBALL Edward Albert Runcorn 8a 180
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
This is certainly not mine but many thanks for the input.
My Albert Edward Snowball was th son of John Snowball b.1822 in Harlow Hill, near Ovingham, Northumberland. His mother was Sarah Laidler b.1824 in Whickham, Co. Durham. Their children were Eleanor Mary, John Thomas,
Hannah Augusta, George Laidler, James William, James Harrison, Albert Edwad and Arthur Henry (oldest to youngest).
Steve
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Hi
The information was given to help eliminate the candidate.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
I appreciate that. Any help, whether eliminating people or finding them is useful, as far as I'm concerned. This little brickwall has been niggling away for a number of years now and I'm no further forward. I thought the 1901 and then the 1911 Census would reveal something once released but not the case. He'll show up somewhere!
Regards
Steve
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Hi
You could try tracking him through the Death Duty Registers held at The National Archives, though the later ones have to be order because they are not kept on site. See the research guide for the details the registers hold.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=107
Regards
Valda
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Hi,
Could he have emigrated ? There is a result for an Albert E Snowball on the Australia passenger lists on A*******, I do not have a full subscription so could nt see details, but it is possible to pay per view.
Best wishes
Cathy
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Hi Cathy
Which site were you on for this info?
Was it Find My Past?
Regards
Steve
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Hi,
Ancestry.co
Cathy :)
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Hi Steve
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Gary
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Hi Cathy
I think you might well have cracked it. We'll see but I have done a quick pay- as- you- go on Ancestry (my subscription didn't cover Passenger lists to Australia) and there he is!
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Now interestingly, in 1923, his neice (Albert's brother's daughter) emmigrated to Adelaide also, when she was 30.
Her name was Gertrude Adelaide Snowball (possibly named after her uncle's place of residence?). Gertrude eventually married and lived there until her death in 1956.
I'll continue with this very interesting link.
Many thanks
Steve
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Hi
The Victoria Birth, Marriages and Deaths website
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA2574F700805DE7/page/Historical+research-Search+historical+indexes?OpenDocument&1=60-Historical+research~&2=10-Search+historical+indexes~&3=~
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda and Cathy and Gary
This is nearly the end of searching for my elusive great great Uncle Albert and after only a couple of days since posting on this site.
Albert Edward Snowball emmigrated to Sydney in 1885, aged 22 and thanks to the site recommended by Valda, I have now found his wedding to Dorothy May Riley in Colac, Victoria in 1916.
Thanks everyone :)
Steve
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Hi Steve,
I have just come across this thread. The Dorothy May Riley mentioned above is my 1C1R so Albert Edward Snowball is in my family tree. I have his parents listed as Richard Snowball & Sarah Collier from his death information Colac, Victoria 1967. Dorothy was born 1898 so he would have been 35 years older than her and 104 when he died. Is this correct?
Lyn
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Hi Lyn
Thanks for contacting. Ironically, I have come across this possible stumbling block only last week!
Another personal family website suggested that the Albert Edward Snowball that married Dorothy May Riley was a totally different person from mine. Now what's the chances of that happening, with a name like that?
Richard Snowball and Sarah Collier are not connected to my tree but the death information does certainly verify that the Albert Edward Snowball who died in 1967 is not my chap. I have always been a bit sceptical of the age difference between him and his 'wife', Dorothy, that you have pointed out and Albert's age at death( if he were my relative) at 104 years, did seem excessive but of course, not impossible!
It's all led me to the belief that the Albert Edward Snowball from my family has at least reached Australia (verified by the passenger lists) but from here his whereabouts are as perplexing as ever. Back to the drawing board I fear! Thanks for the input and sorry for the confusion.
Steve