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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Derbyshire => England => Derbyshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Annmoo on Tuesday 17 November 09 10:58 GMT (UK)
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Hi Peeps,
I'm trying to find my gg grandfather Henry Rodwell Yates. He appears in the 1891 census in Leicestershire and is listed as being born in Church Gresley, Derbyshire (new to me as I thought we were always originated here in sunny Leicester).
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated as I'm trying to create a family tree for my mother who has never known much about her roots and has just turned 70 years old! Good xmas present if I can manage it.
Annie xx
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Hi Annie,
1861:
RG9/965 57 17
Fletton, Huntingdonshire
James Grice, head, 46, Locomotive Driver, b. Lancs Orford Green
Mary Grice, wife, 38, b. Leics Frisby
James Grice, son, 18, Fitters Labourer, b. Mddx London
Mary Ann Grice, au, 9, scholar, b. Hunts New Flatton
Mathew Grice, son, 1, b. do.
Thomas Yates, son, 13, scholar, b. Leicester
Mary Rodwell Yates, dau, 11, scholar, b. do.
Henry Yates, son, 7, b. Derbyshire Gresley
Kezia Neal, visitor, 30, Dressmaker, b. Leicester
:)
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Marriage James Grice to possibly Mary Yates
Mar 1859 Leicester 7a 281
This looks like the Yates family in 1851:
HO107/2088 233 20
Leicester St Margaret
Gartree St
John Yates, head, 29, Railway Porter, b. Leicester
Mary, wife, 27, Domistic, b. Frisby Leicester
John, son, 5, scholar at home, b. Leicester
Thomas, son, 3, scholar at home, b. do.
Mary, dau, 1, scholar at home, b. do.
Mary Yates, sister, unm, 27, Warehousewoman, b. do.
Lucy Yates, sister, unm, 24, Knitter at home, b. do.
FreeeBMD shows a marriage in Jun 1845, Leicester 15 129
John Yates to possibly Mary Rodwell
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Christenings extracted from IGI;
YATES, all with parents THOS and SARAH
Christened at; St Mary De Castro, Leicester, Leicester
WM., 08 August 1820
JOHN, 25 March 1822***
MARY ANN BROUGHTON, 01 December 1823***
LUCY, 18 September 1826***
SARAH ANN, 18 May 1829
ELIZA, 03 January 1831
Marriage;
THOMAS Yates
Sarah BROUGHTON
25 January 1819, Saint Margaret, Leicester, Leicester
*** Fits with names, ages on 1851 census
Trish :)
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Thank You !!!!
I still can't believe how everyone on here is so flippin' great when it comes to helping numpties like me. I'm getting over excited now, Thank you soo much all of you.
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Everyone is glad to help Annie :)
Dont worry we all had to start somewhere.
I looked for Henrys sister.
From www.freebmd.org.uk
Marriage ;
Mary Rodwell YATES
March 1880
Peterbro' 3b 315
Grooms either..George FOX, Edward MORRIS
Checked Census for Mary Fox and Morris, born 1850, Leics as per 1861 Census;
1881 Census
3 Rodwell Cottages
Woodstone, Huntingdonshire
RG11/1595/65/21
George FOX, 23, head, Mary, Pay?Clerk, born Cambridgeshire
Mary R Fox, 32, Wife, Mar, born Leicester
Now that is interesting. Mary Rodwell Yates/Fox is living in Rodwell Cottages and has a much younger Husband ;)
Back with 1891 soon
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1891 Census
1 Albert Place,
Peterborough, Northamptonshire
RG12/1230/4/1
George FOX, 33, Head, Mar, Licensed Victuallar, born Thorney, Cambridgeshire
Mary Rodwell Fox, 40, Wife, born Leicester, Leicestershire
Mary Kezia Rodwell Fox, 9, Daug, Scholar
George Percy Lewis Fox, 7, Son, Scholar
John Wm Bernard Fox, 6, Son, Scholar
H C BENTLEY, 29, Boarder, Unm, Watchmaker, Wales
Trish :)
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There must be some family connection to Derbyshire ???
John Rodwell Yates is born there and his sister Mary Rodwell Fox's death is reg there also.
Mary Rodwell FOX
December 1899
Chesterfield 7b 438
Age 50
I looked for a death as I couldnt find her in 1901 Census.
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Trish you really are remarkable! I just can't believe it, so much in such a short time and I've been trying to find even a snippett for about 200 years (or so it seems). Thank you again
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Ok, they have moved to Derbyshire so that is why Mary died there.
