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Research in Other Countries => Immigrants & Emigrants - General => Topic started by: BAE on Sunday 15 November 09 21:10 GMT (UK)
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An Edward T Roberts b abt 1807 in St.Thomas, West Indies, was in the Coast Guard in Sussex and lived in the area from about 1834 until his death between 1871-1881. He had two sons named Edward, the second born about 1853 who may be my g-grandfather who emigrated to New York in 1880's. He appears in 1861 and 1871 English census, in the latter as a journeyman baker, but most men in the family were mariners.
In New York State census of 1892, Edward Roberts is shown with wife, Eliz, and daughters Edildra, Lillie, Emma and Emily. All are shown as having been born in England except my grandmother, Emily, who was born in New York. All in family were listed as citizens except Edward who was listed as an alien, and whose occupation was engineer. Family lore was that he, too, was a mariner
I believe that the second Edward son of Edward T is the same as the Edward in the 1892 NY State census but have been unable to establish that unequivocally. Any suggestions? ???
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Hello Are you connected with a Henry and Mary Roberts in Rye Sussex especially the 1806 birth. My family were maritime Mary Roberts was the widow of Richard Clark when she married Henry Roberts in 1802 Thanks LizR
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Not that I am aware off. I know nothing about the family of Edward T Roberts born about 1807 in St Thomas West Indies--there could be a connection there.
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Do you have the marriage certificate for Edward to Elizabeth? Where does the name Edildra come from? Very unusual. I see Edward T lived in Newhaven. It might be worth a post on the Sussex board so that Petmas picks it up as he is involved with the maritime museum at Newhaven.
Regards
Andrea
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The only connection I have of Edward and Eliz(abeth) is a listing in the 1892 Kings (Brooklyn) New York Census--link as follows:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07n0/
Although both shown as born in England and three of four children were born in England, I have not found any marriage certificate or birth certificates of the children.
As for Edildra, I believe the same person is listed in the same 1892 Brooklyn Census, the 1900, 1910, 1920, and 1930 US Census as "Edildra", "Tilly", "Matilda", "Ethaldria", and "Ethelda", respectively. By 1900, she had married Hugh Smith. I did come across a Ethel Hilda born in England about the right time, but in checking the birthcertificate, it's a different person.
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You mention "Edildra, Lillie, Emma and Emily" but in the 1892 census I can only see Edildra (15), Lillie (13), Emma (11) with the family and Emily (8) is in a different listing (although on the same page as the other girls). It seems odd (unless she was staying with the neighbours?)
What happened to Emily in the later censuses? I can't see the family in other censuses together.
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No explanation on the placement on the census form. My conclusions result solely from the fact that Edward, Eliz, Ethildra and Lillie all appear on the same facing pages
But I have a census of my grandmother and half-uncle living with Ethildra and Hugh in 1910 in NY, and Elizabeth (mother) living with Ethildra in 1920 in NY, plus family pictures of "Aunt Lil". I am reasonable certain of the composition of the family, but there is no colloborative evidence on Emma.
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So the mother Elizabeth was still in NY in 1920? (I'm presuming widowed by then). Where on earth are they hiding in 1900, I wonder.
http://www.stevemorse.org/vital/nymarriages.html?index=bride
- Lillie could be the Lilian Roberts who married Thomas F. Webster in 1899 (can't spot them in 1900?)
I would suggest you try and find the death records/obituaries for Emma and Ethildra, also if you can spot one for the mother Elizabeth. What you really need is something that lists Elizabeth's maiden name.
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/48571/mb.ashx
- from here the mother remarried, and one of the daughters married a "Jerome Gross" at some point.
White Plains is in Westchester Co and although I can't access the full details it appears a Jerome and Laura Gross are living there in 1920
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this could be your Edward seniors death
Deaths Mar 1878 Roberts Edward age 66 Lewes 2b 134
age is slightly out but remember that was what the informant believed the deceased to be.
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In 1900 in Brooklyn, where I believe they lived, there is an Elizabeth Roberts, widow, and born in England, living with an "Amelia" Roberts-born in New York who might be my grandmother, Emily. In 1920 census a Elizabeth Forks, Forus, or Forbes (census is illegible) is living with Hugh and Etheldra and is listed as mother in law. I believe she remarried after the death of Edward, and her second husband died, also.
