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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: irene33 on Wednesday 25 November 09 17:21 GMT (UK)
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Hello Everyone
I am trying to find decendents of my Grandmothers siblings. Information about her father John Edward Jones has been like a brickwall (he was born about 1872). Trying trace him back has been a nightmare. So I am trying another route. I do know some of Barbara's siblings lived in Yorkshire, Huddersfield area and Wakefield.
I live in Canada and I would like to get in touch with them or maybe someone who has them on their tree, this may help with my brickwall
My Grandmother was Barbara Jones born 1895 in Easington, Durham. Her siblings are:
John Jones - 1898
William - 1900
Katherine - 1902 (she died early but had a daughter call Frances )
Elizabeth - 1908
Mark - 1909 (married Elizabeth Nicholson in Easington)
Frances - 1912 (died a couple of years ago in Huddersfield)
Nicholas - 1918 (he died about 5 years ago in Wakefield I think)
If anyone can help I would appreciate it OR guide me to a another site that can help.
Thanks...Irene33 ???
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Hi Irene,
I grew up, actually a little town in between the two called Mirfield, near Huddersfield. I live in London UK and im heading 'up North' the 11-13th December if u like i can be your 'girl on the ground'....
let me know if there is anything u would like to find/photograph for you.
Esther
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Hi Irene,
They seem to have moved around a bit have found them on 1901 living Oswesty Shropshire
JONES John Edward 1874 born Parish Churk Green Wales
JONES
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the children seem to have been born in different places -and there are more children than have been listed
back in a mo
Suz
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Sorry pushed the wrong button
JONES Elizaberth 1875 wife Thornley Durham
JONES Barbara 1896 daughter
JONES John 1898 son
JONES William 1900 son born Pendlebury Lancs
There is also a sister at the same address a Francis A MADDISON 1889 Thornley
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Barbara and John's birth reg's are in Easington district - Thornley comes within that district
William c. 1900 Pendlbury Lancs
Mary Kathaleen(or katharine?) c.1902 Churk Green Wales
Albert c. 1906 Shotton Collieries Durham
Elizabeth c.1908 Haswell Durham
Mark c 1909 Horden Collieries Durham
by 1911 they had 8 childrenbut only 7 living
Suz
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And this could be John E with his parents in 1891
JONES, David Head 1840 Retired Coal Miner Hanarel Flintshire
JONES, Jane Wife 1833 Wales
JONES, Jane E Daughter 1866 Cotton Reeler Wales
JONES, Harriet Daughter 1867 Farnworth
Lancashire
JONES, David M Son 1872 Coal Miner Wales
JONES, Margaret E Daughter 1873 Card Tenter In Cotton Mill Wales
JONES, John E Son 1874 Coal Miner Wales
JONES, Richard Son 1879 Wales
WILLIAMS, Peter Lodger 1864 Coal Miner Wales
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Address: 31, Common Lane, Tyldesley
County: Lancashire
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and this could be Elizabeth before she married John
Address: Water Street, Thornley
County: Durham
MADDISON, Mark Head 1849 Fireman In Coal Mine Co Durham Pittington
MADDISON, Mary Wife 1856 Co Durham Pittington
MADDISON, Elizabeth 1875 ThornbyCo Durham
MADDISON, Sarah Daughter 1877 ThornbyCo Durham
MADDISON, Bartholomew Son 1878 ThornbyCoDurham
MADDISON, Thos Son 1879 ThornbyCo Durham
MADDISON, Francis Ann Daughter 1889 ThornbyCo Durham
MADDISON, Gowan R Son 1890 ThornbyCo Durham
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HI teaurn
I agree but i cannot find a Marriage for a Elizabeth Maddison & John Jones
Pughy
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Let me just touch base where I got to with the parents of Barbara Jones
Her mother is Elizabeth Maddison BUT there is no marriage listed. The only marriage listed for John Edward Jones is with Elizabeth Morrison. As I have 7 children to prove they "married" and as I have been down this road before it could be a waste of time for all of us.
John Edward Jones is from Debighshire, Wales (according to census reports) but I am pretty sure his father's name was John.
As there are so many Jones around I thought I would try another route, because all the research I and others have done before haven't got us any further. I do know that John Edward Jones left Easington after his wife died and he died in Lancashire. But I don't know when or where.
I do know from information from my family that Barbara Jones siblings most of them lived in Easington until about mid 1930s. I do know from talking to my dad that some lived in Huddersfield. I actually met Francis, Elizabeth (Lizzie) when I lived in England as a child.