1901 Census
13 Lower Grove Road
Chesterfield, Derbyshire
RG13/3248/177/39
George FOX, 43, Head, Widow, Railway Clek, born Cambs,Thorney
Mary H R Fox, 19, Daug, Unm
George P L Fox, 17, Son, Unm, Grocers Asst
John W B Fox, 16, Son, Unm, Post Office Clerk
Kezia R GRICE, 39, Sister in law, born New Fitton, Hunts
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Flattery will get you everywhere :)
Thought as may as well find something on other sibling Thomas Yates.
I havent found him in 1871 but you have him 1851/1861.
By 1881 he has married and is in Hunts also
1881 Census
Woodville House, Palmerston Road
Woodstone, Huntingdonshire
RG11/1595/61/13
Thomas YATES, 33, Head, Mar, Railway Clerk, born Leicestershire
Caroline R Yates,37, Wife, Mar, born Chatteris, Cambs
Thos.J R Yates, 6, Son, born Fletton, Hunts
Rosa C Yates, 4, Daug, born Woodstone, Hunts
Eliza SMITH, 83, Boarder, widow, annuitant, born Peterborough, Northants
Marriage;
Thomas YATES
Caroline Rosa CLARKE
December 1873, Peterbro', 3b 527
Thats all for tonight .
Just ask if you need any other Census info for John or anyone else.
I'll look for Kezia Grice, their half sister tomorrow
trish :)
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I havent found him in 1871
Still at home
1871
RG10/1516 99 17
Woodstone, Huntingdonshire
South Houses and Grocer's Shop
James Grice, head, 57, Railway Engine Driver, b. Lancashire Warrington
Mary, wife, 47, b. Leics Frisby
James, son, unm, 27, Railway Engine Driver, b. Mddx Hampstead
Mary A, dau, 19, Goods Deliverer?, b. Fletton
Matthew, son, 11, scholar, b. do.
Kezia, dau, 9, scholar, b. do.
Robert, son, 8, scholar, b. do.
Joseph, son, 6, scholar, b. do.
Richard, son, 4, scholar, b. do.
John Yates, son in law (=stepson), unm, 25, Railway Engine (something), b. Leics Belgrave (I think!)
Thomas Yates, son in law, unm, 24, (something) Goods Clerk, b. Leicester
Mary R Yates, dau in law, unm, 21, Shop Keeper, b. do.
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Thanks Tati :)
And you found Kezia too.
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Thanks Trish for all your help think you need a whole week off to recover now lol.
Oh thanks to you too Tatti ! I feel pretty special now with both of you helping me. What a great day today!!!!
xxx
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Are you OK with Henry on the other censuses?
1871
RG10/3270 129 24
Leicester St Margarets
14 Fox Street
Emma Clifford, head, wid, 32, b. Leicesters Thurnley
Agnes, dau, 5, scholar, b. Leicesters Hungatton?
Henry Yates (no relationship shown), unm, 17, Booking Clerk, b. Leicesters Church Greasly
1881
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07i3/
RG11/1596 8 10
Boy! What an amazing number of children!! :P
(+ the 3 seen on earlier censuses! I'm afraid Archibald had died in 1899)
1901
RG13/2998 117 2
Leicester Formerly North Evington
Skelbourne St
Henry R Yates, head, 47, Builder Merchant Traveller, b. Derby Gresley
Lousa, wife, 47, b. Leicester
Ada R, dau, s, 29, Tailoress, b. do.
Harry B, son, s, 25, Painter Decorator, b. do.
Beatrice m, dau, s, 24, b. Staffs Walsall
Tom H, son, 18, Clerk to Coal Merchant, b. Norths Peterborough
Horace C, son, 17, Clerk to Cardboard Box Manufacturer, b. do.
Kate L, dau, 16, (something) Assistant in Shoe Factory, b. do.
John C, son, 14, Office Boy, b. do.
Annie I, dau, 13, Dressmakers Apprentice, b. do.
Bernard S, son, 10, b. Leicester
Winifred M, dau, 9, b. do.
Gertrude 0, dau, 7, b. do.
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Have you got this?
Marriage Dec 1871 Leicester 7a 495
Henry Yates to possibly Louisa Blockley
(their son George was George Blockley Yates, registered Mar 1880 Peterborough)
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Oh Crikey it was rumoured he had 21 children but I suspect some of them must have been counted twice!
I think I'm going to need a big book for mum's pressie, he just wont believe her eyes.
I'm going to make sure both your names are in it to as "The most helpful people ever"
xxx
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21 - Blimey!! :o
The 1911 census would tell you the number of children they had. (Nodoby's allowed to do look-ups, sorry!) www.1911census.co.uk
Who are you descended from? I see Harry Beaumont marries an Elizabeth Scarratt in 1903. Children Gladys May born 18 May 1904, George born 19 April 1908 and William Ronald 21 Feb 1917 according to his army records.
