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Andrew Hedley b1824/5 County Down Ireland was the brother of my gg grandfather who disappeared off the radar after he got married c1850, turned up in the 1881 census a blast engine man in Furnace Court, Cleator Moor.
From census 1861, 1871, 1881 I find that there were a lot more than just Andrew. (And from some C of E parish records online which I now can't find again)
It is not, as I thought, a couple of Irishmen finding work in England... there were a LOAD of Hedleys there at that period and what's more they were more or less all in the one street and all born in Ireland.
So a load of unrelated Irishmen called Hedley going to England looking for work don't just happen to all end up in the same street in England!
Andrew and his wife Eliza Jane Booman had a child Isabella baptised in James St Scotch Presbyterian Church in Whitehaven. I then find that Hedleys have been baptised here since 17c !!!!!
Other children were John, born Co Down, Henry born Whitehaven, twins Isabella and Eleanor, 1854, Cleator (Eleanor married John Shylan), James born 1859 in Cleator
Another brother who disappeared (no trace after marriage to Anna Frew) was Joseph. He would have been born about 1830/31.
There is , in the 1881 census an innkeeper called Joseph Hedley at 55, Henry St in Workington. His wife is Annie born Ireland 3 years later than him and living with them is daughter Margaret Larkin and grandson Joseph E Larkin.
Tradition has it that "our" Hedleys are from Northumberland but I now wonder if it wasn't just happen-chance that all those 19c County Down Hedleys ended up in that particular area... perhaps from Northumberland but by way of Cumberland for a hundred years? Also I've seen reference in records recently of addresses like Newcastle, Cumberland and Sunderland, Cumberland so obviously they were easily and often confused.
Any Hedleys from Cumberland after their Irish Roots?
thanks
peter
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Hi and welcome to rootschat
It can be counter productive to post duplicate information on several boards so I will lock the Northumberland one so that people do not spend time on replying when the work may have been done elsewhere. Sorry to do this on your first posts! We are very friendly really....
Regards
Andrea
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Hi Peter
Welcome to Rootschat!
I can't help with your specific Hedleys, though I'll print off all you've written and see what springs to mind.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if many of these belong to you. Families often left Ireland in large numbers, though not alwaus at the same time. Many emigranys all over the world formed links in the new country, and then those people set up support for family arriving later, providing temporary accommodation and such like.
Also, if you have people missing, it's worth considering that many people came to England and continued on further afield such as America and Australia.
I think with my Irish family more than anyone else, it's worth looking as many places as I can: Any passenger lisls, Military service on the Natioinal Archives, as many census as possible, Australian Archives search, Directories online and so on.
Just a few thought! I'll have a look later.
Nice to have you on Rootschat!
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi All.
This is a Memorial Inscription for St Leonards. Cleator. HEDLEY.
In Affectionate Rememberance of ANDREW Hedley who died December 2nd. 1894 Aged 67 years.
ELIZA the beloved wife of Andrew Hedley who died December 29th 1868 aged 43 years.
HENRY their son who died at Whitehaven age 2 years.
ELIZABETH their daughter who died December 4th 1865, aged 4 years.
HENRY, their second son who died September 22 nd 1870 Age 19 years.
JOHN, their son who died November 30th, 1871 Age 25 years.
JOSEPH, their son who died December 14th, 1871 Age 5 years 6 months.
JAMES, their son who died September 17th, 1907 Age 48 years and was interred at St Johns. Cleator Moor.
ISABELLA, their daughter who died January 19th 1922 age 65 years
Hope this is of use.
Sandra
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Of course it's of use Sandra! This sad catalogue is indeed the family. Thank you much.
St Leonards was maybe a burying place for other Hedleys then, must try to check it out.
peter
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Hi Peter.
That is the only 1 pre 1900 for St Leonards. James was listed but interred at St Johns. Cleator Moor so that might be a possibility.
Nothing listed for Egremont.
Happy Hunting.
Sandra
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Hi Peter.
Your Joseph is on the 1861 census with Anne - also another Frew listed.
