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Title: COMPLETE 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Saturday 28 November 09 16:01 GMT (UK)
Hi

request for 1861/71 census look up(s) please for

Walter Guthrie/Guthry,his wife Margaret and any family, most probably living at "Drummlochy",Lower Largo. Walter's occupation was a Sailor in 1859.
thank you for any help.

Fiona
Title: Re: 1861/71 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: weemanswife on Saturday 28 November 09 16:27 GMT (UK)
Hi

    1861 Census - Have found a Walter Guthrie and Wife Margaret staying at Largo, Fife with  five of their family  Johan 29 (John in 1851 census) Ann aged 16, Jane 14 (Jean in 1851 census) Robert 12, and Janet 1.

     His occupation is given as Cramar (mer Cervil) have still to look for the 1871 census.

     
Title: Re: 1861/71 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Saturday 28 November 09 16:50 GMT (UK)
Hi weemanswife

thank you for 1861 census details. Walter and Margaret had a family of 12 some died young then others emigrated to NZ. I am trying to establish when the "others" emigrated. John,Ann,Robert  all emigrated but now know they were still in Largo 1861,unsure if Jean/Jane emigrated. Can I ask if Johns occ was given in the census and confirm if there was a Jane 14 and Janet 1 on 1861 census.
many thanks for your assistance.

Fiona
Title: Re: 1861/71 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: weemanswife on Saturday 28 November 09 17:13 GMT (UK)
Hi

       According to the 1861 census on Ancestry.co.uk Jane Guthrie is aged 14, and Janet is aged 10.
In the 1851 census there are 9 children in 1861 there are 5 children.  I'm away back to have a look at the occupation of John
Title: Re: 1861/71 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Saturday 28 November 09 17:17 GMT (UK)
again thanks
Title: Re: 1861/71 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: weemanswife on Saturday 28 November 09 17:23 GMT (UK)
In 1851 John's occupation is given as a weaver, Helen is a House Servant and 13 year old Henry is a sailor.

Best of Luck
weemanswife
Title: Re: 1861/71 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Saturday 28 November 09 17:25 GMT (UK)
thank you

Fiona
Title: Re: 1861/71 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: weemanswife on Saturday 28 November 09 17:39 GMT (UK)
Hi

     Had to get back to you.  Went back to the 1861 census Johan Guthrie aged 29 is listed as  a daughter and is a dressmaker.  There is no John bu in the 41 and 51 census there is a John and no Johan.

     You will maybe know which one is correct.  You cannot always depend on Ancestry to have it correct.  You might have to go to Scotlandspeoples website.

     
Title: Re: 1861/71 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Saturday 28 November 09 17:46 GMT (UK)
glad you got back to me,thank you for clearing that up.
I have just put a post up on the Occupations Board,for the occ of Cramar (mer cervil),I have racked my brain and hubbies also, but we cannot think what type of occ that was, any ideas

Fiona
Title: Re: 1861/71 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Monday 30 November 09 15:59 GMT (UK)
I have just put a post up on the Occupations Board,for the occ of Cramar (mer cervil),I have racked my brain and hubbies also, but we cannot think what type of occ that was, any ideas

Fiona ... you obviously got this occupation from A*******.co.uk who, I've found, are notorious for just copying down what words looks like on the Census Register page(s)  ;)

I think you'll find is should read "Seaman (Mer Service) ... 'Mer' being the abreviation for 'Merchant'

Regards  :)

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Monday 30 November 09 20:14 GMT (UK)
Hi Chiad Fhear :)

After a request for a census look up,as I do not have an A.sub,a kind Rootschatter posted census info for me with the info containing occ as Cramar (mer Cervil),presumably from A*. With the help of other Rootschatters now found occ of a Cramer as being a stall holder/pedlar. I agree and had thought myself "mer cervil" as being Merchant Service and as my ancestor in1859 (on his sons marriage record) occ was given as Sailor think Merchant Service is correct,occ on his death record 1876 as Vintner. I think Cramer is highly likely as ancestor lived in a fishing village and would have all from the sea to sell, not so sure about a Cramer being in the Merchant Service though :). Have you seen the census and it looks like Seaman to you.

Fiona
Title: Re: 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Monday 30 November 09 21:50 GMT (UK)
Hi again Fiona

No, I haven't seen the actual Census - but having looked at umpteen A* 'offerings' I've found quite a number of them to be 'questionable' - but if you could scan and upload the section where his occupation is shown, then it would be easier to help you.

