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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: malw77 on Saturday 14 November 09 17:37 GMT (UK)
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Hi! I'm trying to find the parents of Ann Collyer b. abt 1825 in Melbourne. She married William Tivey in Dec 1844 in Melbourne, and according to the certificate her father was James Collyer, shoemaker. I can only find one James Collyer in Melbourne in the 1841 census who was a shoemaker; he was married to Anna and had several children, but no Ann, who I haven't yet been able to trace in 1841.
In later censuses I can only find James and Hannah Collyer, not James and Anna, so I'm thinking that maybe Anna was a spelling error, and it should have been Hannah? However, that doesn't help me to prove that they are Ann's parents.
On Family Search I found the birth of William Collyer on 8 Jan 1801 in Melbourne, parents James Collyer and Hannah Peat. I'm wondering if they are the James and Hannah I found in the censuses and if they could also be the parents of Ann Collyer, though Hannah would have been about 47 when she had Ann. William was a shoemaker in 1841 and later.
I've been in touch with the Derbyshire Records Office but they couldn't find a baptism/christening record for Ann Collyer in the 1820s, only William Collyer in 1801.
I've now reached a brickwall and thought I might ask on these forums for any suggestions, or if someone knows anything about the Collyers of Melbourne.
Thank you! :)
Mal
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Hannah Collyer is listed in the Parish Council cemetery records as being aged 82 when she died in 1861. She was listed as being the wife of James Collyer and buried in plot 1005, she is listed as living in 'New York' a now demolished area in the town. She was buried on 3rd July 1861.
There was an Ann Jane Collyer who died aged 63 in January 1890 plot 536 that could match?
Ann Tivey buried 8th November 1897 aged 71 of Victoria Street Melbourne plot 1286 is perhaps a better bet.
William Tivey buried 13th May 1886 aged 65 plot 1281 was listed a a 'Merchant' the plot numbers are close together, and the numbering at Melbourne is not always sequential.
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This site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blanchec/EMidBaps.htm
has baptist records transcribed. As you said, William is a loner but there are other Collyer family groups.
You could try looking at Baptist chaples in the surrounding area. Or, in case the parents change to C of E or other non-denominational then try them. Since she doesn't seem to be in the IGI you could try looking at places that are not on the IGI - though that is tricky if you are working long distance.
Have you tried looking for the children of James/Ann that you find in the 1841 census? Are they baptised anywhere?
Do the witnesses for the Collyer/Tivey marriage help at all?
(Sorry if you have tried all these!)
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Hi! Thanks for the replies
Hannah Collyer is listed in the Parish Council cemetery records as being aged 82 when she died in 1861. She was listed as being the wife of James Collyer and buried in plot 1005, she is listed as living in 'New York' a now demolished area in the town. She was buried on 3rd July 1861.
I have the death certificate for Hannah Collyer. She did indeed die in 1861, on 1st July, in Moira Street, New York, Melbourne, of "Old age". It states she was the wife of James Collyer, Cordwainer, and the informant was Hannah Chetwyn who was present at the death. I found Hannah Chetwyn in the 1861, aged 50. She lived with her family in Hastings Street, New York, Melbourne, but I can't find a connection other than being a friend and neighbour. I do wish that they had shown the maiden name of females on death certificates, as they do now, it would be so much help!
Ann Tivey buried 8th November 1897 aged 71 of Victoria Street Melbourne plot 1286 is perhaps a better bet.
William Tivey buried 13th May 1886 aged 65 plot 1281 was listed a a 'Merchant' the plot numbers are close together, and the numbering at Melbourne is not always sequential.
Ann Collyer Tivey died on 3 Nov 1897 and was buried in Pack Horse Road Cemetery along with her husband William. I visited there a few years ago and have a photograph of the headstone. William was a Machine Builder or Warp Machine Maker in all the census records, so not sure where 'Merchant' comes from.
To Gardener: I had already looked into the witnesses of Ann Collyer and William Tivey's marriage, but they didn't help with Ann as they were both from the Tivey family - Thomas Tivey, William's younger brother, and Sarah Grice nee Tivey, William's older half-sister. They were married in the Parish Church of Melbourne, but not sure if that's any help with where Ann herself was christened. Derbyshire Records Office didn't find anything in their research for me.
I've searched the IGI but there are no christenings or births for any of James and Hannah's children, and they may not even be Ann's parents! Unfortunately I didn't find anything on the website you sent me the link to, apart from the birth/baptism of William Collyer b.1801, and all his children. I'm not sure where I go from here. :'(
Thanks again for your help!
Mal
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Hi
The Derby Mercury Wednesday, September 8, 1830
LAND AND HOUSES
AT KING’S NEWTON & MELBOURNE
TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION BY Mr. RICKARD
At the house of Mrs. Warren, the New Inn, in Melbourne, in the county of derby, on Monday the 20th day of September instant, at 5 o’clock in the evening precisely, subject to such conditions as shall be then produced;
LOT 1
All that close of ancient inclosed Freehold Land, situate at King’s Newton, in the county of Derby, called Middle Blakemore, containing one acre and two roods or thereabouts, in the occupation of James Collyer.
