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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: Dolphinphil on Thursday 19 November 09 20:25 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for the burials of my Great Grandfather and Mother , David and Emma Mackintosh (David 2/4/1891- Emma 9/6/1889). They died in Oban town but I have been unable to find their graves. The library cannot find them in Penyfuir Cemetary or the old Parish Church and the Council say they do not keep records back that far. Does anyone have any suggestions please???
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I have the same problem! My gt-gt-grandparents died in Oban in the 1890s. No record of them in Pennyfuir and no headstone in the parish churchyard at Oban or at the churchyards out at Kilmore and Kilbride.
Two of their sons were in business as stonemasons and plasterers, so I assumed that they would have erected a nice stone for their parents, but if they did, I've yet to find it.
Kilmore & Oban Parish Church have a list of lair (plot) owners of the churchyard, it could be worth contacting them.
http://obanchurch.com/index.html
You may be lucky, there are a few internment records beside the owners names, mostly for the early part of the 19th century.
Lodger.
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Thanks Lodger,
I have already made contact with that church and they cannot find a trace. David was an Architect who built some of the prominent buildings in Oban so I am surprised that I cannot find him. There seems to be a kind of 'Bermuda Triangle' for burial records in Oban about that time!!
Anybody else help?? Perhaps someone living in the Oban area who might know why??
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Hi, I replied to your other post before I found this one :-[
I am pretty sure that library has old copies of The Oban Times, as your ancestors were prominant people it is possible that there may be a death notice in the paper. Failing that I would contact the paper direct.
Lucy
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Good idea Lucy, I didn't find a place of burial in the obituary but I did find my great-great grandfather's Gaelic nickname. I was delighted with that little snippet!
Lodger.
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Hi
We now have a new Family History Group here in Oban and Lorn, I will share these questions with members next time we meet, maybe someone can offer some help.
We also have two new websites where you might be able to get help locally
one for the group Lorn Family History Group (http://lornfamilyhistory.wikidot.com) and one for Old Oban (http://oldoban.wikidot.com)
Please join in and see if others can help.
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To thornhill121, Thanks Lucy, I have found the obituaries in both the Oban Times and the Oban Express (they were separate papers at the time) but there was no mention of the burials. I visited Oban in person and went to the Oban Times office to see the originals and the library to see the Oban Express.
I had only a limited time in Oban and wished now that I had searched the following weeks papers to see if they mentioned the burials. Never mind, it looks like I have an excuse for another visit to lovely Oban!!
Thanks for your help,
Phil
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To ardchattan. Thanks for your help, it would be great if you could raise those questions for me. I will try the two sites you suggested as well.
Thanks again,
Phil
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hi i work in pennyfuir, david mcintosh died 2-4-1891 was buried 4-4-1891, emma newal mcintosh died 9-6-1889 was buried 11-6-1889,
they are buried together in section "A" lair 98, there is no headstone but i could show you where they are buried, if you are ever in the cemetery ask for me, Garry.
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Thanks Garry, I have already found the burial when I visited Oban earlier this year after some excellant help from a lady in the Town Hall. I understand that there is a stillborn child in the grave and so there is only a small stone marked with the date of death of the child. It remains a mystery why there is no stone for David or Emma. I noticed when I visited Oban that some graves without headstones had small plaques naming the buried, would you know how I could go about getting a similar plaque made?
Thankyou very much for replying to my post, I do appreciate the information, particularly the burial dates which I was unaware of. Thanks again, Phil.
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Hi Phil,
I have had some excellent help from Gerry and it occurred to me during the correspondence with him that the reason for there not being a headstone at the grave of my great-grandmother's eldest brother (a very prominent Oban businessman & chairman of the parish council) was that his religion may have frowned upon the custom. He was a staunch Wee Free and from what I can gather that particular branch of Presbyterianism is very strict about anything like that. Someone else may know for sure.
It was said that he was a founder-member of Oban co-op (Share number 1) but when they decided to apply for a licence to sell alcohol he withdrew his money from it. Don't know just how true that is but there must be a grain of truth in it.
Lodger
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Garry do you still work in Pennyfuir cemetery I am looking for someone who may be buried there?
Regards
Sheena
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Garry do you still work in Pennyfuir cemetery I am looking for someone who may be buried there?
Regards
Sheena
yep still working in pennyfuir. You can email me at (*) I'll try to help if I can
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Garry, sorry :-\ Taken off your email from the last post. We have a rule here on RC not to have personal emails to protect our members from online abuses etc. We offer everyone, after 3 posts on the main forums, the option to use the Personal Message service (PMs) to exchange info of a personal nature and emails.
Sheena, welcome to Rootschat :)
Monica
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Garry, sorry :-\ Taken off your email from the last post. We have a rule here on RC not to have personal emails to protect our members from online abuses etc. We offer everyone, after 3 posts on the main forums, the option to use the Personal Message service (PMs) to exchange info of a personal nature and emails.