Joseph Headley 30
Anne Headley 26
Margret Headley 3
W J Frew 23
James Gorden 22
Margaret Hedley/Headley marries John Larkin - Cockermouth District Sept 1880 10b 674
Joseph Hedley Larkin is born Dec 1880 Cockermouth District.
Joseph Hedley born 1830 died Cockermouth District 1886
Anne Hedley died 1890 Cockermouth District.
Joseph Hedley Larkin appears to be with his grandmother Elizabeth at 54 Derwent Street in 1891. A John Larkin (Mariner - Married) is listed but no Margaret.
Sandra
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Sandra you are a GEM!
Thank you so much. I suspected this innkeeper was Andrew's brother but confirming it has opened up new possibilities. Thanks again
peter
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Your welcome Peter.
Still leaves a few mysteries as to the whereabouts of Margaret Larkin in 1891 though.
Was there just the 2 brothers Hedley - or are you looking for any others ?
Best Wishes.
Sandra
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only 3 children found so far, all boys, the 3rd one is my gg grandfather who stayed here.
Ironically I now know more about the lives of his brothers than I do about him. Records in Ireland are sparse to say the least as most early ones were destroyed, including census, when the Public Record Office was destroyed by explosion & fire in Dublin 1922.
Earliest full census here now 1901 apart from tiny fragments of 1841 & 1851 for parts of Down & Antrim which, I think, had been transcribed beforehand elsewhere. Luckily I did find a Hedley family on 1841 for Newtownards, Co Down but haven't connected it yet to my own.
peter
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All the thinking of Workington and Cockermouth brings to mind the plight of the poor folk there this week, God help them in the terrible floods. Bet they're not thinking about genealogy tonight, dear love them. I'm sure all our hearts are with them.
peter
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Had a quick look at Will J Frew - he could have been related to Anne - but no clues there either.
Also a James Frew 1844 Newtownards. Down. Ireland living at 6 Stanley Street. Workington but no clues from him.
Sandra
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Well yes. The census for 1861 showed Joseph at Northside. Workington.
Sandra
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Hi
Am new to the list.Just registered to see if anyone knew about a place in Hensingham in1871 census. Imagine my surprise to see this post about the Hedleys. My grandfather was Andrew Hedley Shylan, son of Ellenor Hedley and John Shylan. I know more about the Shylan side than the Hedleys so was good to see your post. Have seen the gravestone in Cleator churchyard, it's quite big and gave me quite a bit of info. ;D
Chris
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Hi :)
Welcome to Rootschat! ;)
What a stroke of luck! Even if you don'tstrike as lucky in all your branches, you'll get loads of help on Rootschat. I have!
I'll look at you other post about 1871 and see if I can help,
Again, welcome to Rootschat, and Merry Christmas! :) :) :)
Emms :)
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Hiya
welcome to the Hedley family :)
info I have...
Andrew Hedley Shylan born abt 1880 to John Shylan and Eleanor Hedley. John born born abt 1850 Scotland. other children Elizabeth H Shylan abt 1875 and Isabella abt 1879. John & Eleanor deaths unknown.
Eleanor Hedley twin to Isabella b 1854 Whitehaven. other children John born Scrabo area, County Down, Henry b1848 Whitehaven, Henry b 1851 (prob)Cleator, James b1859 (prob)Cleator. Deaths on headstone above.
Andrew Hedley born to Henry Hedley, flaxdresser, Scrabo area Co Down 1827, d Dec 1894 Cleator.
Other children William Hedley, my g g grandfather, b abt 1830 Scrabo area, labourer and Joseph Hedley the innkeeper in Workington who was married to Anna Frew in Newtownards.
Eliza Jane Booman/Bowman born to John Booman, blacksmith, Scrabo area.
Married 24 8 1846 in 1st Newtownards Presbyterian Church, County Down.
Henry Hedley born abt 1808 Scrabo Area, spouse unknown thus far.
Got lots of cousins here if you want them...
peter :)
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Hi everyone ;)
Just to let you know that the foregoing quest is now COMPLETED, in no small part due to Rootsweb and the leads I found here.
All above people are indeed connected to each other and, thankfully, to me.