According to Derby Mercury: Wednesday, July 4, 1866
On Wednesday 27th ult., at Melbourne, Mr. James Collyer in his 95th year of his age.
In 1825, according to the same newspaper, there was a Joseph Tivey, George Tivey and james Tivey, living in Melbourne.
Tom
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Hi Tom!
Thanks for the info, it's very interesting. Does the Derby Mercury have online access to its archives? Many of my ancestors lived in Melbourne, so it would be great to be able to find out more about them.
Thanks again for taking the time to find the articles.
Mal :)
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Mal
The answer is yes, have sent you a PM.
Tom
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Hi
The Derby Mercury Wednesday, September 8, 1830
LAND AND HOUSES
AT KING’S NEWTON & MELBOURNE
TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION BY Mr. RICKARD
At the house of Mrs. Warren, the New Inn, in Melbourne, in the county of derby, on Monday the 20th day of September instant, at 5 o’clock in the evening precisely, subject to such conditions as shall be then produced;
LOT 1
All that close of ancient inclosed Freehold Land, situate at King’s Newton, in the county of Derby, called Middle Blakemore, containing one acre and two roods or thereabouts, in the occupation of James Collyer.
According to Derby Mercury: Wednesday, July 4, 1866
On Wednesday 27th ult., at Melbourne, Mr. James Collyer in his 95th year of his age.
In 1825, according to the same newspaper, there was a Joseph Tivey, George Tivey and james Tivey, living in Melbourne.
Tom
Hi All
Just found this thread and noticed the reference(s) to Peat [Hannah Peat].
I am also following a Peat line that looks to have originated in Melbourne, Derby. I am thinking the Mrs Warren mentioned in this newspaper article might have been Mrs Catherine Warren [nee Peat] or it would be an uncanny coincidence if not so ;) Is there anyone who can anyone confirm that Mrs Warren was Catherine [nee Peat] and also if she was the daughter of William and Ann Peat and grand-daughter of William and Catherine Peat.
My Peat lot ended up in Fulwood, Upper Hallam, and also Dore [Derbyshire...but was very close to Fulwood].
Just wondering if anyone else reading or contributing to this thread is following the line of William and Catherine [nee Turner] Peat and their descendants.
Thanks..
Regards
Jules
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Jules,
Throughout the 19th century, The New Inn, at Melbourne, was used by various auction houses as to the venue at to which to sell property. The Inn was also used to hold inquests, and meetings of all sorts, all reported in the Derby Mercury. For a long time the Inn was owned by the Warren family.
In 1811, on 30th April, a sale was advertised at the New Inn Melbourne, the house of a James Warren.
On Wednesday, March 26, 1823, the newspaper advertised:
TO BE SOLD by Auction at the house of Mrs. Ann Warren, the New Inn, in Melbourne, in the County of Derby, on Wednesday 2nd of April next at 3 0’clock in the afternoon, in such lots as shall be agreed…….various lots of property.
In 1832, the New Inn was known as Mrs. Warren’s.
On Wednesday 17, 1841, a marriage was announced between Samuel Warren of the New Inn, Melbourne and Fanny Gregory, daughter of a local farmer in Stanton.
On Wednesday, September 22, 1875, Messrs Oliver, Newbold, and Oliver respectfully give notice that they are instructed by Mr. Warren of the New Inn, Melbourne (who is retiring) to Sell by Auction, on the premises, the 27th and 28th September, 1875 the whole of the contents of the said Inn.
However, after Mr. Warren's retirement the Inn is still used to hold auctions.
I can't find a connection between Catherine Warren and the Peat family, however there are numerous reports regarding the Peat surname in Melbourne, Alderwasley, and Duffield. Even that area of land sold at the New Inn in 1830, seems to be mentioned earlier in possession of a Joseph Peat, it was sold at the White Hart Inn, Duffield in 1805.
Tom
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Hi Jules,
I am also following a Peat line that looks to have originated in Melbourne, Derby. I am thinking the Mrs Warren mentioned in this newspaper article might have been Mrs Catherine Warren [nee Peat] or it would be an uncanny coincidence if not so Is there anyone who can anyone confirm that Mrs Warren was Catherine [nee Peat] and also if she was the daughter of William and Ann Peat and grand-daughter of William and Catherine Peat.
Hannah Peat, who married James Collyer, was the daughter of William and Susannah Peat, according to the baptism of William, their son, in 1801. I'd be interested to know if they are part of your Peat family.
Mal :)
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Hi Tom and Hi Mal...
Tom....thanks for the information on the New Inn and the Warren family.
You mentioned numerous reports on the Peat family of Melbourne.
.....however there are numerous reports regarding the Peat surname in Melbourne, Alderwasley, and Duffield. ...
Tom
.....are you aware of any reports in which Millers of the surname Peat were mentioned?