Sheena, welcome to Rootschat :)
Yep no problem, Sheena you can post a message on here, I'll try to help. Garry.
Monica
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I only joined Rootschat yesterday so thought the (*) was a Rootschats way of emailing :-). Thank you Monica and thank you Garry, I don't think the person I am seeking is in Pennyfuir but his son thinks he is so I am trying to rule it out. His name is James Hannah, born c1882, died aged 60 at Dalintart Hospital Oban on 26th March 1944. Oban TEC Services only hold records from 1945 onwards, so he could be buried anywhere in Oban or even Strontian or Ardgour perhaps even sent home to his birthplace of Wigtownshire. Any help would be appreciated, I've been searching online burial records for over three months now. Kind Regards, Sheena.
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I only joined Rootschat yesterday so thought the (*) was a Rootschats way of emailing :-). Thank you Monica and thank you Garry, I don't think the person I am seeking is in Pennyfuir but his son thinks he is so I am trying to rule it out. His name is James Hannah, born c1882, died aged 60 at Dalintart Hospital Oban on 26th March 1944. Oban TEC Services only hold records from 1945 onwards, so he could be buried anywhere in Oban or even Strontian or Ardgour perhaps even sent home to his birthplace of Wigtownshire. Any help would be appreciated, I've been searching online burial records for over three months now. Kind Regards, Sheena.
hi Sheena our records show a James Hannah age 60, died 30th March 1944, buried in pennyfuir cemetery section D lair 278, the grave is unmarked as he is buried in the "poors" ground, this is an area of the cemetery where graves were not purchased. Garry.
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Thank you very much Garry, Oban TEC show no records of a James Hannah being buried inPennyfuir in 1944 and neither do the online records for Pennyfuir.
It's entirely possible that this is the James Hannah that I am looking for as his official records show he died in the hospital on the 26th of March and the death registered on the 27th of March, as it was a poor burial it may well be that it was recorded on the day of burial itself.
To let you know how helpful this has been to me it's because when James Hannah died he left three young children orphaned as his wife died in 1941. That's why it would have been a "Poor's" grave. Of the three children only one still survives and he has never know where his mother or father were laid to rest, I have already found his mother but this information will complete a family chapter and enable his details to be added to his family tree. Thank you so much, Kind Regards, Sheena.
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Thank you very much Garry, Oban TEC show no records of a James Hannah being buried inPennyfuir in 1944 and neither do the online records for Pennyfuir.
It's entirely possible that this is the James Hannah that I am looking for as his official records show he died in the hospital on the 26th of March and the death registered on the 27th of March, as it was a poor burial it may well be that it was recorded on the day of burial itself.
To let you know how helpful this has been to me it's because when James Hannah died he left three young children orphaned as his wife died in 1941. That's why it would have been a "Poor's" grave. Of the three children only one still survives and he has never know where his mother or father were laid to rest, I have already found his mother but this information will complete a family chapter and enable his details to be added to his family tree. Thank you so much, Kind Regards, Sheena.
I have checked my books and the 30th was the day of the burial not the date of death, I'm glad I've been able to help you. Garry.
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Thank you again Garry, I am so looking forward to being able to pass on the information and we are all going to visit both burial places that I have been looking for.Kind Regards, Sheena.
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Garry that was great info that you have been able to confirm for Sheena and her friend :)
Monica
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Do you know if it is possible to get a lair map of Pennyfuir in order to find the grave when we get there? Thank you, Regards Sheena
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Do you know if it is possible to get a lair map of Pennyfuir in order to find the grave when we get there? Thank you, Regards Sheena
we have a map in the cemetery, if you ask for me when you get there I can show you,or any of the guys that work there will be able to help. Garry.
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Thank you Garry. Are you there normal working hours? Is there an office there? Really appreciate all your help. Regards Sheena
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Thank you Garry. Are you there normal working hours? Is there an office there? Really appreciate all your help. Regards Sheena
yep, 8 till 4, and I am based in pennyfuir, we keep records at the cemetery.
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Okay thank you again, will ask for you when we get there. Regards Sheena
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Okay thank you again, will ask for you when we get there. Regards Sheena
Thank you so much Garry for coming to meet us at Pennyfuir on your day off! and for showing us the location of the grave, Uncle Jimmy went last weekend to visit his fathers grave for the first time, he was very impressed with how well the cemetery is kept and very happy indeed to have found his father at last. Thank you for all the time and effort that you went to on our behalf.
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Garry, complete superstar you have been on this. I have been reading this thread since it started.
Monica :)
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Garry, complete superstar you have been on this. I have been reading this thread since it started.
Monica :)
I agree and as there is no record of the burial in Perth's offices, it would have been impossible without Garry and of course Rootschat!