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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: thefisherman37 on Monday 30 November 09 10:57 GMT (UK)
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:)Does anyone know anything about this place? It was in the Sub-registration district of Cheetham Manchester.In the 1901 census my Great grandad was in there, he was 16 years old and he was classed as a Inmate, do you think this could have been a workhouse? I know he must have been quite a poor guy, in the 1911 census he was living Angel Meadow in Collyhurst.
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Hi,
I don't think it was a workhouse but more like a charitable institution to help disadvantaged children and I think it might still be going today but it is called The Together Trust.
http://www.togethertrust.org.uk/togethertrust/archive_research.php?area=togethertrust&s1=6
If you think it might be the place where your great granddad was there is a contact telephone and email for the archivist.
Luzzu
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Luzzu is right. This was a home for motherless children. one of several in the Salford and Manchester district run by a charitable body. The archivist is very helpful and for a donation the together trust will look for records for you and send you a copy. I found their help invaluable. They do a publication called 'making rough places plain'. This gives the history of the charity and also an insight into what life was like in the homes along with some fascinating photo's, well worth a read I say :)
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Edmondson, W. (1921) Making Rough Places Plain. Fifty years' work of the Manchester and Salford Boys' and Girls' Refuges, London, Sherratt and Hughes.
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Hi, Ive just phoned up the Together Trust asked to speak to Toby Davidson he no longer works there. The man on the phone said he didn't know anything about the history and he didn't think any of the staff who was there would either, so I don't know where to go with it now! anyway thanks for your time. Jo :-\
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That didnt sound very helpful i would ring back and speak to someone else
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I know I feel a bit put off. I will try and send a email later, I might get some where that way! :-\
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I think next time you are in touch with the together trust, you should address all correspondents to the archivist. Many of us have been in touch with them before for records and have had no trouble getting what records they have. With or without a donation, but like most places, it seems to turn the key and open the door for us.
Migky ;)
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I agree with migky. I contacted the archivist and was put in touch with Toby Davison. They DO have records so don't be put off. Good luck
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Hi,
I've just come across this thread but i know it was from a few months ago now. My name is Liz Sykes and I became the Archivist at the Together Trust after Toby Davison left last year. I read the comments with some disappointment that you were not able to get through to me. We do indeed hold records on all of the children who were in our homes and we had several on Cheetham Hill. If you never managed to get contact with the Trust again please do so. We have an enquirys page that will go straight through to me. Manchester central library that hold our records are closed until mid june but I will have access again then. Thanks.
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Hi & welcome Liz, well it is great to have you on board here. There are so many people who come on here hoping to try and trace family members records and now they have a name to ask for. Trying to get any info these days on children in care is really hard going, so anything that can assist is welcome.
Now as we have your attention, is there anything we can dig up for you? I am sure people on here would be more than willing to help you with any lost family members you may have in your own family tree?
We have many trigger happy camera folk in here if any grave to be photographed.
Migky ;)
PS. The fisherman, my mother went from Angel Meadows to a convent home.
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I am quite happy to answer any enquiries related to the Manchester and Salford Boys and Girls Refuges and Homes or the Boys and Girls Welfare Society as we were later known. On a personal note I am also trying to dig up anything on the Shaw family. Mr Leonard Kilbee Shaw (born 1834 to Robert and Alicia Shaw in Ireland) was one of the co-founders of the charity but we have very little knowledge of him. I know he married Annie Hall in about 1866 in Macclesfield and they had a son, Robert Shaw in 1871. I have traced Robert up until the 1901 census age 30 but I can't find out anything about him after this. I think he'd died by the 1940's but how and when i'm not sure. I would be interested to know if he ever married and had children. If anybody knows anything about the family it would be greatly appreciated.
Liz
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Hi Liz
I'm trying to build up a history of orphanages in the UK. Was yours an actual orphanage or just a home for needy children?
I've looked through the records for the Muller orphanages for Leonard Shaw, but he wasn't one of ours.
Regards
Alan
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HI & welcome Alan.
We need all the help we can get with children in homes/care/orphanages.
What resources do you have that might help people looking for the ancestors in these establishments?
Oh! and by chance, is there anything we can help you with?
We nosy buggers and like to help ;D
Migky ;)
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Hi Migky
George Müller founded a faith-based orphanage in Bristol in 1834 - he made no appeals or advertising, but relied solely on God, through prayer, to meet the needs of the orphanage.
During his lifetime (he died in 1898), he cared for over 10,000 "full" orphans (ie children who had lost both parents or, in a couple of rare cases, one had died but the other was in a mental home with no hope of recovery). From 1901 until the homes closed in the mid-1980s, "partial" orphans were also admitted.
The George Müller Charitable Trust holds the records for all the children who passed through the doors of the orphanages (Müller's own house plus three other rented houses in Wilson Street, from 1834 - 1849, then five purpose-built homes on Ashley Down to the early 1950s, and then to smaller "family" units until we stopped residential care in the 80s).
There are admission registers showing the detail of the child's admission, dismissal registers (cross-referred to the admission registers) for all but the last few years, showing when the child left and where they went, plus files containing assorted paperwork relating to the admission. We don't know what is in each file until it has been retrieved from the archive, but sometimes there are marriage and death certificates relating to the parents, and birth certificates for the child(ren).
