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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: roby on Friday 04 December 09 01:00 GMT (UK)
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Dear All,
My MCLEODS arrived aboard the " fever ship"Ticonderoga in 1852. It was called the fever ship because over 100 Scots perished during the journey and the ship was quarantined at Portsea, Vic on its arrival :'(
My ancestor Margaret MCLEOD and her 7 siblings survived the journey.
The family consists of :
Margaret b. 1821 Isle of Raasay (off Isle of Skye)
Christina b. 1825
Torquil b. 1827
Their parents were John MCLEOD b. abt 1792 and died 1851 and his wife Catherine died about 1836
John MCLEOD married his 2nd wife Elizabeth (Bess) abt 1836 and their children are:
Alexander b 1837
Ann b. 1838
Niel b. 1840
Catherine b. 1842
Catherine b. 1846
Margaret married James ROBINSON in Melbourne in 1853 and moved to the Barnawartha Vic. area around this time. Her sisters, Christina, Ann and Catherine x2 (yes 2, their Scottish Names were anglicanized to Catherine) also moved to this area. The girls are well researched and very traceable. ;D
However the boys are not.
I have searched VIC, NSW bdms without luck. I have a possiblity in Vic of a death for Niel in 1869 which I will probably purchase the certificate. However I have had no luck tracing Torquil or Alexander. There are many MCLEODS and without purchasing many certificates, I have not been able to find any that are obviously the right one.
I am hoping that there are some descendants of these brothers on this list who may be able to help
Many thanks
Roby
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Hi,
I do not know how common a name TORQUIL is. I have not encountered it before ;D and for that reason will post a finding of men by that name in Tasmania. The men are not of the age to be yours, but may be his descendants where the unusual name has been carried down.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y
shows something for 1919.
http://www.naa.gov.au
Shows some people of the name, again mostly from Tasmania
(search as a guest)
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=10
may yield some results too.
Sue
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Hmmm
Not sure if this is your family or not
Victorian indexes show a marriage for
1893 #3176 Torquil MCLEOD, born PURNIM = Margt MCLEOD, born PURNIM,
Also a birth for
1889 #25237 Jno Torquil MCLEOD, father Donald MCLEOD, mother Rachel NEALE, PURNIM,
Perhaps a grandson?
Cannot work out where "PURNIM" is :o
Given that the girls anglicised their names I wonder if Torquil did also. It's a very Scots name but not seen much here!
Edit to add further information:
I've looked at the MCLEODs registered in PURN and PURNIM, There appear to be four MCLEOD couples registering children between 1862 and 1876
John MCLEOD and Annie MCGILVERA(R)Y
Lachlan MCLEOD and Ann(e) MCLEOD
Angus MCLEOD and Agnes MUIR
John MCLEOD and Isabella MCLEAN
Judith
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Births to the couple already mentioned in previous post
1895 #15293 Mary Ann Christina, father Torquil, mother Margt MCLEOD, PURNIM
1896 #22686 Jno Alex MCLEOD, father Torquil, mother Margt MCLEOD, PURNIM
I cannot find a birth for the Torquil married in 1893. The marriage listing says he was born in PURNIM but I can't see him.
There seem to be a lots of Scots surnames in the PURNIM area, and lots of re-using of forenames - I see Neil and Alexander and John and Margaret used a number of times by different couples.
Judith
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Purnim is in south western Victoria near Warnambool
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Thanks warncourt - have seen it on googlemap now
;D
Hi Sue
Having googled "MCLEOD PURNIM" I have found a family who have a lot in common with yours, but not the same. You may care to look at it - for example there is a John Bhain MACLEOD b 1795 Isle of Raasay, m Catherine McSWAIN who died in 1835.
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=mackinlaylangley&id=I597&ti=5538
It seems that I may have led you astray with what I have posted. :-[
I'll leave you to sort it out!!
Judith
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John Bhain McLeod is my ancestor. I cannot establish any connection between my McLeods and the family being researched, apart from the fact that they both came from Raasay.
Likewise the Torquil McLeods refered to belong to branches of my John Bhain McLeod or other McLeods but not the McLeod being researched.
Dale
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Dalet, that's the conclusion I came to in the end. Interesting though, that there are so many paralllels with names and dates. :-\
Cheers, Judith :)
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Hi all as I have already responded by another site to this query I will post what I have already forwarded to Roby:
The 1939 Torquil McLeod was aged 83 so born c1856 parents John Mc and
Nellie McLennan.