For info of any concerned or their descendants here is a skeleton of the family as now stands;
Henry Hedley, b abt 1780
Known children Robert 1815, Andrew 1828, Joseph 1831, William 1834 All went to Cumberland except William
Robert married Catherine Kirk
known children Isabella 1839, William John 1841, Mary 1846, Joseph 1849. All went to Cumberland c1870
Andrew married Eliza James Booman in Ireland then went to Cumberland soon after
known children John 1846, Henry 1849, Henry 1851, Eleanor & Isabella 1854, James 1858, Elizabeth 1861, Joseph 1866
Joseph married Anna Frew in Ireland then went to Cumberland soon after
known children Margaret 1858
William married Isabella Campbell
children Robert 1853, Joseph 1855, James 1857, Jane 1860, Thomas 1862, Agnes & Isabella 1865, Anna 1867.
William also went to Cumberland with Robert c 1870 but returned.
His son Robert went soon afterwards and did not return and it is thought son James also went if he was the James who married his(James') cousin Joseph's widow, Ann Jane Maitland.
All enquiries welcome
:)
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Hi Peter (Scraboman),
My grandfather, John Hedley, was born in Egremont-Cleator Moor in/around 1876/7. The 1891 census shows I believe my grandfather as the eldest of a family of James and Ann Jane Hedley of Queen Street Egremont. I believe that Ann Jane was married to two Hedley's so whether James or Joseph was my ggfather I'm not sure. My father used to talk of his father (John Hedley) throwing his step-father out of the house presumably for drink related offences, he later became a policeman circa 1900 in Lancashire. My father also mentioned that there was an Irish connection in the family, from the now Northern Ireland. Still not sure which James was my ggfather though. Very confusing with all the John's, Joseph's and James's.
CSquid
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Thanks for that Csquid
Here is what I now know of that family
Henry Hedley's known children:
Margaret
Andrew
Joseph
William (my GG grandfather)
Robert
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Robert's known children:
Isabella
William John
Mary
Joseph
William's known children:
Robert
Joseph (my G grandfather)
Jane
Thomas
Agnes
Isabella
Anna
James
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Joseph married Ann Jane Maitland
children:
Robert 1872
John (Jack) born 7 7 1876 according to a
granddaughter Sylvia
Then Ann Jane married a James Hedley (born Ireland) who seemed to have been boarding with them when Joseph died between 1875 and 1880
James son of William, family tradition has it, "went off to Australia or somewhere when young" but I would lay money he is the one who married his cousin's widow.
James and Anna had 8 children, 1st named Joseph
If you know more do tell
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Hi again Peter,
Sylvia is my cousin and can fill you in with the children/grand-children etc. of Jack and Jane Hedley (nee Sands) if this is of interest, otherwise I can fill you in.
What you write tallies with what my father told me, i.e. that he was an elder son of 10 children, that his grandmother married twice and both her husbands were called Hedley, that his step-father and he had an altercation which resulted in the step-father leaving the household.
In the 1891 census my grandfather and his family were listed as living at 20, Queen Street, Cleator as the second eldest of 7 children. The head of the family is listed as James Hedley aged 39, wife Ann Jane Hedley aged 41 and a mother-in-law? Jane Maitland aged 74? (sorry record not too decipherable).
My wife and I recently visited England (we live in the Netherlands) and spent a couple of hours in the Cleator area. We found St .Johns church and discovered a gravestone with the names of Henry Hedley d. Sept 23rd 1942 and Eleanor Hedley daughter of ?? Hannah Hedley d. ?? 2nd 1936. There are lots of gravestones at the back of St. Johns but the graveyard is in a bad state of repair and as it was raining and we were unsuitably dressed we made a hasty retreat. Next time we come this way we will will be prepared !!
The "James, Joseph, John" naming carries on with my grandfathers children, they were called "Nellie" (could have been Eleanor), James, Lillian, John-Joseph, Stanley and Arnold. Sylvia is the daughter of James and I am the son of Arnold.
Hope this is of use and adds to the body of knowledge.
Your "cousin" Brian