I have used the New York City vital records division to try to find either the birth certificate or marriage certificate of my grandmother, but turned up nothing. From divorce records, and other records, I know she was born in NYC and her first marriage was in NYC.
Finding something on Ethildra will be difficult because of the many variations of her name.
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what are the exact details from the census for the people you are following i.e. names age and p.o.b
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The first post contains the particulars, except that the Edward I'm interested in was born in Birling Gap, Sussex. The 1861 and 1871 census only list him as a child in the family. The next record I have of all of them is the 1892 Brooklyn, Kings, New York Census. US or State census records would only list country of birth, which is England as stated, except for my grandmother, Emily, who was born in NYC. Edward was listed on the Eastbourne birth registration v 2b p 47 for Mar 1853.
The questions for which I have no answers are: 1)is the Edwards Roberts born in Birling Gap and appearing in the English census of 1861 and 1871, the same Edward Roberts born in England appearing in the 1892 Brooklyn, Kings, New York Census, 2)what was his wife, Eliz(abeth) maiden name and when did they get married in England (assuming so, because their first 3 children were born in England).
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if you purchase one of the childrens birth certificates this should tell you the mmn.
when did Edward first appear at Birling Gap ?
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Have not been able to find specifically where the kids were born in England, and therefore not found any birth registration from which to get a birth certificate.
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that is why i wanted to know what it said on the census for the childrens ages and p.o.b
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Edward Roberts (b. 1807) was my G.G.G. Grandfather.
He married Jane Sarah Wade in 1834. I believe he had 9 children:
Edward (b 1837)
William (b. 1841)
Ann Harriett (b. 1844)
Emma (b. 1845)
Clara (b. 1846)
Frederick (b. 1850)
John (b. 1852)
Edward (b. 1854)
His youngest daughter Catherine Elizabeth (b.1856 in Birling Gap) was my G.G. Grandmother. She married Samuel Lovick Johnson in 1877 in Eastbourne in Sussex. I have copies of both her birth certificate and marriage certificate. Her father is a "Naval Officer".
Hope this helps...sorry it took me so long to find this thread!
Glen
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Always welcome additional information. It turns out Edwards Roberts was my grandmother's step-father, not real father. However, I'm still interested in determining whether Edward who appears in a Brooklyn, NY census is the same Edward I discovered in Birling Gap.
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Edward T Roberts was my great great grandfather. Any information you need about the family I am happy to give you
fleur
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Do any of the descendants of Edward T Roberts know of the fate of his son, Edward, born 1854--in particular, did he migrate to New York and marry an Elizabeth. There exists a NYC census that shows an Edward Roberts born about 1854 in England whose occupation was engineer and I believe him to be my grandmother's stepfather.
BAE
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I have a book here (Penzance in Cornwall), Uncle Tom's Cabin, which I just bought, basically for the age of print 1853. Plus, I always love the personal inscriptions sometimes found in the inside cover. This particular inscription caught my attention: Emma Roberts, presented by her nephew, Edward Thomas, August 19, 1853.
First, I noticed the date written in the American order.
The next curious thing, when I Googled the names, were that Emma Roberts and Edward Thomas which appear linked in your published family tree.
I am just wondering, given the names relation, and dates, if I could have a Roberts - Thomas heirloom here?
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HI James,
Welcome to RootsChat
That sounds quite exciting. Hope BAE can return to see your message.
The original poster BAE (who lives in the USA) has not been online since 20 June 2014, if they are not receiving notifications of the thread Sarah (owner/administrator) would be able to let you know.
Sandra
Edit 1914 - to 2014 :-\
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Well I may be old, but it wasn't me who signed on in 1914--maybe 2014.
James, I am impressed by your sleuthing. Although, I have both Emma Roberts and Edward Thomas in my tree on ancestry.com, I don't believe they are related. They are there simply as a research aid to follow clues I may have dug up.
As to Edward Roberts (1854-1912), I have traced him to Somerville, Massachusetts, USA where he had a family. Also not far from his older brother William (1839-1912) who lived in Provincetown, Massachusetts, USA.
Still no definite answers as to the Edward Roberts in the 1892 NY census.
Barry Edwards
Portland, Oregon, USA