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Title: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: chrissue on Friday 27 November 09 19:07 GMT (UK)
has anyone got any info on this gentlemen. He is my grandfather.
Thanks
Chrissue
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: tazzie on Friday 27 November 09 19:44 GMT (UK)



   Hi Chrissue....

  What is his first name and what info do you already have to save a repeat.

     Tazzie
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: Valda on Friday 27 November 09 22:53 GMT (UK)
Hi

There were there were three Woolnough male births registered in the London area in 1877

Births Sep 1877
Woolnough  Charles William A     Kensington  1a 104   
Woolnough  Edwin Algar     Marylebone  1a 511   
Births Dec 1877   
WOOLNOUGH  Frederick     Mile End  1c 572

another eight in 1876 and another four in 1878.

London had a population of over 3 million in 1871 and growing fast so there will always be quite a few people with the same surname found in such a large city.


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: chrissue on Saturday 28 November 09 21:20 GMT (UK)
I think he was a Charles Woolnough and was a milkman. His first wife died and he married a lady with the surname Weale. He had children during his first marriage and one child by his second. She was Gwendoline Woolnough and was my birth mother.
Chrissue
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 28 November 09 21:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Chrissue

There is a Charles showing in the London area in the 1901 census that might fit, but not London born. Family living in Camberwell:

Chas Wm Woolnough 23, milk carrier b. Broom, Suffolk
Louisa Woolnough 24 b. Peckham, London
Charles Woolnough 3 months b. Dulwich, London

RG13; Piece: 503; Folio: 35; Page: 15

Monica  :)
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 28 November 09 22:01 GMT (UK)
I think at least one of Charles' marriages show on the parish registers:

There is a parish register entry for a Charles William Woolnough marrying an Eliza Wheal on 2 May 1920 at Saint Paul, Kensington, where he shows as a widower, aged 48. Occupation is that of a milk carrier. Father William is down as deceased. Eliza, aged 37, a spinster. Father down as Cornelius, a butcher by trade. Father does not show as deceased (although this is not always something to be relied on!)

On FreeBmd, there is possible entry for first marriage:

Marriages 4th Qrt 1899 
Rushton Louisa Elizabeth M and on the same page, Woolnough Charles William    - Camberwell 1d   1570

Monica     
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 28 November 09 22:13 GMT (UK)
Possible death for first wife Louisa:

Deaths 1st 1919 
Woolnough Louisa E M, age 42 in Hackney    1b/ 657

Monica
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 28 November 09 22:32 GMT (UK)
Possible entry for Charles with family in 1891 (The family show in Mitcham in 1881):

William Woolnough 46, gardener b. Cratfield, Suffolk
Maria Woolnough 39 b. Somerleyton, Suffolk
Charles Woolnough 13, b. Broom Suffolk
Ada Woolnough 10, b. Mitcham, Surrey
Hertzibah Woolnough 2 b. Mitcham, Surrey

The family show in Camberwell - RG12; Piece: 472; Folio 66; Page 65

Possible entry for Charles' birth:

Births 2nd Qrt 1877   
Woolnough Charles William - Hartismere 4a  617

And likely entry for parents' marriage:

Marriages 3rd Qrt 1876 
Woolnough, William Henry and Duncan, Maria Rebecca   - Hartismere 4a 847
   

Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 28 November 09 23:16 GMT (UK)
A little bit on Eliza Wheal  :)

Her parents' marriage shows on 16 May 1880 at Saint Thomas, Stepney:

Corneall Wheal, 33, butcher. Father James, a Farm labourer.
Eliza Powis, 31. Father Thomas, a coal whipper

Eliza's birth I think is this one:

Births 1st Qrt 1883
WHEAL Eliza - St. Saviour 1d   158

Eliza's baptism shows on 1 Mar 1885 at Saint Stephen, Walworth Common, Southwark.

Failing miserably to find them on the censuses though  :-\
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 28 November 09 23:27 GMT (UK)
It will probably help in finding entries later. This looks like Cornelius in 1871 in Mile End Old Town:

Corneal Wheal, 23, boarder, pork butcher assist., born Essex, Stondon Massey
Class: RG10; Piece: 561; Folio: 146; Page: 17

Possible birth entry for him:

Births 4th 1847 

WHEAL Cornell - Ongar 12 156

From IGI, confirming parents:

Cornel Wheal  Christening: 02 JAN 1848 Stondon-Massey, Essex
Parents: James Wheal and Mary Wheal    
      
Monica
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 28 November 09 23:44 GMT (UK)
 :) Found 1901, in Forest Gate, West Ham:

Corneal Wheal 53, widower, butcher's assist., b. Stondon Massey, Essex
Mary Page 81, mother, b. High Ongar, Essex
Sarah Chambers 42, sister, b. Stondon Massey, Essex

RG13; Piece: 1592; Folio: 42; Page: 21

Monica
Title: Gwendoline Woolnough
Post by: chrissue on Monday 30 November 09 21:36 GMT (UK)
Hi folks
Thanks to all of you for the info on Charles Woolnough. It seems he might be the milk carrier. I'm also looking for a lady called gwendoline Woolnough circa 1920. I have looked at the births for that year and am struggling to find her. I have found her getting married to someone called Russell in 1960. Can anyone enlighten me.
Thanks
Chrissue ;D
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: Valda on Monday 30 November 09 21:52 GMT (UK)
Hi

As she married aged around 40 in 1960 could it be this wasn't her first marriage so Woolnough wasn't her maiden name? The marriage certificate itself will of course give further information. She might of course have been born a Woolnough but not in England or Wales. She might be adjusting her age down on her marriage.

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 30 November 09 21:58 GMT (UK)
This looks to be the birth entry for Charles and Eliza's daughter:

Births 4th Qrt 1924   
WOOLNOUGH (name as you have) WHEAL in Hackney    1b   541

The Russell/Woolnough marriage shows the same name including middle initials so looks likely  :)
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: Valda on Monday 30 November 09 22:14 GMT (UK)
Hi

or slightly more unusual then, if you have her age correct on marriage, adjusting her age up!

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: chrissue on Tuesday 01 December 09 18:50 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the info. I think she might have told one or two fibbies. Now I have something to work on.
Chrissue
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 01 December 09 19:53 GMT (UK)
Possible death entry for her in Jan 1994 in Enfield, Middlesex (with a birth date of 6 Dec. 1924).

Hope you find what you need chrissue  :)

Monica
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: chrissue on Tuesday 01 December 09 19:56 GMT (UK)
With the info I had about her marriage I think I found that she died in 2002 in Cornwall. Need to find the obituary in cornwall. How do I find these?
Chrissue :(
Title: Re: woolnough 1877 London
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 01 December 09 20:23 GMT (UK)
Chrissue, sent you a PM  :)