Regards

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Monday 30 November 09 22:04 GMT (UK)
wish I could but alas I do not have A* sub,info was from a request I asked for, a look up for the 1861/71 census. I think it does make sense in what you are suggesting occ as Seaman given Walter was a Sailor in 1859 but since the word Cramer has been mentioned that also could make sense given Largo was a fishing village,although I had never heard of a Cramer before and now knowing the meaning, it is feasible. Would  love to know the answer

Fiona
Title: Re: 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Tuesday 01 December 09 13:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Fiona

This is your lucky day :)  St Andrews University has a full Fife Census collection on microfilm so I popped in earlier and got a copy of the page in question from 1861

My theory about A* was correct ;) as you'll see from the enlarged secton of the page (attached here)

Interestingly there were a number of Guthrie families in the same Enumeration District as Walter and family and the 'Head' was mainly shown as 'Fisherman'.  One was a 'Weaver'.

Hope this answers your question

Regards

Chiad Fhear

PS  I will send the full page to you by PM
Title: Re: 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Tuesday 01 December 09 17:10 GMT (UK)
many thanks Chaid Fhear for 1861 census with occ as Seaman Merchant Service.

Fiona
Title: Re: COMPLETE 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Tuesday 01 December 09 18:58 GMT (UK)
Glad to have been able to help you Fiona :)

Regards

Chiad Fhear
Title: GUTHRIE - Largo
Post by: fiona g on Tuesday 20 July 10 09:00 BST (UK)
Hi Don :)

Welcome to Rootschat

any particular Guthrie family from Largo you are interested in ?

Fiona
Title: Re: COMPLETE 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: Hautere Don on Tuesday 20 July 10 11:13 BST (UK)
Hi Fiona,

My great grandfather Henry was born in Largo in 1837. I have some of the family tree back from there to Walter (b 1807) and Henry (b.1781) m Elizabeth Lundy. Nothing prior to that though. I have some information on Henry (b.1837) and descendents that was given to me by a family member who researched it all some years ago that I could share - or maybe this will all be recorded here already?

Sorry for the numpty questions but I'm completely new to all this - is there a database of Guthries somewhere I could view or download? I just tripped across this forum in a Google search, haven't explored the rest of it yet...

Cheers


Title: Re: COMPLETE 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Tuesday 20 July 10 11:42 BST (UK)
Hiya Don

I am happy to share also.
As a starting point to see if this helps


G/g/parents.Henry G married Isabella Graham 23 Mar 1866 Dunedin
they had 9children - I have all BMDs also a lot of other info

Henrys parents
2xG/parents.Walter G m Margaret White
they had 12 children - I have all BMDs

Walters parents
3xG/parents.Henry G  m Elizabeth Lundie
they had 5 children - I have all BMDs

Henrys parents
4xG/parents.Walter G m Elizabeth Davidson
they had 7 children - I have all births

Walters parents
5xG/parents.Robert G m Janet Eason/Esson
they had 7 children

Roberts parents
6xG/Parents.James Guthry m Margaret Brown
2 children found

Roberts parents
7xG/parents.John Gutry m Margaret ?
1 child found (James)

Fiona
Title: Re: COMPLETE 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: Hautere Don on Tuesday 20 July 10 21:04 BST (UK)
Thank you for that - how do you go about sharing the details? Is there a common program or file format people use for this?

Cheers
Don
Title: Re: COMPLETE 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: Kelcgare on Sunday 05 April 20 05:12 BST (UK)
Hi Fiona
just wondering if you would had any info on the children that came out to New Zealand ( busy trying to peice together my Grandmothers Birth Family while in lockdown)

I know she was connected to Walter Guthrie  who owned alot of businesses in Dunedin Otago but i think her may have been her grandfather  ( her father had left his first wife but unable to divorce  and nana was the result to his next relationship with a lady called Mary Canty )
Title: Re: COMPLETE 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Thursday 09 April 20 10:37 BST (UK)
Hi Kelcgare,

Who did you think was your Nanas father ? You didn't type the father's name.

It's ages since I've looked at the Guthrie tree so my memory is a bit rusty.
Is it info pre NZ about the children that came from Fife that your hoping to find. Off the top of my head, I think there was 2 brothers and a sister but will check.

Fiona
Title: Re: COMPLETE 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: Kelcgare on Thursday 09 April 20 12:36 BST (UK)
Hi Fiona

I have had a good few days doing some research and found most of the information , my mum also dug in the paper files at home and got alot of guthrie history that nana was given before she passed . My nanas Father was William Ernest Guthrie , his father was Walter Guthrie who came to nz from Scotland  . Very hard to trace my nanas history when she had 3 different surnames by the time she was 7 but luckily I found the papers that fully documented her life and her birth parents families so that gives me somthing to work on through isolation!
Title: Re: COMPLETE 1871 census look up - GUTHRIE
Post by: fiona g on Thursday 09 April 20 12:40 BST (UK)
I'm pleased you found the information you were looking for. Good luck in your further research.

Fiona