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Title: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Wednesday 25 November 09 01:35 GMT (UK)
I am looking for the deaths of Theodoca Cosher who is 72 on the 1841 census and Theodoca Neal age 1 on the 1841 census.

I can't find them on any other census.

Cheers Ted
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: wendy47 on Wednesday 25 November 09 16:47 GMT (UK)
Hi

Their names on Anc***try is Theodica Crosher and Theodica Neal

Couldn't see Them though

sorry

wendy :)
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Wednesday 25 November 09 22:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks for looking Wendy.

We did a pretty extensive search yesterday through Chatterbox nd someone found a marriage for a Theophila Neal and a Nathaniel Crosher. I think this is her second marriage as she was living with a William Neal.

The date of the marriage is also after Williams date of birth.

So I'm hoping someone out there can find an earlier marriage.

Cheers Ted
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: DebbieG on Monday 30 November 09 17:10 GMT (UK)
I have found the younger Theodocia Neal (as spelt at her marriage) in 1851 in Bosworth Union Workhouse - it is wrongly indexed as Theodora Read,  but the image says Theodora Neal.

I can't see her in 1861 yet

but there is a marriage 1862 Walsall reg dist one of the possible spouses being Edward Nightingale,  from then on she seems to have lived in Darleston Staffordshire she is indexed as Theodosia in 1871, Theodora in 1881 and Theodisia in 1891.  Let me know if you need any more info to spot her.

 :)

DebbieG
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: DebbieG on Monday 30 November 09 17:29 GMT (UK)
OK digging around a bit more

I have found a baptism for a William Neal who would fit with the William whoses house they are in, in 1841   31 JUL 1808   Desford (Desford is close to Newbold Verdon) s/o William Neal & Theophila Neal

I can't find the marriage of William Neal to Theo**** (anything) at the moment,  but there is a baptism in 1772 in Desford for Theophila Ellet d/o William & Anne.

All the above is from Family Search

 :)

DebbieG

Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Monday 30 November 09 22:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much Debbie, I will try and find her for myself. She seems to be my 5g grandmother.

Her grand daughter ended up in the workhouse too at one stage.

Cheers Ted
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: Mike from Leicester on Monday 30 November 09 23:00 GMT (UK)
 :)...Seasonal Greeting’s………. Tedscout... :)

Closest match for a William Neal ~ Theo *** Marriage :~

1755.
St: Martin’s parish Church.
Desford.

William Neal. ~ Theoflias ELLIOTT.
25th. May.
By Banns.

MIKE.
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Monday 30 November 09 23:38 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much Mike  :D ;D :o

I am suprised and delighted with all this research you guys are doing for me.

I just popped in to tell you that the younger Thodora is in th workhouse with her brother. I'm off to check the whole of the original census to see if anymore of the family are their.

Merry Christmas and thank you again.
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Friday 29 January 10 03:02 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone,

and thanks again for the research you did for me. I appreciate it so much.

I wondered if you could help me out once again and give me your expert oppinion on this death.

Zipporah Cosher - Dec 1844 Chipping Norton Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Warwickshire.

I know Chipping Norton is over an hour away from Newbold Verdon but it is the only one remotely possible I've found so far.



Also found this 1861 census entry that could be Theodica jnr.
Class:  RG9; Piece:  2283; Folio:  79; Page:  18; GSU roll:  542948.

Theodosia Hull head age 22 b leicestershire

Looking forward to hearin from you - thanks for all your help so far.


Cheers Ted
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: Lorraine Jones on Monday 14 September 15 16:14 BST (UK)
Hi, hope you're still out there researching - I think I have tracked down the marriage of Theophilia and William Neal, I found a recently published extract from Phillimore Marriages for Desford with the following entry:  William Neal married Theophiliar Elliott banns 25th May 1795 at Desford, Leicestershire.  Witnessed by John Wood and Ann Bailey.  Bride was a spinster.  This was from a transcription on UK Genealogy Archives.  I think the previous marriage found for 1755 might be an incorrect date for the same record.  1795 would fit in with the births of 2 other children I have found to William and Theophila Neal - Ann Neal, christened 6.3.1796 in Desford, and Joseph Neal christened 13.9.1797 in Desford.  Desford is not far away from me, so hopefully at some point I'll be able to go to the library there and check out what parish records they have.  Hope you and your family are all well.  Best wishes - Lorraine
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Tuesday 22 December 15 07:24 GMT (UK)
Dear Lorraine,

So sorry for such a late Thank You Very Much! I haven't been doing much family history lately.

Thankyou so much for confirming what I thought a while ago about the date of the marriage being incorrect.

Cheers Ted
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Thursday 25 May 23 14:49 BST (UK)
Thank you to everyone again who helped with this old thread.

I thought you might like a tiny update!

After all these years I have found someone related who is also looking for Theo???a.

Luv Ted

Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Thursday 25 May 23 14:58 BST (UK)
And Lorraine - if you are still watching this thread - your information was vital in the next step - cant tell you how much I appreciate it.

Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: Lorraine Jones on Saturday 27 May 23 09:15 BST (UK)
Hi there, good to hear from you again.  Yes I am still here and still doing research now and then.  I've just rejoined FindMyPast for a year so I can catch up with the 1921 census in the UK.  I've researched a lot around the family but still never got back very far with the Neals, hit a brick wall with the marriage of William and Theodesia.  Still have fun looking though!
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Tuesday 30 May 23 13:35 BST (UK)
Hi Lorraine,

I call her Theo - so many spellings!

Thanks for all help

Luv Ted



Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Tuesday 30 May 23 13:54 BST (UK)
The last time I can find Theo.

Is in the 1861 Census. She is Theophia Chrawshaw (Chosher) a lodger widow aged 92.

Living with William and Ann Spencer, in The Village - William is a Framework knitter.  William is 71 and Ann is 65.

Was Ann her carer?

I searched the census and I think she was with people who cared.

How do I find where she died?

Should I make this a new post?

Thanks everyone for you help

Cheers Ted





Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: willsy on Tuesday 30 May 23 20:35 BST (UK)
There is a marriage of a William Spencer, framework knitter to Ann Neal in Desford Sep 20 1814, witnesses John Halford and Rebecca Bennett.
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: Lorraine Jones on Wednesday 31 May 23 09:02 BST (UK)
Hi, in 1861 Theo was living with Ann, her daughter, who was married to William Spencer.  I've never been able to find a death record for Theo, but I believe that William died in 1863 and Ann possibly in 1866.  I wonder if this meant that Theo was left alone and maybe ended up back in the workhouse if she was unable to look after herself and perhaps no-one knew her real name when she died.  It is certainly a name that changes with every record!  A sad ending to her life, and sad that she outlived her children, but they certainly do seem to have cared for her as long as they could.
Title: Re: Cosher/Neal Theodica Newbold Verdon
Post by: tedscout on Friday 02 June 23 10:27 BST (UK)
wow Lorraine,

You are the best.

I had not picked up that she was living with family.

This whole family looked after each other. I cant find a part of this family where there was no cares.