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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: Toronto on Friday 13 February 09 02:01 GMT (UK)
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I am interested in the family name JUDGE. A member of my family named Bernard JUDGE born 1847. Bernard's sister Bridget JUDGE was born in 1833, she was my great great grandmother. Their fathers name was William Judge he was a Laborer. This was on Bridget's wedding certificate in Salford , Lancashire.
The 1881 census for Hulme, Manchester, England lists Bernard as 34 years old and born in Longford, Roscommon Co. Ireland.
Longford was located in Roscommon as being 394 acres in size, (A square mile equals 640 acres) Baroney Castlereagh. Civil Parish Kilkeevin, Province Connaught.
The average-sized townland of Longford lies immediately to the south and southeast of the town of Castlerea, up to and including the Castlerea railway station. Longford is in Kilkeevin civil parish and Castlerea RC parish. I am told that Longford was smaller than a football field. Please would anyone know anything about Longford . Even better.......... have you come across the name Judge in that area?
My thanks for any help you might be able to give me.
All my best in your own search.
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada.
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Hi Mike,
Griffiths Valuation - Roscommon 1857-58 doesn't list any families named Judge at Kilkeevin
www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/roscommon/kilkeevin.php
Christopher
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Hi and thank you Christopher,
The ages of my relatives show they were born before the recod date you sent me. Bridet was born 1833 Brother Bernard was born in 1847.
The fact he was born in Longford was based on a census records in Salford Lancashire, England.
All my best
Mike
Toronto Canada
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Hi, my name is Victoria Gottfreund (nee Judge) Bernard Judge was my dad's father (born 1908) and Bernard Judge born 1947 was my dad's great grandad. Hi have just found this part of my family tree today. I found a list from Irish Times of all the Judges that lived in Longford Ireland and there are 11 spread over the very small parishes there. I am going to do more research. I would like to share info with you. Regards Vickie my email is (*).
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Hi Victoria,
I have sent you a personal message along with my e-mail address.
Bernard was from Longford in Roscommon. I gather this place was as big as a football pitch :)) I got this from a census record in England.
Hope to see mail from you
Michael/Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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A good site for research in Roscommon
http://roscommon.brsgenealogy.com/quis.php?page=0&prevStartQuery=0
Ger
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Hi Victoria,
I was hoping you might check your messages. I dont have your e-mail address, I was looking forward to finding out what you might have thats different to my own Roscommon JUDGE family.
I have sent you a personal message along with my e-mail address.
Kind regards
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Does anyone know anything about Longford in Roscommon? I gather its a very small area, possibly as big as a football pitch.
I have in a British census record a Bernard JUDGE who was born there.
All my best
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Does anyone know anything about Longford in Roscommon? I gather its a very small area, possibly as big as a football pitch.
I have in a British census record a Bernard JUDGE who was born there.
All my best
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
from the townland database at www.thecore.com/seanruad
Townland: Longford
Acres: 394
County: Roscommon
Barony: Castlereagh
Civil Parish: Kilkeevin
PLU (registration disrict): Castlereagh
Shane
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Many thanks for the reply Shane, its sure appreciated.
This sorts out any confusiuon between the county of Longford and this small place in Roscommon. I hope there might be some list members researching in this area ?
All my best
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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What a disappointment, Someone replies as a possible relative, then narrah!! a peep from them. Now I wonder if they knew I had tried my best to contact them?
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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For details of Longford townland visit:
http://www.roscommonhistory.ie/People/JohnHunter/Index2.pdf
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http://www.roscommonhistory.ie/People/JohnHunter/Notes.pdf
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For a map of Kilkeevan Civil parish visit
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/MAPS/kilkeevin.html
John
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Hi, I'm a working mum of three so I'm not on the internet very often, I've only just checked my emails.
I'm not really sure I have any more info than you do on the Irish connection. Only my family tree of Judges I've done on Ancestry your welcome to have any info. I just have a map that shows 11 Judges but no forenames or addresses spread over the Roscommon area. I had to pay for that from the Irish Times web site and to get more info you have to pay about 25 euros. I'm hoping to go to Ireland in the new year to look for info as there isn't alot about. My auntie who was also a Judge has the family tree and I'm hoping to get some info from her but she said she hasn't researched Ireland yet, just as far as Bernard from Longford. If I could get his birth cert if they did them then I think that would help. Don't give up on me just been busy.
vgottfreund
I'm on yahoo ;)
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Hi Victoria,
thank you for replying,
I would like to get in touch with you to share the information I have on the JUDGE family. I have Bernard as a young fellow living with his sister Bridget in Salford.
I don't know how to track you down using Hotmail. But please look at this site and you will see a section you click on to send a personal message. That way you can send me your e-mail address. Mind you I have sent you a personal message through this area and now wonder if you have received it?
I shall try again and send you my e-mail address.
All my best
Mike Morris
Tortonto Canada ex Manchester, England
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Hi Victoria,
I tried all combinations to track you down via Hotmail and Yahoo................ no success though :'(
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Hello John,
I dont think I sent you my thanks for your reply. Sorry for the delay, it just slipped my mind :(( But thank you for your assistance , you were a great help. I think perhaps my new found cousin is researching in the wrong Longford area. The correct one is the one shown in your map which is in Roscommon.