For descendants, we do have to make a charge for copying these. Visitors are welcome, but we do ask for a fortnight's notice and we have to charge £20 access fee - but this includes a copy of the admission and dismissal registers. A copy of the file will cost an additional £30.
There is also a small museum at the Trust's HQ in Cotham Park, Bristol.
Contact details are on www.mullers.org.
Regards
Alan
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Regarding your request, if this man is still living. Then no i can help as we are not permitted to post anything on possible living people on this forum.
If he died then maybe some one can help.
It is rule of this forum which we have to abide by or post relating to living people will be removed.
Migky ;)
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Hi
Fair enough - I've no idea if he's alive or dead.
Regards
Alan
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Hi there,
I'm hoping someone in here can help me. Like many others living away from Britain I am hopelessly attempting to put my family tree together from my home in Australia.
One roadblock I have hit was with my Great great grandfather Henry Jolley. His marriage certificate lists no father which means he was illegitimate (??). Census's found state he was born in Hindley, Wigan in 1862. I am wondering what orphanages would have been in and around Hindley that I can search. If Jolley was his mother's maiden name or the name of someone else he took. If so my Jolley bloodline stops there.
Can anyone in this thread assist me or point me in the right direction?
Much appreciated.
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Gooday & welcome Jolleygirl, it might be worth asking on Wiganworld web forum?
Click 4 Wigan world (http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/communicate/)
Migky ;)
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Have you found his birth? and do you have his birth certificate? What was his mothers name and have found a marriage for her?
His birth year could be out?
I could only see one birth that fitted but was born March 1/4 1860 Wigan.
Click 4 Henry's birth (http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/certapp.php?type=births&data=JOLLEY%7cHenry%7cHindley%7cWigan%20%26%20Leigh%7c1860%7c1860%7c%7cWN%3aHNDL%2f22%2f369%7cJ%7c38608%7clancashire%7cWN%7c&lang=)
It is a bit of a catch 22, you can't prove he is illegitimate with out a birth certificate and you can't prove which is the correct birth without parents names :(
Migky ;)
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Hi Migky,
Thanks for all that info. No birth or birth certificate. We know he was called Harry, but is listed in a few Census docs as Henry. We have not found a birth or birth certificate, just marriage certificate for him. Funny that he wouldn't list his dad though.
You're right, that could be him. Hard to know as there were a lot of Jolley's in and around Wigan working in the mines. Could be worth me ordering the certificate do you think - just in case?
It's quite tricky really because I have certainly found a few discrepancies with people's right names, right spelling and right year of birth in all the records I've searched for my genealogy.
::)
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I have been in touch with Liz Sykes from the Together Trust, I just would like to say a very big thank you to her, she couldn't have helped me anymore, I'm so greatfull for the information she gave me. Thank you Joanne. :)
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I too had great help from Toby in the past for my gt grandmother and her siblings from 1896 for a few years!
I am now wondering where the records for Culceth cottage homes might be? Were they under the auspices of the Leonard Shaw or another benefactor - or... which Poor Law Union would they have come under?
And if the house mother adopted a little girl, where might the records be?
Many thanks
Fiona
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I was directed to this page after asking for info on above
I found a relative for one of my family trees
1901 census inmate north manchester boys and girls refuges and childrens aid society age 17 noted to be a firewood chopper
after looking at all the other posts i tried
http://www.togethertrust.org.uk/togethertrust/archive_research.php?area=togethertrust&s1=6 to look for the contact archivist at the time Liz Sykes but could not see anything
just wondered if this was still available
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Hi Kaz1056,
Try sending Liz a personal message - she was online in November so is likely to pick it up even if she doesn't see your post here.
Jean
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Hi Migky
George Müller founded a faith-based orphanage in Bristol in 1834 - he made no appeals or advertising, but relied solely on God, through prayer, to meet the needs of the orphanage.
During his lifetime (he died in 1898), he cared for over 10,000 "full" orphans (ie children who had lost both parents or, in a couple of rare cases, one had died but the other was in a mental home with no hope of recovery). From 1901 until the homes closed in the mid-1980s, "partial" orphans were also admitted.
The George Müller Charitable Trust holds the records for all the children who passed through the doors of the orphanages (Müller's own house plus three other rented houses in Wilson Street, from 1834 - 1849, then five purpose-built homes on Ashley Down to the early 1950s, and then to smaller "family" units until we stopped residential care in the 80s).
There are admission registers showing the detail of the child's admission, dismissal registers (cross-referred to the admission registers) for all but the last few years, showing when the child left and where they went, plus files containing assorted paperwork relating to the admission. We don't know what is in each file until it has been retrieved from the archive, but sometimes there are marriage and death certificates relating to the parents, and birth certificates for the child(ren).
For descendants, we do have to make a charge for copying these. Visitors are welcome, but we do ask for a fortnight's notice and we have to charge £20 access fee - but this includes a copy of the admission and dismissal registers. A copy of the file will cost an additional £30.
There is also a small museum at the Trust's HQ in Cotham Park, Bristol.
Contact details are on www.mullers.org.
Regards
Alan
Since that post, we have changed our charging structure.
A visit to the museum to view the records now costs £5.
If copies are desired, we charge £15 for a CD with the records as .JPG images, £25 for paper copies, or £35 for both.