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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: chrissue on Wednesday 18 November 09 20:20 GMT (UK)
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This person was Polish. He was 60 in 1959 and resided in London. He was a widower with two or three children.
Chrissue :)
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Hi,
I am assuming Joseph was born in Poland, do you know when he moved to England? Did he marry here or in Poland? :)
Danielle
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I know very little as he was my birth father and I was adopted. He had grown up children at that time. I assume he came over to england at some point and probably married here.
Chrissue
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I have found a possible immigration record but all it says as he arrived in Liverpool, all other info is beyond my membership!!
I suggest maybe posting up on the Europe board, maybe someone in Poland can help!!
I can't find any marriage records for him in the country
Sorry :-\
Danielle
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Danielle , this is the link to the RC Europe Board.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,135.0.html
charlotte
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what date was the immigration record for liverpool?
chrissue
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That is all the info the record shows without me having to pay to upgrade my membership
Sorry :-[
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Hi
I can see two immigration records:
1902 Liverpool from Philadelphia on the SS Westernland
Josef Babis, labourer, no age or pob given for any passengers
1920 Plymouth from New York on the Royal George
Josef Babic, labourer, 48, born Slovakia, transmigrant to Hamburg
Neither of these would be who you are searching for as they would be too old.
Kind regards
Gaie
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Chrissue, why do you think Josef was Polish?
Kind regards
Gaie
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Hiya Chrissue...go to www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk and click on Merseyside Aliens...this is a record of all foreigners who arrived in Liverpool from 1879-1912.....I`ve checked for your Joseph Babic and he`s not there..so he never lived in Liverpool....will try geneanet.org and see if he`s on there....allan :)
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OK...I`ve been on geneanet.org and there are 32 tree matches...but NONE from Poland ...the majority are from France or Belgium....where did you get your info he was Polish ?...allan
ADDED...There are 11 archives submitted for the Babic family back to 1660 and ALL in France.....
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there`s only one marriage for Babic on freebmd and that is in Dec Qtr 1929..
Violet Babic to Gustav A J P Maix in Dover 2a 2958 ....
.no birth on freebmd for Violet or any other Babic......looking more and more French than Polish....on geneanet there are 451 matches for Maix......page one has every single one in France.....allan
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We might have a slight spelling difference here....on freebmd in Mile End London
Babich..........3 marriages .......but No births and No deaths....allan
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Hi
FreeBMD is only transcribed up to about 1930 so is probably not much help; and we do not know if Josef's older children were born in this country or even if he married here.
There were at least 46 Babics born here between 1929-1969 and 16 Babic marriages.
It is just as likely that Josef arrived in the UK between wars or after WW2.
Geneanet seems to be a predominently French site - try putting JONES in and see what results come up ;D
Babic does sound eastern European, it just doesn't sound very Polish; for example in the Poznan Project, which indexes marriages in the Poznan region which consisted of around 10 million people at the end of the 19th century and covers the period 1835-1884, there is only one exact match for Babic; the nearest most common variant is Babiak.
http://genealogy.familyeducation.com/surname-origin/babic
The above site gives the origin as Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian, Czech and Slovak.
http://www.croatian-genealogy.com/cro-surnames/03-babic.shtml
The above site says that Babic is the third most frequent surname found in Croatia.
Just throwing some food for thought into the pot ;)
Kind regards
Gaie
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Assuming he stayed in England I checked deaths from 1959 onwards. Nothing with spelling as above. The 2 nearest entries I could find were:
Joseph Alfred Babiak b.2/4/1901 d.Sept.1979 Barnet
Jozef Babik b.13/3/1896 d.Oct.1990 Hereford
Annette
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Annette, you're a star, I couldn't face checking quarter by quarter for deaths last night ;D
KR
Gaie
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Thank you to every one. As I am adopted the polish aspect came from the rather limited information that I have from the agency. His name is not on my birth cert but they were quite firm about his age. He might have come over before the war. The recods definately state he has children from a previous marriage. I'm fairly certain my birth mother has died but I haven't really checked that side as yet
chrissue
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I think I need to find if any of his kids survived. I think they did but I'm going to have to dig my birth mothers family to see if any of them are alive and know the background.
Thanks to everyone who has helped
Chrissue :-\