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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: familyfinder2 on Monday 30 November 09 23:03 GMT (UK)
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Born in 1889 in London and emigrated to Australia sometime between 1901 and 1911 we believe possibly because of an unstated family problem.
It is possible that she married but we are unsure. However we do know that she died in the 1950s in Australia.
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Hi family finder,
I checked New South Wales couldn't see anything there.
I have found one vague possibility in Victoria. Given there was some family estrangement the informant on the death certificate may not have known her parents correct names. It is only a possibility. The marriage certificate would/should have her birthplace and fathers name on it and how long she had been in Victoria for.
Ellen Winifred Jarvie d 1963 aged 74 Brunswick -parents Archibald and Elizabeth PLEDGER # 4041
Ellen Maud FLYNN m Robert Ewing JARVIE 1916 # 5198R
1. Phyllis May Hannah JARVIE b 1916 Foster # 29880
Like I said it's a long shot :-\
Do you know if she had a second christian name ?
Regards
Alison
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Hello,
A search on the NSW online indexes reveals some possibilities:
1913 marriage for an Ellen Flynn to John Oconnor in rego# 6506 in St Leonards
and in 1953 a death in Bondi for Ellen Oconnor, parents John and Ellen rego# 13725
a 1917 marriage to Michael Ryan rego # 7249
and death in 1957 of Ellen Ryan paretns John and Ellen rego #3739
search here: http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=marriages
transcriptions are cheaper than ordering on line http://www.marbract.com.au/
Looked at online records in QLD
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm.htm
and WA
http://www.dotag.wa.gov.au/
and Victorian records on cd but online here searchable for a small fee:
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home
the NSW site was the only one that hada some real possibilities as listed above. Unfortuately ages are not given nore is the mother's surname and while the mother's name is given as Ellen in both cases it could have been given by a spuse who did not know the correct name.
good luck
Robyn
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Here are some more vague possibilities, at least the ages are about right :D
Nora Ellen ENGLISH d 1953 aged 53 Parkville parents John FLYNN mother unknown # 3978
Mary Ellen PHILLIPS d 1959 aged 62 Gardenvale parents Flynn unknown mother unknown # 12197
I see regross has come up with some possibilities I missed { 2 heads are better than one } :D.
Good luck in your search.
Regards
Alison
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Alison,
I was cross checking all Ellen Flynn marriages 1901-1920 against deaths to Ellen married names. :-[
Ruled them all out all had parents listed fathers surname as Flynn but not John and mothers name not even in the proximity. ???
Only one apart ,from Jarvie that you found, remained and I could not find a death was one for Ellen Needs/Woods (marriage was indexed under both surnames. There is an Ellen Needs death but way way too young (b 1920 and not as Flynn). :o
I winder if familyfinder has a city or state asscoiated with her?
regards
Robyn
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The Qld online BDM's has this possibility
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm.htm
in 1912 Ellen LYNN married Alexander Joseph BAKER reg no 3684
Jenn
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Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::) :-\
Are we looking for surname FLYNN or LYNN????????????
Judith
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Judith,
Looks to me as if the name has be modified :P
Sure it was Flynn, looking at the thread titles, now it is LYNN :o
Alison replied re Flynn as well! Both of us would not have made the same mistake ;)
Oh well it's a completely different case if it is Lynn :-X
modified to add thread notifications were FLYNN as well. I checked my emails.
regards
Robyn
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HI,
Following up on the Lynn Baker possibilty,
Several Ellen Bakers died in Qld in the 1950's,
Mary Ellen Baker 1951 father JOhn Keleher mother Susan Campbell
Rosa Ellen Baker 1955 father William Warner anad Lucy Buckingham
Ellen 1955 John Furguson and Mary
Mary Ellen Baker 1959 John Lane and Ellen Hanna
1956 a death of Ellen Annie Lynn Charles James Crump and Ann Allen Davis
So I would say theya re all unlikely candidiates.
The only Ellen Lynn arriving in Qld was in 1888 and she was 39.
Nothing matching in Vic, NSW or WA
Modified to add
NZ has a marriage for Ellen Lynn to Frederick William George Rogers in 1910.
Several NZ deaths for Ellen Rogers in the '50's two wold have birth dates c1888
1951 Ellen Rogers aged 66 and 1955 Ellen Rogers aged 70.
from https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
Robyn
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Oh dear me I did wonder why you girls were looking for FLYNN when I looked at it .it said LYNN in the title,
we will have to await familyfinder logging back in to give us the correct surname
JEnn
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Original heading seems to be LYNN and then #2, #3 and #4 has FLYNN and then back to LYNN. ???
Hopefully familyfinder will let us know which it is. :-\
Judith
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Thank you for all of the replies.
I have modified this title to FLYNN which is the correct name. The thread has been moved I believe and the "F" must have been lost in transit!
We have no more information than I have disclosed above in the original subject and post I'm afraid. The only reason we know that she died in Australia was that she left some money to her brother back in the fifties according to another relative.
I know from other branches of my family that Australian certificates are very informative and give information such as mother's maiden name, even on a death certificate, as Australian relatives have e mailed copies in the past to confirm our connection.
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Thanks FF for clarify we are searching for an ELLEN FLYNN
jenn
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Hi FF,
You don't happen to know the brothers name Ellen left the money to do you? I don't know how it will help but it is another piece of the puzzle. She must have had a will in some state, but which state and under what name ::) Thinking out loud here lol
Regards
Alison
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Hi
It is nice to know that we hadn't gone quite gaga ::) searching for Flynn.