Only birth in Victoria any where close was in Warrnambool in 1857 TACOL to
John and Margaret McCleod. 2 other sons registered in Warrnambool 1857-1859 to this couple. TACOL could well be a mistranscription!
In Purnim there are 5 births to John MCleod and Isabella McLean 1878-1885
Also in 1870 Margaret Catherine to John and FLora McLeod at SHIR which I
cannot place.
Donald John Torquil MCleod died 1947 aged 57 so born c1890 parents Donald Mc and Rachael Neale. in Purnin 1889 rego 25237
A Torquil McLeod married Margaret McLeod in Purnim in 1893 rego 3176
There are births to Niel Mcleod in the pioneer index and lots of Alexanders
unfortunately.
Save others time dupilcating the work
regards
Robyn
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Hi Roby,
I am assuming that it is 1859 for the death of Niel McLeod aged 33 parents Jon and Catherine rego #6904 and not 1869?
Robyn
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Thanks everyone for your responses.
Yes Robyn it is the 1859 death , sorry (typo error) even though the parents are not correct I may still get the cert . Niel's parents were John and Elizabeth,(but the 1st wife was Catherine )who knows stranger things have been recorded. :-\
Yes Judith I agree there are a lot of parallels but I feel this is not the family.
I have looked at MCLeods in Purnim previously, and decided they were not connected, but with a name like Torquil I thought there may be a link somewhere. so thank you Dale, you have helped to sort that.
I believe that Torquil is the anglicanised version of Torcal, but would welcome any further discussion on this. :)
Thank you Sue for the Tasmanian links, I wil check this out.
Again thank you all for your time
Roby
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Hi Roby
Niel McLeod is one of mine so don't buy the death certificate!!! He was a son of John McLeod who married Catherine McSwain in 1815 in Raasay.
Catherine died in 1835 in Raasay. John then married Flora McIntosh. They came to Australia in 1854 on board the "Edward Johnston" and settled in the Purnim area.
I see that you have connections with the "Ticonderoga". Many of the McLeods on board that ship also tie in with the Purnim and Mortlake areas. Let me know if I can help further as I have compiled a large tree on the descendants of John and Catherine. (and John and Flora too).
John (known as Iain Bhain because of his white hair) died in 1870 and was buried at Warrnambool.
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Der Ramah,
Many thanks for the reply,
my John McLeod did come from Raasay and his 1st wife was Catherine, ( her children were Margaret, Torquil, Christy) however his 2nd wife was Elizabeth.
My John McLeod died at Upper Fearns estate on 5/6/1851 on the Isle of Raasay (this is taken from the estate census records on Raasay) before his children came to Australia aboard the Ticonderoga in 1852.
His 2nd wife Elizabeth (Bess) McLeod died Jan 1849). She is the mother of the youngest five - Alexander Ann Niel Catherine and Catherine.
The eight siblings survived the journey and I can account for all the girls in the family, but no luck with the boys, Torquil, Alexander and Niel. :'(
I do wish your Niel was mine, but alas :( I am fairly certain he is a different Niel McLeod.
Yes, there were quite a few McLeod's on the Ticonderoga, and I would be great if we could touch base, as I have searched extensively for the missing McLeod brothers with no luck, so far. Who knows they will be tucked away somewhere:)
Regards
Roby
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Posting this as I feel it is the death of one of the people mentioned in an earier thread.
1889 #25237 Jno Torquil MCLEOD, father Donald MCLEOD, mother Rachel NEALE, PURNIM,
In NSW deaths:
27962 for 1944 in Taree: JOHN TORQUIL MCLEOD parents DONALD and MARGARET.
Right name and father but mother's name is different but this is not rare.
modifying to add
Also in NSW and 1878 death at GUNDAGAI for a 35 yo Neil McLeod no 6239
no parents names given. Age a bit out but if no one really knew him that is understandable.
A few possible NSW deaths for Alexander too in similar geographial locations but no paretns details to confirm
regards
Robyn
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RE:
Posting this as I feel it is the death of one of the people mentioned in an earier thread.
1889 #25237 Jno Torquil MCLEOD, father Donald MCLEOD, mother Rachel NEALE, PURNIM,
In NSW deaths:
27962 for 1944 in Taree: JOHN TORQUIL MCLEOD parents DONALD and MARGARET.
Right name and father but mother's name is different but this is not rare.
modifying to add
Sorry but this John Torquil McLeod died in 1947 in Mooroopna, Victoria.
