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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Yorkshire (West Riding) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests => Topic started by: buddha on Monday 30 November 09 11:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Wonder if anyone can help. In one of my trees I have a marriage certificate for a Ann Simpson married to William Slingsby in Sheffield 1860. Her father is named as Thomas Simpson a scale cutter. Thinking to trace anne simpsons family I sent for her birth certificate which has just arrived. This is where the mystery starts. Her mothers name is given as Mary Ann Simpson but the name, and occupation of the father has got a line through it. Making me think that she was illigitimate. The date was may 1839. I can only think that her mother and father when they eventually married both had the same surname. But looking through the marriages on free bmd from 1939 onwards cant find a marriage for them. I found a marriage for a Mary Ann Simpson and a Thomas Anderson in Knaresbrough in 1939 but obvously that can,t be them. Does anyone have any other explanation for this? Many thanks Pat :-\ Hope this makes sense.
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Hi Pat
Have you been able to see Ann Simpson on the census at all?
Evie
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Hi Evie, the only one I found was a Sarah Simpson living at Blue Boy Street aged 3yrs living with parents Thomas 25yrs and Mary 25yrs wth a brother Joseph 4yrs. Thomas,s occupation Bone scale cutter. Regards Pat
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Hi
Where was Ann born - does it have a street name?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly, yes she was born at Copper Street, Sheffield, which is also recorded as the residence of her mother Mary Ann. Regards Pat
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are you sure you have the right Anne Simpsons birth cert ?
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In 1871, Ann's mother is living with them...
Mary Ann SIMSPON age 58, Charwoman, widow, b Sheffield
RG10/ Piece: 4681/ Folio: 15/ Page: 24/
Cheers
AMBLY
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Where's Ann & William SLINGBY in 1861, do you know?
Eldest child on 1871 is age 8, b Sheffield.
William H SLINGBY is 32, b Doncaster, a F----k?? Maker
Cheers
AMBLY
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my thoughts
Anne could well be the illigitimate child fo Mary Ann Simpson who went on to marry Thomas Anderson and when Anne married using her birth name they could have asked her for her fathers name and she couldhave simply said Thomas.
who were the witnesses on the marriage cert ?
Mary Ann Simpson was born circa 1813 Sheffield then (according to the census)
Anne was born circa 1839
Mary Ann would have been 26
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Doesn't help the mystery but I think William's occupation is Flask Maker...
Josey
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Ambley: Yes I have them in the 1871 census, and in the 1861 census I have them living at 30 Bath Yard, Sheffield. RG09, piece 3481, folio 69, page 6 under HENRY Slngsby aged 22yrs.
Toni: The witnesses were John Flack (Clack?) and Mathew Plews.
Josey: Yes his occupation was a dram flask maker
May thanks to you all, Pat
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1841
HO107; 1233; 10; 44; 7;
Water End, Brompton
Thomas Simpson 35 linen weaver :-\
Mary Ann 30
Mary Ann 10
Homer 8
Elizabeth 6
Ann 4
Sarah 1
Elizabeth 70
All BIC
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1841
HO107; 1233; 10; 44; 7;
Water End, Brompton
Thomas Simpson 35 linen weaver :-\
Mary Ann 30
Mary Ann 10
Homer 8
Elizabeth 6
Ann 4
Sarah 1
Elizabeth 70
All BIC
sorry thats not them because Ann is still with parents in 1861
RG9; 3661; 92; 9
Water End, Brompton
Thos Simpson 58 linen weaver
Mary Ann 50 hoddle maker
Ann 23 dressmaker
Sicily 14 scholar
and they are all born Brompton ::)
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I've looked all along Copper Street in 1841 on findmypast's address search.
There is a Thomas Simpson aged 71 living next door to John Simpson 40, Charlotte 35, George 16, Sarah 13, John 11, William 7, Elizabeth 5, Charlotte 2.
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I agree with Toni about a reason for Ann giving Thomas's name, but why is Mary Ann still Simpson on the 1871 if she married Thomas Anderson? And Knaresborough is some way from Sheffield.
I believe it was fairly common for illegitimate children to confect a father's name for a marriage certificate - I suspect I have had a case of that and WHAT FUN it is trying to sort it out!!
Josey
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Hi Josey, yes it is fun but also VERY frustrating lol regards Pat
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Hi
What was the place of residence of Ann on her marriage certificate please?
Evie
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Hi Evie, Blue Boy Street, Sheffield, Pat
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Thanks Pat
I cannot do an address search, I am wondering who is living there in 1851 and 1861?
Is anyone able to please?
Evie
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I'll have a look & report back....
Josey
In 1851 no Simpsons.
In 1861, at No 1, Court, Blue Boy Street
Jonathan Simpson 49 scale cutter born Sheffield
Mary Ann Simpson wife 49 do [?scale cutter] born Sheffield
Wilfred 8 son born Sheffield
Roland Flack 17 son razor cutter born Sheffield
Interesting that a John Flack was witness to Ann's marriage....
In 1851 there is a Jonathan Simpson widow aged 38 bone scale cutter lodging in Snow Lane.
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Thanks Josey :)
Interesting, I'm still looking although my search is playing up at the moment :(
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2 doors away from the Simpsons [RG09 3481 46 1] in 1861 is a Clack family [RG09 3481 46 2]
John Clack 32 razor grinder born Sheffield
Ann 31 do
Elizabeth 11 nursemaid Sheffield
Walter 5 Sheffield
James 3 Sheffield
The only Matthew Plews I can find is a grocer in Leeds [RG09 3380 9 2].
Do you know, Pat, the names of any of Ann's siblings?
Josey
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Hi, this is all very interesting but the mystery seems to deepen. No I havn,t got any more siblings. Have looked on free bmd and family search to see if there were any simpsons born around 1839 in sheffield with a father Thomas and a Mother Mary ann but with no luck. Best wishes, Pat.
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I have just been looking at the 1861 census and there are a few Matthew plews, not born in Sheffield but living in Sheffield. But unfortunately this does,t seem to help. Regards, Pat