I did check NZ for Ellen Flynn as well 9 in all 7 most unlikely but 2 possibles :
Ellen Wallace died 1959 aged 72 married William Kirby Wallace 1903 and less likely on date:
Ellen Houlihan died 1943 61 married John Houlihan 1914
Don't overlook NZ as many families in England often referred to their family as being in Australia but in actual fact they were in New Zealand.
regards
Robyn
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A quick update on this.
We have recently found out that her name was Ellen Mary Flynn and she apparently lived in Canberra.
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Do you know if she did marry at all?
Is it possible she married in England prior to coming to Australia?
thanks Jenn
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Born in 1889 in London and emigrated to Australia sometime between 1901 and 1911 we believe possibly because of an unstated family problem.
It is possible that she married but we are unsure. However we do know that she died in the 1950s in Australia.
Have you searched for her on the 1911 Census?
I cannot find her leaving the UK or arriving in Australia in the years you mention under the name Ellen Mary FLYNN.
Have a browse here -
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08fj/
This is the only death reg in the 1950's for an Ellen Mary in the ACT.
1958
MOON Mary Ellen 16 Feb 1958.
However I can't see a burial here. Perhaps she was cremated.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08fk/
Just in case it is your Ellen Mary...some electoral roll info.
Australian Electoral Rolls
1928 ACT
MOON Mary Ellen Oakes Estate HD
MOON Victor George Oakes Estate Painter
1935, 1937
Both at Ainslie
1943, 1949, 1954
at Fouveaux Street, Ainslie - occupations the same.
Cando
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Dear familyfinder2
This is most intriguing!
John Flynn and Emily Podger were my great grandparents although I actually know very little about them. They were married on 29 September 1886 at St Mary of the Angels, Paddington. I have an old photocopy of their marriage certificate but strangely can find no reference to them or their children in the 1891 or 1901 censuses and no record of their childrens' births/baptisms.
The family reappears in the 1911 census in London. John and Emily are living with three unmarried daughters: Catherine 23, Mary 18, and Margaret 14 and one son, John Leonard 12, my grandfather. However, the census form does state that John and Emily had FIVE children all still living in 1911. According to the census form Catherine, Mary, Margaret and John were all born in Westminster.
Until I found the 1911 census I had believed that my grandfather had only two sisters, Mary and Margaret both of whom I remember from my childhood.
Now the plot thickens. With the marriage certificate I also inherited a photocopy of a 'Certificate of Registry of Birth' for ELLEN MARY Flynn dated 11 July 1889 in Lambeth. For a long time I thought this related to my 'Auntie' (great aunt) Mary, born about 1893, but as the census gives her age as 18 in 1911 this is clearly not the case. Consequently I rejected Ellen Mary as a member of the family mainly because I couldn't imagine John and Emily naming one daughter 'Ellen Mary' in 1889 and another daughter 'Mary' in 1893 - but perhaps I was wrong!
So, it seems Ellen Mary might well be the missing child, a year younger than Catherine and four years older than Mary. If so, my grandfather, the baby of the family and not born until 1898, was the brother Ellen Mary left her money to in the '50s. I will contact my mother's surviving sisters to see if I can glean any further information but I won't 'hold my breath' as the say.
I would be interested to know how you were able to link your Ellen Mary to John and Emily and would be grateful for any further snippets of information, however insignificant, you might be able to let me have.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Gerald Sleeman
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Dear familyfinder2
This is most intriguing!
John Flynn and Emily Podger were my great grandparents although I actually know very little about them. They were married on 29 September 1886 at St Mary of the Angels, Paddington. I have an old photocopy of their marriage certificate but strangely can find no reference to them or their children in the 1891 or 1901 censuses and no record of their childrens' births/baptisms.
The family reappears in the 1911 census in London. John and Emily are living with three unmarried daughters: Catherine 23, Mary 18, and Margaret 14 and one son, John Leonard 12, my grandfather. However, the census form does state that John and Emily had FIVE children all still living in 1911. According to the census form Catherine, Mary, Margaret and John were all born in Westminster.
Until I found the 1911 census I had believed that my grandfather had only two sisters, Mary and Margaret both of whom I remember from my childhood.
Now the plot thickens. With the marriage certificate I also inherited a photocopy of a 'Certificate of Registry of Birth' for ELLEN MARY Flynn dated 11 July 1889 in Lambeth. For a long time I thought this related to my 'Auntie' (great aunt) Mary, born about 1893, but as the census gives her age as 18 in 1911 this is clearly not the case. Consequently I rejected Ellen Mary as a member of the family mainly because I couldn't imagine John and Emily naming one daughter 'Ellen Mary' in 1889 and another daughter 'Mary' in 1893 - but perhaps I was wrong!
So, it seems Ellen Mary might well be the missing child, a year younger than Catherine and four years older than Mary. If so, my grandfather, the baby of the family and not born until 1898, was the brother Ellen Mary left her money to in the '50s. I will contact my mother's surviving sisters to see if I can glean any further information but I won't 'hold my breath' as the say.
I would be interested to know how you were able to link your Ellen Mary to John and Emily and would be grateful for any further snippets of information, however insignificant, you might be able to let me have.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Gerald Sleeman
Hello Gerald
I have sent you a private message.
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My thanks to all who have replied.
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Dear FamilyFinder2
Well, I'll be blowed!
I feel so stupid for not checking alternative spellings - especially as I've solved so many problems that way with other branches of the family.
I've only just joined RootsChat.Com so I can't send you a private message at the moment - apparently I've got to get a few more Posts under my belt first.
It's wonderful to make contact with you and I'll be in touch again as soon as I can.
With kind regards.