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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: laura24 on Friday 04 December 09 00:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I have recieved a birth certificate this morning, but unfortunately it has left me rather confused!!
The certificate is for George Smallshaw 1853, his parents are Ann and George Smallshaw.
However, under the mothers name it says:
Ann SMALLSHAW, late TUTE formally GREENHALGH
I know here name was Ann Tute when she Married George Smallshaw in 1850, but have searched for an Ann Greenhalgh marrying a TUTE but now luck, also tried the other way Ann TUTE marrying a GREENHALGH but blank again.
I have carried out the search through FreeBMD, but records only start from 1837. However, i believe here birth to be around 1823 from Census info.
Can anyone help me untangle this??
Laura
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Where in Lancs are we on about?
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It may be... I'm sure someone will be along to correct me if I'm wrong... that Ann's parents weren't married when she was born but did marry shortly after the birth, so she could have been originally registered under GREENHALGH (if that was her mother's maiden name) but then was re-registered as TUTE when her parents married???
Hope that helps
Katie
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The marriage was at MANchester Cathedral. You could get a copy from the parish records which could help a bit.
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I'm pretty sure that it means that she was married before. I read it as she was born and christened as Ann Greenhalgh, she then married a man with the surname Tute and now she is married to George Smallshaw.
The fact that you haven't found a record of a Greenhalgh - Tute marriage is strange, but then it's not unknown for some marriages to be very difficult to find for one reason or another.
jds1949
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Hi,
The George Smallshaw/Ann Tute marriage took place on 13 Oct 1850 at Manchester Cathedral and I believe Ann was a widow and her father was William Greenhalgh. The witnesses were Robert Smallshaw and Elizabeth Smallshaw.
This information would need to be confirmed with the certificate though -
Dec 1850
Manchester 20 464
Why there is no record of the Greenhalgh/Tute marriage is a bit of a mystery though.
Luzzu
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I agree that the normal interpretation is that Ann has been married before - sight of the marriage certificate would confirm this.
I don't know if this is the case but along the lines of Katie (netfrrl79) - could it be that she was born as Greenhalgh but that her mother later married Mr Tute and she was known by his (her stepfather) surname? Such a marriage could have been when she was a young child & would only show up on PRs.
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If it was Ann's mother who married Mr Tute, then here is a possible candidate from Lancashire OPC:
Baptism: 7 Sep 1823 St Anne, Tottington, Lancashire, England
Ann daughter of Alice Greenhalgh, weaver, bastard,
born 20 Nov 1822
So, if anyone can find a marriage between Alice Greenhalgh and the mysterious Mr Tute, we could have our answer.
jds1949
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Would it help if we tried to find her in 1841?
Easier said, than done though ::).
Luzzu
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I think George and Ann Smallshaw were in Salford in 1851 (at Robinson Court, 2 Queen Street) and had just had a baby - Susannah Smallshaw Mar 1851 Manchester 20 605.
Doesn't help the original query but I thought the Salford location might help find Ann in 1841.
???
Luzzu
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Laura,
What censuses have you found Ann Greenhalgh/Tute/Smallshaw on?
I could only find her in 1851 [transcript only - findmypast playing up] when her age is shown as 23 and in 1861 when her age is shown as 33 and her birthplace as Chorlton-cum-Hardy.
Mary
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Hi Everyone,
Sorry for taking my time getting back to you with this but here goes:
Through the Census' i believe Ann was born in Chorlton Cum Hardy in 1826ish!!
I have the information that Ann Married George Smallshaw in 1850,
In 1851 Ann is living in Salford at 2 Robinson, Queen St, Manchester, with George and daughter Susannah.
In 1861 they are living at 19 Foster St in Hulme with their children Susannah, George, Samuel, William and Ann
In1871 they are at the same address but now have another son Aaron
I can also see her on 1881 and 1891 Census with George dying in 1884.
I am stumped as to where to go now!! I will def be having a look at that Baptism record though!!
Thanks for looking for me, i really appreciate it!!
Laura xx
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Hi Laura
You really need to look at, or see if someone can access, the marriage certificate as has been suggested in other posts. This should tell you her fathers name and occupation, and also whether she was a widow or not.
One possibility is that Greenhalgh is her mothers surname and Tute is the surname of her reputed father. I have come across a few examples in Scotland in particular were a person has adopted their reputed fathers surname.
Andy
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Hi Laura,
I agree with Andy - I think your next move must be to either order a copy of the 1850 marriage certificate or try to see the record at Manchester library as this will confirm her status at the time of the marriage and also the name of her father.
Luzzu
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Hi
Contact Manchester Reg office normal £7 Plus P&P if any
details are in this links
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/pma.cgi?date=1850&county=lancashire&reference=MR%3ACATH%2F80%2F169&file=G&pos=76223&surname=SMALLSHAW&forename=George&area=MR
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php?form_action=national