All my best
Merry Christmas
Mike Morris
Toronto Cnada
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Hello Mike Morris:
My ancestor, James Kelly (ca.1825-1889), is from Roscommon, Ire. In the writing desk of his granddaughter, my grandmother, was photo marked "Aileen [hard to read?] Fitzgerald, 1861" Dublin. For 30 years, I have been unable to connect this with anyone. However, I recently found an Alicia Judge, born in Roscommon, who died in Sarotoga Springs, NY (1866-1927). Her father was Michale Judge, mother: Catherine Fitzgerald, both born in Roscommon. Other death records from the Burke Funeral Home, indicated a Daniel Harrington, monument dealer, moved from East Dorset, VT to Saratoga Spring about 1870, where he married Margaret Fitzgerald. My James Kelly came with many other form Roscommon to East Dorset, VT before 1860. He was a marble quarry worker. There is some indication that a first wife may have died before he came to VT, and that he may have come through Canada. Recently, a family tree was found for Thompson/Scally of Roscommon and "County Longford." It connects to my James Kelly, and I am thinking that it could have confused the county of Longford with the town in Rosc. If you would like to compare notes, please write.
RogerWL
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Hi Roger,
many thanks for taking the time to write, I did appreciate your mail.
Unfortunately, I cannot make a connection other than the census records in England said my relatives came from Longford in Roscommon.
They were my GG-Grandmother Bridget Judge B1833 and her brother Bernard B1847. Their fathers name was William, I found his name on Bridget's wedding certificate in England, he was a Labourer. I don't have their mothers name. Both were deceased at the time of Bridget's marriage to John Spencer in Manchester, England. Bernard had two children he named William and Elizabeth. I am hoping that Elizabeth was Bernards mothers name.
Here's wishing you lots of success in your research. Its hard searching in Ireland and you are the first to respond to me with a Judge name from Roscommon.
My thanks and regards
Mike Morris (My family name in Ireland was Fitzmorris)
Toronto Canada
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Was interested in the Surname " Judge" I have a few BUT not from Roscommon. The Surname Breheny/ is Irish for Judge so it's worth looking at the Surname Breheny/ Lep
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Many thanks for your contribution, I shall keep the Breheny name in my research.
All my best
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Hi Mike:
I actually thought some of your Judges might have come to Saratoga from Canada.
By any chance do you still have access to the census material in
Hulme, Manchester, England?
There is a gap in the presence of my James Kelly of Roscommon. If he turned up near Manchester, it could be telling for you as well as me.
Thanks for your consideration.
Yours truly,
Roger
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Hello
I have seen you posts several times but tonight noticed the Judge family name - Bridget Judge and John Spencer are my dad's grandparents - My dad's name was also John and he was born in 1909 in Thomas Street, Gorton. His mum and dad were Robert Spencer and Elizabeth Ann Courtney they married in Sept 1898. It looks like Thomas Spencer married Mary Donigan - she was born in County Kildare - on the 1851 Salford census she was 41 years old. Thomas and Mary were my dad's great grandparents. It would be lovely to hear if you have any more news. My dad always told me the story that his mum was working down the coal mines at 7/9 years of age and that one of her sons used to help her clean the St. francis Gorton school when she was widowed because the ends of her fingers used to crack and bleed badly. So far it has proved impossible to find any records of her working down the mines. bye Mary Spencer
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Hi Mary,
your response to me is a lovely Christmas present. For sure we are related. Thomas and Mary are my three times great grand parents. You can contact me at *
I live in Toronto Canada but lived in England till 1963 when we left to come to Canada, my dads side of the family are Spencer's, my grandmother Emma Spencer would have been brought up in the Gorton area.
Hopefully you have a Family tree program, I would like to share with you what I have found. Such as Thomas's parents and his grandparents. Our family were even mentioned in an early form of census taking known as the papist Returns.
Hope to hear from you soon.
All my best
Mike(*)
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HELLO THANK YOU FOR REPLYING SO QUICKLY, JUST DECIDED TO HAVE ONE LAST LOOK BEFORE GOING TO BED. ANOTHER MARRIAGE SHOWS FOR THOMAS SPENCER SHOWS A MARY DUNAKIN IN OLD GLOSSOP CHURCH RECORDS, 29TH AUGUST 1831 BUT THIS COULD BE A MISTAKE AND IT COULD BE PAUL SPENCER'S WIFE
MY SEARCHING HAS ONLY RECENTLY STARTED SO NOT VERY MUCH TO OFFER YOU AT PRESENT IT LOOKS AS IF MARY AND THOMAS LIVED IN AGENORIAN BUILDINGS, ARDWICK IN THE 1841 ARDWICK CENSUS AND ORDSALL LANE, SALFORD IN THE 1851 CENSUS. WE ARE GOING TO MANCHESTER AFTER CHRISTMAS AND HOPE TO VISIT MOSTON CEMETERY, TO TRY AND FIND SOME OF THE FAMILY GRAVES. WENT THERE WITH MY DAD TOO MANY YEARS AGO TO COUNT BUT CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT THE PLOT NUMBERS WERE. BYE FOR NOW MCS
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Its possible you know the following family or they are your family. Angela use to contact me on a regular basis. My records take me back to around 1750 on our Spencer family. I know where Thomas's parents are buried near New Mills. Also that two of their sons set off for America around 1862, one was also named Robert. I am in contact with a Great Grand Daughter from this line in the USA.
The following is what Angela from Gorton sent me.
Mike :))
Robert Spencer married 1875 Elizabeth Courtney
Children
1900 Clare Spencer Gorton, Manchester
1906 Francis Spencer Gorton, Manchester
???? Joseph Spencer Gorton, Manchester
???? John Spencer Gorton, Manchester
???? Winifred Spencer Gorton, Manchester
as of 1901 census they were living at 92 Taylor street, Gorton, Manchester
Robert was a foundry labourer.
1906 Francis Spencer (from above) m 1906 Catherine Moran
Children - Denton, Manchester
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