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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: claire88 on Monday 16 November 09 14:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi there,
I am trying to do a family tree and want some general information on the Flatman family in Norfolk/Suffolk.
I am currently looking at my Grandfathers side of the family.
His name was Donald Flatman born in Norfolk married Joyce Ellen.
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Donald Frank C Flatman ? Born c1900 ?
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No born 4th August 1925.
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hmmm, cant match 1925 in Norfolk .... can show you a 3Q (Jul-Aug-Sep) entry for 1924 Norwich District - mothers maiden name Hipperson tho ?
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There is a marriage for a Donald Flatman to Joyce E. Gammons in the September quarter of 1942 at Norwich. Is this them? If so, he was only around 17 if born in 1925!
Annette
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A Donald Flatman birth was registered in the Jun quarter of 1924 at Downham district, Norfolk which would fit in with an April birthday - mothers maiden name is Rolfe. Could you be a year out with his birth?
If so, marriages show a Wilfred H. Flatman married Ivy Rolfe in the Dec.qtr. 1923 at Downham, Norfolk.
Annette
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Apologies - just realised it was August birthday not April. Ignore me.
Annette
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From the information in the obituaries on the Internet (died 18 June 2009) the following appears to be the correct birth entry:
FLATMAN Donald J. 4b 244 Norwich Sep 1924 qtr (mother - Hipperson)
Presumably he was, therefore, born on 4 August 1924 (not 1925).
Nigel
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Hi Nigal,
Yes thats correct...
I'm lost after then...trying to trace his parents.
Unforuantly as my Grandfather and Grandmother passed away this year I never had a chance to discuss this with them.
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I think I may have found the marriage of Donald's parents.
There is no marriage in the index for a Flatman marrying a Hipperson - so, I then looked just for marriages in the name of Hipperson and found:
Enid A. A. Hipperson married Jack E. Flackman in the Mar. quarter of 1924 at Norwich. This seemed somewhat of a coincidence i.e. Flackman and so I searched for the birth of a Jack E Flackman and no so person exists but there are 2 Jack E. Flatman's. I can only think when the marriage details were transcribed for the index that a mistake was made and that the surname should actually read FLATMAN.
The 2 Jack Flatman's births are:
Jack Esgate Flatman b.Dec. quarter 1901 Loddon, Norfolk
Jack Edward Flatman b.Jun. quarter 1901 Mutford, Suffolk.
There is a marriage for a Jack E. Flatman in Mutford in 1924 and would hazard a guess that this was Jack Edward and that your Jack is the one born in Loddon.
Unless other relatives can confirm any of the above details your only sure way of knowing you are on the right track is by getting Donald's birth certificate.
The Enid A. A. Hipperson was Enid Alexandra A. Hipperson, birth reg'd Sept.qtr. 1902 at Forehoe, Norfolk
The births index show a total of 10 Flatman births with mother Hipperson all at Norwich:
Donald J. Sept. 1924
Irene F. Jun. 1926
Elsie M. Dec. 1928
Jack F. Sept. 1930
Edward W. Jun. 1932
David B. Jun. 1934
Marshall G. Mar. 1936
Peter M. Dec. 1939
Elizabeth M. Jun. 1942
Joyce E. Jun. 1944
Annette
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Sending you a P.M. re. 1911 Census.
Annette
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Hi all,
Also looking for family details for a Joyce Ellen Flatman - maiden name Gammons.
Born: 30th July 1924 (I think that the correct yr of birth)
I know she was an only child.
Wanting details her her parents and further back than that if possible
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Hi Claire,
This may be the birth:
GAMMONS Joyce E. St.Neots 3b 431 Sep 1923 qtr (mother's name STONE)
This may be the marriage of her parents:
GAMMONS Ernest H. St.Neots 3b 711 Dec 1922 qtr
STONE Florence
Birth of Ernest H. GAMMONS:
GAMMONS Ernest Harry Huntingdon 3b 275 Sep 1895 qtr
Nigel
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Birth day is definatly 30th July and I think it is 1923
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Hi Claire,
That would agree with the information found.
The 1901 Census provides the following information:
RG13; Piece: 1473; Folio: 8; Page: 8
Buckworth All Saints, Huntingdonshire
Walter Gammons Head 29 Gardener on farm Spaldwick, Hunts
Emily Gammons Wife 38 Woolley, Hunts
Ernest Gammons Son 5 Buckworth, Hunts
Rose Gammons Dau 8 Barham, Hunts
William Gammons Son 15 Labourer teamster Woolley, Hunts
Edward Bird Boarder 40 Labourer (agr) Woolley, Hunts
Marriage - Dec 1891qtr Huntingdon 3b 652
BIRD Emma
GAMMONS Walter
Birth of Walter -
GAMMONS Walter Carrington Huntingdon 3b 283 Mar 1871 qtr.
Nigel