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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: fiona g on Saturday 28 November 09 16:01 GMT (UK)
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Hi
request for 1861/71 census look up(s) please for
Walter Guthrie/Guthry,his wife Margaret and any family, most probably living at "Drummlochy",Lower Largo. Walter's occupation was a Sailor in 1859.
thank you for any help.
Fiona
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Hi
1861 Census - Have found a Walter Guthrie and Wife Margaret staying at Largo, Fife with five of their family Johan 29 (John in 1851 census) Ann aged 16, Jane 14 (Jean in 1851 census) Robert 12, and Janet 1.
His occupation is given as Cramar (mer Cervil) have still to look for the 1871 census.
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Hi weemanswife
thank you for 1861 census details. Walter and Margaret had a family of 12 some died young then others emigrated to NZ. I am trying to establish when the "others" emigrated. John,Ann,Robert all emigrated but now know they were still in Largo 1861,unsure if Jean/Jane emigrated. Can I ask if Johns occ was given in the census and confirm if there was a Jane 14 and Janet 1 on 1861 census.
many thanks for your assistance.
Fiona
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Hi
According to the 1861 census on Ancestry.co.uk Jane Guthrie is aged 14, and Janet is aged 10.
In the 1851 census there are 9 children in 1861 there are 5 children. I'm away back to have a look at the occupation of John
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again thanks
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In 1851 John's occupation is given as a weaver, Helen is a House Servant and 13 year old Henry is a sailor.
Best of Luck
weemanswife
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thank you
Fiona
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Hi
Had to get back to you. Went back to the 1861 census Johan Guthrie aged 29 is listed as a daughter and is a dressmaker. There is no John bu in the 41 and 51 census there is a John and no Johan.
You will maybe know which one is correct. You cannot always depend on Ancestry to have it correct. You might have to go to Scotlandspeoples website.
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glad you got back to me,thank you for clearing that up.
I have just put a post up on the Occupations Board,for the occ of Cramar (mer cervil),I have racked my brain and hubbies also, but we cannot think what type of occ that was, any ideas
Fiona
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I have just put a post up on the Occupations Board,for the occ of Cramar (mer cervil),I have racked my brain and hubbies also, but we cannot think what type of occ that was, any ideas
Fiona ... you obviously got this occupation from A*******.co.uk who, I've found, are notorious for just copying down what words looks like on the Census Register page(s) ;)
I think you'll find is should read "Seaman (Mer Service) ... 'Mer' being the abreviation for 'Merchant'
Regards :)
Chiad Fhear
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Hi Chiad Fhear :)
After a request for a census look up,as I do not have an A.sub,a kind Rootschatter posted census info for me with the info containing occ as Cramar (mer Cervil),presumably from A*. With the help of other Rootschatters now found occ of a Cramer as being a stall holder/pedlar. I agree and had thought myself "mer cervil" as being Merchant Service and as my ancestor in1859 (on his sons marriage record) occ was given as Sailor think Merchant Service is correct,occ on his death record 1876 as Vintner. I think Cramer is highly likely as ancestor lived in a fishing village and would have all from the sea to sell, not so sure about a Cramer being in the Merchant Service though :). Have you seen the census and it looks like Seaman to you.
Fiona
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Hi again Fiona
No, I haven't seen the actual Census - but having looked at umpteen A* 'offerings' I've found quite a number of them to be 'questionable' - but if you could scan and upload the section where his occupation is shown, then it would be easier to help you.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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wish I could but alas I do not have A* sub,info was from a request I asked for, a look up for the 1861/71 census. I think it does make sense in what you are suggesting occ as Seaman given Walter was a Sailor in 1859 but since the word Cramer has been mentioned that also could make sense given Largo was a fishing village,although I had never heard of a Cramer before and now knowing the meaning, it is feasible. Would love to know the answer
Fiona
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Hi Fiona
This is your lucky day :) St Andrews University has a full Fife Census collection on microfilm so I popped in earlier and got a copy of the page in question from 1861
My theory about A* was correct ;) as you'll see from the enlarged secton of the page (attached here)
Interestingly there were a number of Guthrie families in the same Enumeration District as Walter and family and the 'Head' was mainly shown as 'Fisherman'. One was a 'Weaver'.
Hope this answers your question
Regards
Chiad Fhear
PS I will send the full page to you by PM
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many thanks Chaid Fhear for 1861 census with occ as Seaman Merchant Service.
Fiona
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Glad to have been able to help you Fiona :)
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Hi Don :)
Welcome to Rootschat
any particular Guthrie family from Largo you are interested in ?
Fiona
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Hi Fiona,
My great grandfather Henry was born in Largo in 1837. I have some of the family tree back from there to Walter (b 1807) and Henry (b.1781) m Elizabeth Lundy. Nothing prior to that though. I have some information on Henry (b.1837) and descendents that was given to me by a family member who researched it all some years ago that I could share - or maybe this will all be recorded here already?
Sorry for the numpty questions but I'm completely new to all this - is there a database of Guthries somewhere I could view or download? I just tripped across this forum in a Google search, haven't explored the rest of it yet...
Cheers
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Hiya Don
I am happy to share also.
As a starting point to see if this helps
G/g/parents.Henry G married Isabella Graham 23 Mar 1866 Dunedin
they had 9children - I have all BMDs also a lot of other info
Henrys parents
2xG/parents.Walter G m Margaret White
they had 12 children - I have all BMDs
Walters parents
3xG/parents.Henry G m Elizabeth Lundie
they had 5 children - I have all BMDs
Henrys parents
4xG/parents.Walter G m Elizabeth Davidson
they had 7 children - I have all births
Walters parents
5xG/parents.Robert G m Janet Eason/Esson
they had 7 children
Roberts parents
6xG/Parents.James Guthry m Margaret Brown
2 children found
Roberts parents
7xG/parents.John Gutry m Margaret ?
1 child found (James)
Fiona
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Thank you for that - how do you go about sharing the details? Is there a common program or file format people use for this?
Cheers
Don
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Hi Fiona
just wondering if you would had any info on the children that came out to New Zealand ( busy trying to peice together my Grandmothers Birth Family while in lockdown)
I know she was connected to Walter Guthrie who owned alot of businesses in Dunedin Otago but i think her may have been her grandfather ( her father had left his first wife but unable to divorce and nana was the result to his next relationship with a lady called Mary Canty )
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Hi Kelcgare,
Who did you think was your Nanas father ? You didn't type the father's name.
It's ages since I've looked at the Guthrie tree so my memory is a bit rusty.
Is it info pre NZ about the children that came from Fife that your hoping to find. Off the top of my head, I think there was 2 brothers and a sister but will check.
Fiona
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Hi Fiona
I have had a good few days doing some research and found most of the information , my mum also dug in the paper files at home and got alot of guthrie history that nana was given before she passed . My nanas Father was William Ernest Guthrie , his father was Walter Guthrie who came to nz from Scotland . Very hard to trace my nanas history when she had 3 different surnames by the time she was 7 but luckily I found the papers that fully documented her life and her birth parents families so that gives me somthing to work on through isolation!
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I'm pleased you found the information you were looking for. Good luck in your further research.
Fiona