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Please could you find Michael Morley born Whitworth, Lancashire around 1827.
I would like to know his parents. His father is reputed to come from Hull. Anything you can find would be much appreciated.
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Hi,
:)
Do you know if Michael married? If he did and you could order his marriage certificate, it would give you the name of his father. I know its not much but its a start.
Luzzu
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Hi,
It seems that on the 1861, 1871 and 1891 census', he is married to Mary and then in 1901 his wife is Elizabeth. So maybe he married twice? He died in Blackburn in 1904, aged 77:-
Possible 2nd marriage as on the 1901 census they have a sister-in-law and niece with them, both by the name of Barnes.
Sep 1894
Blackburn 8e 785
Barnes Elizabeth
Birch Sarah Jane
Craven John
Morley Michael
Here is a possible 1st marriage but not so sure of this one:-
Jun 1848
Blackburn 21 29
Barnes Alice
Christie John
Duxbury Isaiah
Morley Henry
Michael Morley
Proctor Mary
Whittaker Mary
Wilson Margaret
Two brides with the first name Mary so without the certificate it is difficult to know which one and also there is a Henry Morley on the record too. Maybe a relative?
Having trouble spotting him in 1841 or 1851, when he might have been his parents.
Possible death for first wife - there are a few but this one seems the best match:-
Jun 1893
Mary Morley aged 63
Blackburn 8e 313
Luzzu
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According to Lancashire BMD, the Michael Morley in the 1848 marriage, married Mary Proctor at St James, Church Kirk
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Hi,
1841 census:
HO107/507/14 Folio 7 page 7
Church Bridge, Church
Mary Marley, 40
Grace , 20 Weaver
MICHAEL, 14, Labourer
Jonathan, 16
Ann, 13
All born in County
Regards,
Mo
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Hi,
There is a Burial of a Henry Morley of Church Bridge aged 19 on 4th June, 1839 at Church Kirk.
This is mother Mary on the 1851 census transcribed as Maley:
Church Bridge, Church
HO107/2260 folio 25 Page 42
Mary Morley, Head, Wid, 56, House Keeper, Accrington
Wm Booth, Lodger, Mar, 21, Labourer, Lancs Church
Hannah Booth, Lodger, Wife, 21, Yorkshire
Bridge Booth, Son, 2 months, Lancs Church
Regards,
Mo
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Hi,
Well done Mo - I couldn't see the family at all in 1841 and 1851.
Presumably the burial in 1839 is Michael's older brother ???.
There are a couple of submitted trees that give the parents as John Morley and Mary Hinchcliffe who married in 1818 and a connection with Leicestershire but don't know how to go about substantiating this.
Also can't understand Leicestershire as Westher mentioned the father possibly came from Hull.
???
As usual, more questions than answers.
Luzzu
PS. There is a John Morley/Mary Hinchcliffe marriage on www.familysearch.org 6 Nov 1819 in Halifax, Yorkshire.
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Hi,
I suspect that the burial was indeed Michaels brother. I also have a lot of doubts about that family tree on Ancestry. :-\
All the children of John and Mary Morley including Henry were baptised at Heptonstall and are on the IGI.
Regards,
Mo
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Hi Mo,
Do you think the John Morley/Mary Hinchcliffe marriage in Halifax might be right - its not that far from Heptonstall :-\ and maybe the Leicestershire connection is a red herring?
One of the trees I have seen tonight had a marriage in 1840 for the Henry who was buried in 1839 - the Corpse Bridegroom ::).
Luzzu
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Hi Luzzu,
Yes, the marriage is a possibility. I also came to the same conclusion about Leicestershire - definitely not the same family is it?
Regards,
Mo
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Westher,
You will be interested in the book The Morley Families of Halifax, West Yorkshire by J.A.E. Morley and C.S.B. Morley. It is available for free online viewing at http://www.MorleyOfHalifax.com. Your Michael Morley is (in the present edition) treated in entry B48 on page 319. From his 1848 marriage certificate (transcribed at www.lan-opc.org.uk (http://www.lan-opc.org.uk)) we know for certain that his father’s name was John. In the above book I argue that this John was most likely the son of David MORLEY and Grace HELLIWELL, of Wheatley Royd Farm, Brearley, Halifax, Yorkshire.
I suppose it is plausible that your sources mistook ‘Halifax’ for ‘Hull’.
The John Morley that married Mary HINCHLIFFE also appears in this book, on page 281. The two John Morleys were first cousins; the husband of Mary Hinchliffe stayed in Yorkshire and was a schoolmaster at Cragg Vale, Halifax.
I agree with everything else stated by Luzzo, Duck and mosiefish. The purported link to Leicestershire is indeed unfounded.
C.S.B. Morley
Corresponding Author
The Morley Families of Halifax, West Yorkshire
http://www.MorleyOfHalifax.com
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Thank you for all your help. I have now "subscribed" to the Morley Book site and look forward to exploring the information you mention after Christmas. Westher. :)
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Morley of Halifax
Sorry, I have tried to find the entries B48 on page 319 but can see no reference to Michael Morley or John Morley. What is B48. Is it B1V item 8? Nor can I find John Morley and Mary Hinchliffe on page 281. Am I using the information incorrectly?
Westher.
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Hello Westher,
Sorry for the mix-up. The page references I gave you are now outdated. I updated the book in the middle of last month. I do this at least once a month. The pagination changes whenever I add information.
To illustrate how impermanent the page references are: as of today, Michael's entry now spans page 326-327. And this will surely change with subsequent updates. The most robust method for finding an individual is to locate their name in the index (at the back of the book). Then follow the hyperlink(s) beside the individual's name.
Michael's entry has hyperlinks to his ancestors and children.
"Entry B48" meant that Michael was individual number 48 in Family B (of last month's draft).
I hope this clears things up.
CSBM
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:)Hello CSBM
Now had a chance to look at the information you have. Betsy Morley, daughter of Michael Morley married and gave her first son Morley as his middle name. I have her birth and death dates on a photo copy of the Family Bible frontispiece. The family story was that Michael Morley was Foreman at Steiners Bleach Works at Church, a Justice of the Peace, lived at Sharn Hall, Chairman of Church Urban District Council (now called Hyndburn). Also his family came from Hull. I can find no connection with Hull so maybe this was in fact Halifax. York Street is right by Steiners Bleach Works. Where the hall fits in I'm not sure.
Westher