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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Truebrit on Thursday 26 November 09 23:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I wondered whether someone may be able to take a photo for me of the following family grave at Rock Church Cemetary, Nottingham, assuming that there is a headstone!
William Whittley - died 24th April 1874
Lavinia Sarah Whittley - died 09th April 1879
Also buried with Arthur Sulley Whittley and Hannah Whittley
Grave no 1369 - Rock Church Cemetary, Nottingham
I'm not sure how easy it would be to find although i'm hoping someone may be able to help.
Thanks in advance
TB
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Hi i went a walk round this Cemetary in September and took some photos of outstanding grave stones ,(monuments) its not going to be easy because its quite full , there is paths to walk on but not among the graves ,
It would make it easier if you knew they had a grave stone , and which section ,
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Hi
Thank-you for your message.
Unfortunately i am not familiar at all with this graveyard as i live outside of the area. Does someone have a plan or a resource to identify the location from the grave no 1369 to assist me?
Thanks in advance.
TB
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Hi,
Notts family history society will be bringing out a CD of all the Rock gravestone in the near future, so that should help you find out if in fact there is a gravestone, it should also pinpoint where in the grave yard it is. The grave yard is huge, and as SKy1 pointed out, near impossible just to stumble across the one needed!
Best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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Thanks for the note.
I had tried the Council previously to see if they could help as i had the grave number - but not surprisingly they were not inclined to help.
I can't believe that they don't have a grave plan....
Hopefully someone will be able to help soon when that reference cd is released.
Regards
TB
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The Councils are generally a bit vague because they seem to have inherited grave yards as they have become full.
The original owners of many grave yards were private companies, who were in it to make a good business. Once the grave yard is full their interest seems to fade, and then the councils are more or less in a position of no option, they have had to take over the up keep, but consequently the records are not what they should be.
The Rock for instance has had so many later graves squeezed in between the earlier original burials - it is chaotic to put it mildly!
Best wishes,
Copperbeech5
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There may well be no gravestone. I have family members buried there, and after a personal visit by a close relative, a small wooden cross was placed at the burial site so tht he could photograph it.
This web site may be of some help: http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/findfamily.php?name=whittley
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Thanks all
It would seem that at present there is no easy solution.
I believe that there may be a stone in this instance as whilst the family were not particulaly well off they did appear to have some money. The last person to be interred was in 1922 so i am hoping that any outstanding details on a marker may have been 'topped up' at that time, unless a marker was already present.
Looks like we will have to wait for the monumental inscriptions CD. Hope it is not too long coming!
REgards
TB
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Hi Truebrit,
One of my ancestors is buried there - and his grave number is 1989. I found him in the Laburnham section of the cemetary.
I dont know whether this will help you!!?
A plan is available of the different sections on the link below!
http://webspace.webring.com/people/mw/whittakergen_notts/notts/cems/rockcem.htm
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Thanks for that.
I am not familiar with the graveyard but i am sure that will help if i am able to identify the likely area. It will no doubt help other people too!
Do you recall if the graves are numbered? I think that spaces in the graveyard has been revisited and filled over the years so the numbering may not end up to be straight forward.
I am looking forward to the monumental inscription disk to see if that identifies a grave location through hopefully a gravestone marker!
Regards
TB
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The gravestones [well the majority that I looked at] had numbers on the back of them. I wasnt sure what they were, but when I checked the interment details I had found at the archives, they corresponded with the numbers.
Although I knew the area of the graveyard that the graves were in, I managed to know that I was heading in the right direction by the grave numbers!! Of course [as you know, cos you have visited] the grave is very closely packed with graves - so I am not sure whether each 'section' has its own numbering or not. I managed to find the first grave and which section it was in, through my local library - one of the names I was looking for was within the index cards - one of them was a casualty of WW1!!
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Did you library help you to identify which section it was in?
I have not visited the cemetary as i live out of the area although reports from other Rootschat people have indicated that i am unlikely to just stumble on it.
I am fairly confident that the grave will have a marker though. So i am hoping that i will be able to direct someone to the general location sometime soon (probably when that disk comes out!) and your map is likely to prove invaluable when ive identified the site!
Regards
TB
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One of the references on the index card was a book of memorials in the graveyard - I cannot now remember whether it was specifically for WW1 casualties or not. However, I it was a lucky find - as I had been searching for his father's grave for some time around the area where he lived, without success!!!
I am doing very little tomorrow, so I will dig out my records. I must have copied down [somewhere] exactly what the book was!!
However, whilst I was searching for the grave - I discovered that of another relative! My husband spotted it and I took a picture - never believing that it could be THE ONE!! When I checked at the archives, it was indeed the correct relative, his sons paid for the grave, and him, his wife and his daughter were all buried there!!
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Many thanks
Any more pointers may help to focus the area of search!
Kind regards
TB
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Sorry - didnt fully answer your question - yes, the book told me which section the grave was in.
The other grave I was looking for - I found an obituary in the local paper, which told me the date of death and place of buriel. I then looked this up at the archives and found the grave number - and also the section in which the grave was located. I assume from the 3 graves I have found their, that the interment details always give the section also.
I will find the other grave numbers I have managed to get, tomorrow, and see what they can tell.
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Hi Truebrit,
Right I have found the grave details!
One family is buried in grave number 1707 - the first burial taking place in 1877.
One family is buried in grave number 1989 - the first burial taking place in 1879
Both in the Laburnum section of the cemetery.
I think that this would fit [number-wise] with your grave number 1369 - first burial being 1874.
Another family is buried in the 'M' section [which turned out to be the section 'church back' on the plan you have seen - dont ask for logic on this!] and their grave number is 6625 - first burial in 1906
I have no knowledge of the rest of the graveyard - but going on numbers and dates - I would say that it is a fair bet that your grave is in the Laburnum section?
Hope this is helpful!
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Thanks for these details. I feel like i'm getting closer.
If anyone is able to help me by way of these i'd be very grateful.
Kind regards and happy new year.
TB
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Did you manage to locate the grave you were looking for?
Elaine
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Hi Elaine
I made a quick detour there a few weeks back and whilst i hunted i did not find it (i only had 20 mins though!). I think it may be in the Beach section, next to the steps off the path and the Laburnam section, as i found a grave stone with a number that was very close. However, i could not work out which direction the graves were numbered sadly! There was a face down grave nearby, which could have been it - but sadly i just don't know.
Thanks for asking and if anyone can spot it or confirm its position i'd be greatful!
Regards
TB