Any ideas anyone - I have to go...its 11:48am in Vancouver and work beckons me...Thanks
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I forgot to say about the Maddison side. This is correct
Address: Water Street, Thornley
County: Durham
MADDISON, Mark Head 1849 Fireman In Coal Mine Co Durham Pittington
MADDISON, Mary Wife 1856 Co Durham Pittington
MADDISON, Elizabeth 1875 ThornbyCo Durham
MADDISON, Sarah Daughter 1877 ThornbyCo Durham
MADDISON, Bartholomew Son 1878 ThornbyCoDurham
MADDISON, Thos Son 1879 ThornbyCo Durham
MADDISON, Francis Ann Daughter 1889 ThornbyCo Durham
MADDISON, Gowan R Son 1890 ThornbyCo Durham
I dont' have the information in front of me but I believe Sarah married an Etherington, Sarah married a Nicholson.
This side of the family I have all the information it is the Jones side that is the problem.
See Ya ::)
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I think the John Edward Jones/Elizabeth Morrison marriage may be the correct one. Maddison could easily be mistaken for morrison ("DD" could easily be mistaken for "RR")
The best way to resolve that would be to purchase the marriage cert - =and specifiy Elizabeth's father's forename
On which census does it state John Edward was b Denbighshire????
Suz
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At least we were on the right track Pughy - Strange about the marriage cert though. According to 1911 census they had been married 17 years which means 1894 but I can see nothing will keep looking - if we can find that then Irene can send for cert to confirm fathers name
teaurn
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Found one on the 1881 census parents Edward and Mineva living in Shropshire
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Thats the only one I can find which uses a reference to Churk(Chirk on 1881)except the year of birth is listed as 1872
Unless he had listed John without using the E and then it could take a while.
I thought reseaching Clark(e) in London was hard enough searching Jones in Wales certainly beats that.
Makes it more interesting though
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Genuki
Chirk- a parish in the union of Oswestry, hundred of Chirk, county of Denbigh
Chirk Green Denbigh -United methodist Free Church (English language)
Reg district Oswestry
I don't think there is another John Edward Jones of correct y.o.b. from Chirk
Suz
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Which seems strange because Oswetry comes under Shropshire or was it Wales back then
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Oswestry registration district spans the borders of Denbighshire & Shropshire - Chirk is very near to Shropshire border
and look at this
1871
22 New Buildings
Chirk
Denbighshire
reg district Oswestry
Edward Jones head m 23 coal miner Ruabon Denbigh
Minerva wife 23 St Martins Salop
RG10 2784 30 6
Suz
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1891
Glynmorlas
Rhosyllan
Shropshire
Edward Jones Head M 44 Coal Miner St Martins Salop
Minerva wife 42 St Martins Salop
JOHN E son u 19 Coal Miner labourer Chirk
Richard son 9 St martin Salop
William son 8 St martin Salop
Thomas G son 4 St Martin Salop
RG12 2118 24 12
(looks like Edward's p.o.b. has been entered incorrectly!)
SAuz
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I find that with alot of them
With my Clark side it seemed they often put down that they were born where they live perhaps the enumirator didnt make it clear or they didn't fully understand the question On one of mine a mother has even put down not known for where born for her own children - How does that work
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1901
Glynmorlas
St Martins Shropshire
Edward jones head M53 Coal Miner Hewer Chirk
Minerva wife 49
Richard son 19 Coal Miner hewer
William son 17 coal miner below
Thomas G son 14
Minerva and children b St Martins Salop
RG13 2546 25 9
Suz
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Marriage FreeBMD
Sept qtr 1869
Oswestry
on same page
Edward Jones
Minerva Parry
6a 1127
to go further back with Edward the marriage cert needs to be purchased as there are a few edwards of similar age b Ruabon
Suz
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Looks good to me What a star ;D
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I do have a copy of the marriage certificate them;
John Edward Jones - Father John Jones
Elizabeth Morrison. - Father Mark Morrison
This cert. was also shows the Morrison name clearly. I did contact Durham office and someone checked the banns and said Morrison was the name used all 3 times. I know...a wall for every turn we make. One thing of note, I couldn't find any Mark Morrison on census reports with a daughter Elizabeth.
As for the Edward Jones & Minerva, let me look at it again. There is something I remember about this.
irene33 :-*
On the information I think the father's name was the only thing that stumped me and my dad said he thought his grandfather's mother was called Katherine. I do have a cert. for another John Jones but I could never find the parents
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Thanks for all your hard work everyone.
I am still not sure about Edward and Minerva. It looks very probable.
Thanks