(Happy to help btw, no need to mention me on your pressie! ;D)
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Harry Beaumont is my great grandfather, his son George Harry was my grandfather. ;D
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How on earth did you see William' army records! I thought you had to apply to the home office or something (told you I was a numpty)
My brother was given the middle name of Beaumont after g. grandad but we don't know where it came from, maybe we'll find out at some point!
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Oops, sorry - it's Harry's WWI Army records that are accessible, not William's (which would be WWII)
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Not getting anywhere quickly with the Beaumont name but I think I know where Archibald had his middle name Lee from ...
Remember Louisa's maiden name was Blockley
1861
RG9/2287 38 7
Leicester St Margaret
Wharf St
John Blockley, head, 37, Tailor, b. Claybrook Leicestershire
Sophia, wife, 38, Milliner & Dress Maker, b. Hinckley Leicestershire
Emma J, dau, 14, scholar, b. Leicester
Priscilla, dau, 11, scholar, b. Claybrook Leicestershire
Louisa, dau, 7, scholar, b. Leicester
Mary A Bradshaw, visitor, unm, 19, Shoe Binder, b. Leicester
Marriage Jun 1844 Leicester 15 118
John Blockley to possibly Sophia Lee
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Extracted IGI christening (from www.familysearch.org)
John Blockly
25 May 1825
Claybrook, Leicestershire
parents Joseph and Hannah
other children christened to Joseph and Hannah Blockley in the same batch:
Richard, 12 Apr 1814
Charles, 23 Nov 1817
Joseph, 5 Mar 1820
The only marriage I can see on the IGI for a John Blockley to a Hannah is:
Joseph Blockley - Hannah Brooks
23 Nov 1804, Claybrook, Leicester
Not Hannah Beaumont then!
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Lol nope although i suppose it start with a 'B'.
Re Army records didn't know you could access any service records!
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Possibly not on Sophia Lee's side either ...
1841 census
HO107/601/3 35 20
Hinckley, Leicestershire
Back Lane
Thomas Lee, 50, Stocking M
Mary, 50
Sophia, 15
Maria, 15
All born Leicestershire
(ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census)
Possible marriage (if Thomas and Mary were in fact about 55)
Thomas Lee - Mary Harrold
25 Oct 1805 Hinckley
Yet again not a Beaumont.
(These are just possibles, really, you'd obvioulsy need certs to back up the findings)
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Yes, of course, you're right although they do all seem to fit, just like a never ending jigsaw.
How long have you been doing this?
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Are you asking because we seem to be progressing quickly? It's not so much a matter of expertise as of what is quickly available and above all identifiable online - in your case you're lucky to research pretty uncommon names! :D
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Well I just can't believe how quickly you acces all the info. I started tracing our tree 25 years ago and on my father's side it seemed so easy but then trying to follow the maternal links was a nightmare. I just don't know how you managed to follow the thread???
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Not too complicated, was it?
Was Elizabeth Scarratt born ca. 1880?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07i6/
RG11/3163 82 26
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Wow Tati you have been busy ;D.
I am just checking in on thread.
Marriage;
Richard SCARRATT
September 1870
Basford
7b 193
On same page Ann THORLEY
They cut it fine, Arthur was reg Dec 1870.
Here is Richard with his parents;
1861 Census
Caverswall, Staffordshire
RG9/1952/85/5
George SCARRATT, 60, head, Mar, Small Farmer, born Stoke upon Trent, Staffs
Mary, 55, Wife, Mar, born Caverswall
Charles, 28, Son, Mar, Farm Lab, born Caverswall
Harriett, 16, Daug, Unm, Caverswall
Mary A, 13, Daug, Unm, Caverswall
RICHARD, 14, Son, Unm, Caverswall
Francis LEA, 8, Grandson, born Cheddington
from 1851 Census under Scarritt;
HO107/2009/294/13
George SKARRATT, 49
Mary, 46
Ann, 15
Alfred, 13
Henry, 11
Elizabeth, 9
Harriet, 7
RICHD, 5
Mary A, 3
1841 Census ( under SCARROT)
Coyneys Grove ( could be Cogneys)
Caversall, Staffordshire
HO107/1003/11/Caverswall
George SKARRATT, 40, Farmer
Mary, 35
Elizabeth, 13
George, 11
CHARLES, 9
Ann, 7
Alfred, 5
Hannah, 3
Henry, 1
All born in County.
This matches as son Charles reappears in 1861 Census.