Dale
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Dalet,
No aargument from me. The 1947 death was registerd as DONALD John Torquil Mcleod #17118 parents Donald Mcleaod and Rchael Neal aged 57 so born Purnin 1889 rego 25237
as mentioned earlier on registered as John without the Donald.
Family of Donald and Rachel MCleod: John Torquil 1889, Janet 1893, Margaret Isabella 1897, Alex 1900
Has anyone claimed connection to TORQUIL Mcleod aged 83 who died in Royal Park in 1939 #1103 parents John Mcleod and Nellie McLennan? est dob 1856.
Is he the same one who was born 1857 in Warrnambool to John and Margaret?
Also yet to find out where
27962 for 1944 in Taree: JOHN TORQUIL MCLEOD parents DONALD and MARGARET.
this man fits in. There are no NSW births for this man nor for the Edward Torquil MCleod died 1971 aged70 (born c1901)
So Roby's mystery remains what happend to the boys, did they return to Scotland? Could they have gone to NZ?
There are certainly several Alexanders and Neils in the deaths whose ages would be close, pity there is no parents information in the NZ index.
Scotland's people has be searched too I suspect.
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I have also looked at what I can find for the couple Torquil Mcleod and Margaret MCLeod who married in 1893 (see earlier thread) and is he the one born in Warrnambool?
Found registrations for Mary Ann Christina 1895 and John Alexander1896 (no deaths for them) and a1975 death #8627 aged 77 for Marie Margaret A (Warick) in Bendigo. (no birth found yet) b c 1898. could it possibly be Mary Ann Christina using another name as the 1928 marriage to John LEask Warwick has heras Marie Ann/ Maria Ann
regards
Robyn
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Thank you to everyone for the interesting discussion re: my missing McLeod Bros.
I will certainly check out Scotlands People, but these people were very poor as they were cleared from the highlands, I am wondering would they have money to go back ???
NZ is an option or other states of Aus, but it seems they did not stay in Vic or even go to NSW, the sisters settled near the Vic/NSW border so this was an option, but it seems that they ALL went somewhere either together or separately as no record has been found after they arrived safely in 1852.
Once again thank you to all the mystery continues :'(
Roby
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Well I had a look at WA &QLD online BDM and cemetery records without success.
Looked also at SA burials without finding anyone but I don't have access to a BDM index at all but it could be intersting as the TAS colonial listings seem to have arrived from ther, though one died aged 1 year.
Perhaps someone else may be able to help out with SA.
Tried shipping records:
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=42
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp
had no luck
best wishes
Robyn
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Has anyone claimed connection to TORQUIL Mcleod aged 83 who died in Royal Park in 1939 #1103 parents John Mcleod and Nellie McLennan? est dob 1856.
Is he the same one who was born 1857 in Warrnambool to John and Margaret?
I believe that he is. He is the son of John McLeod and Margaret nee McLeod. He married Margaret McLeod in 1893. Margaret is the daughter of Lachlan McLeod and Annie nee McLeod.
Lots of McLeods - no wonder they are so hard to track. :D
Regards Dale
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just to add to it, heres what I have.
http://www.ourkin.org/individual.php?pid=I000289&ged=orchard2.ged&tab=0
feel free to get in touch with me here or at my site!
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torquil belonging to Donald McLEod/Rachel Neale is from my family, so dont get that certificate ::)
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I no this topic is old but i saw a post referring to one of you being related to John Bain McLeod I have worked out that he is one of my great great something a rather grandfathers I was wondering of anyone had anymore information on him and his parents and what there place was in the Macleod clan of Rassay
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Hi McBilby,
John Bain's parents were John MacLeod and Flora MacLeod - not much help really as there are lots of them.
They were from Lower Hallaig on the Isle of Raasay. I have found them on the 1841 and 1851. In 1841 they are listed as being from Lech, Raasay and in 1851 from Hallaig.
Where they fit in to the Clan MacLeod - I would like to know that also. If you can see your way to posting a couple more comments I can then contact you directly and give you my email.
Regards Dale
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Hi Sue
Thank you for your reply, sorry but I did not get a message to say I had a reply hence the late response. I have checked the TAsmanian TORQUIL, unfortunately these are not my ancestors.
Again thank you for your time.
Cheers
Roby
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Hi, I know this post is old but hoping someone might be able to help me?
I’m chasing Torquil McLeod and John Alexander McLeod.
I can’t find anything on John Alexander, the last information I have is he visited his Dad at Royal Park 29th December 1938.
I believe my father is the son of John Alexander McLeod (DNA results)