So looking for a Marriage about 1826 before Elizabeth is born. Unfortunately I cant find one with my resources.
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There is only 1 Ann THORLEY born abt 1850 reg in Basford. Census shows born Greasey, Notts, which is Basford reg district.
You would need the Marriage cert to confirm her Father.
1851 Census ( under Thornley)
HO107/2125/184/32
Greasley, Notts
James THORLEY, 48, Head, Mar, Ag Lab, born Cossall, Notts
Lydia , 45, Wife
John, 22
Sarah, 16
Samuel, 5
ANN, 1
All born Greasley except James
1841 Census
Greasley, Notts
HO107/857/5/Greasley
James THORLEY, 37, Ag Lab
Lydia, 30
John, 13
Sarah, 6
George, 1
All born in County
1861 Census
Greasley, Notts
RG9/2434/25/19
Lydia THORLEY, 53, head, Widow, Charwoman, born Greasey
Samuel, 15, Son, Unm, Coal Lab born Greasey
ANN, 11, Daug, Unm, Scholar, born Greasey
+ 1 boarder
Marriage from IGI at Familysearch;
James THORLEY
Lydia LIMB
11 August 1828, Greasley, Nottingham
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Woohoo!
I do remember the name Thorley from my conversations with my grandmother.
Thank you yet again for all your help ;D
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Thanks to all who responded to Annmoo's requests re. Henry Rodwell Yates.
I am a Great-Grandson of HRY and found your conversations on the internet when starting investigations
on him. I am the grandson of Horace C Yates and the son of Kenneth R C Yates. HRY's Leicester addresses are both on the edge roads of Spinney Hill Park - at that time one of the very best addresses on the fringe of rapidly expanding Leicester. I too was told by my father he had had 21 children but have only so far found 14 surviving to censuses.
Annmoo: Can I be of help on this corner of HRYs enormous brood ! ? You're descended from
(Harry) Beaumont Yates ?
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Welcome to Rootschat Anthony :)
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Yay I have a living relative here on Roots!!!! Hi Anthony.
I have actually got all 21 names of the children but I am always hungry for information on the family. I grew up around Spinney Hill and knew that we had family dotted all around there. I do get a little confused at times as to who is full or half blood related lol. Mum always talks with great affection of her grandfather Harry Beaumont and she tells me that her great decorating skills came from watching him at work. She even named my brother Gary 'Beaumont' Mills. I do remember my mum's half sister Linda who I occasionally see and who gave me some wonderful photographs of great grandparents and great aunts. I know that my grandmother Annie and her husband split up in 1944 and he moved in with the lady who later became his second wife (Linda's mum). Apparently they only lived a few doors away in Earl Howe Street.
We will definitely have to share info although I don't know the best way to do that. Any ideas??
Annie xxx
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Hello Cousin Annie !
Your Mum who must have been impressed is my 2nd cousin and you my 2nd cousin once removed if I understand these things correctly.
Are you in Nottingham or Leicester or where ? I'm in Evington Leicester about 1.5 miles from Spinney Hill.
I'm trying to send you a Personal Message with my Email address ( but failing). I'm very new to Rootschat as well as Ancestry Research,would it help if you sent one to me ? Are you on email ?
Horace Charles Yates lived Mostyn St off Evington Rd but died 1937 so I never knew him. Dad was always v proud of HRYand the Rodwell link , said he had 2 houses for all the children.
HCY had Phillip (moved to Sheffield),Kenneth(dad),and the 3 beautiful sisters Mary,Marion and Margaret all sadly now passed away. I got into this through investigating maternal side after GGgrandfathers will was discovered in an attic and was published in Burton Mail. Maternal side lived Oakthorpe about 2 miles from Ch Gresley tho parents met Leicester. Love to know about the other 7 kids - never seen photos only of HCY who was just 4 foot 11 ! Hope we can get in touch.
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Hey cousin I received your message and have emailed you ;D
I will get my wizz kid daughter to scan the photos and email them to you. Some of them look like an episode of a Victorian drama!
Although I'm a Grannie now I feel like Mike and Wendy (Diddymiller) are the 'parents' of the Leicester forum, all knowing, all seeing, experts on anything to do with Leicestershire families and the rest of the crew are so helpful so if ever we get stuck we can always ask for help on here ;)
Annie xxx
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Hi again Annie.
Hope you and your Mum well and surviving Leicester's Arctic Spring !
Still interested in names of Henry Rodwell/Louisa Yates' 7 deceased children
if you have info to hand.
Thanks & Regards ------- Anthony
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Hi
Thank you very much
Just started to look for info on my family and found all this
John William Bernard Fox on 1891 census was my grandfather
Barbara