Tom, Mal and others following this thread.......
William Peat [born about 1750 [estimate] or may have been earlier], at the time of his marriage to Catherine Turner [25/02/1771 Melbourne....ref: Philmore's volume 8] was a Miller. I don't yet know who his siblings were but he must have had a few and they may have been connected with milling/farming. Not sure who his parents were either.
Not certain but I think William's and Catherine's son William [born 1774 Melbourne] may have had a grand-daughter Catherine who married an Henry Warren 21/04/1825 in Melbourne. This marriage is an extracted record. The problem is Catherine Jnr's birth [1802] is a patron submission as is the marriage of her mother and father: William Peat [son of Wm & Cath. who married in 1771] and Ann Manfull [apparently married Tickenhall 1798].
William and Catherine who married in 1771 look to have had the following children [IGI .....these are 'extracted' records]:
George 1772, William 1774, James 1776, Ann 1778, Mary 1780 and Henry 1783.
Other than this not sure who is related to who at around this time period in and around Melbourne, Derbyshire. Plus not sure if that marriage for William Jnr and Ann Manfull is correct as it was a patron submission, as was the birth record for their daughter Catherine [1802].
If anyone can shed any more light on any of these lines I would be grateful.
Regards
Jules
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Jules
Is this what you mean?
Derby Mercury 10th June 1800: On Friday the 29th August last, 1800, Robert Peat, of Melbourne, in this county, Baker, was convicted before the Magistrates at the County-hall in Derby, in the full penalty of 20s., for having sold a six-penny Loaf of Household Bread deficient in weight four ounces according to the assize of bread set throughout the County of Derby for the week.-At the same time the said Robert Peat was also convicted in the further penalty of 20s., for not having marked the said loaf with the Roman letter H.
Thursday, April 1, 1819:
To Be sold by AUCTION by Mr. Mason
At the house of Mr. Charles Dunnicliff, the Swan Inn, in Melbourne, in the County of Derby, on Monday the 5th day of April next, at 4 o’clock in the afternoon, subject to such conditions of sale as will be then and there produced:
Two Closes of Land in the Parish of Melbourne aforesaid, adjoining each other, and containing 5A, 5R, 28P (5 acres 5 roods, 28 perches) or thereabouts, and now in the occupation of Mr. Wm Peat, Miller. The possession may be immediately had. Mr. Peat will shew the premises; and for further particulars enquire of Mr. CANTRELL, Solicitor, King’s Newton. 26th March, 1819
August 14, 1850: Thomas Peat of Melbourne charged with stealing of one pair of stockings the property of William Ward. (Committed to Derby Gaol)
April 16, 1856 On the 10th inst.,at St. Martin’s church, Birmingham, by the Rev. T. Hodgens, Mr. John Harper, gun-lock manufacturer, of Darlaston, Staffordshire, to Susannah, third daughter of Mr. James Peat, builder, Melbourne, Derbyshire.
There was a William Peat at the Royal Oak Inn, Ockbrook, but that looks to be quite a way from Melbourne.
Tom
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Hi Tom
Not aware of any of the name Robert or Thomas Peat in my own lines but the 2nd article you mentioned [re: Wm Peat the Miller] may be significant.... perhaps ;)
Thanks for that.
Regards
Jules
:)
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Hi
I'm new to roots chat so bear with me... am also interested in accessing the Derby Mercury online, if that's possible. Can some kind person tell me how??
Thanks
Andy
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Sent PM
Tom
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Sent PM
Tom
Cheers Tom, much appreciated!
Andy
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Tom, I too would greatly appreciate the ability to search through the derby mercury archives, thanks in anticipation.
- Nigel
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Hi Nigel
I have sent you a PM
Tom
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Hi Mal
Just seen this post ;D
i cant help you with Ann's ancestry but if you would like more info on her husband's family see http://www.tiveyfamilytree.com/Grp4.pdf
Cheers
Jan Tivey :-*
http://www.tiveyfamilytree.com
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Hi,
You may be interested in this post - looks to be the same family:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,485904.15.html
Jill
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Hi,
you have been recommended by Jill, the person above me. She told me to check you out since we're both looking for Collyers from Melbourne. My family roots are from Melbourne. I'm curious since I saw in one post here that James Collyer is a Shoemaker/cordwainer. My possible great great grandfather is John Collyer and in the 1871 census he was a cordwainer at the age of 43 in Kings Newton, Derbyshire.
In the 1861 census he was 33, a shoe maker in Kings Newton Melbourne Derby.
Now, John Collyer's father is Samuel Collyer a shoemaker. If your James Collyer's father is also Samuel Collyer, then James and John might be brothers. There is no James listed in the census that the people here gave me so I thought that maybe he was a lot younger than John. Though, that was only the 1841 census where Samuel was only 33 and only three children were listed, Elizabeth 15, John 13 and Mary 10. There might be a connection. I haven't seen the later censuses about Samuel Collyer and his wife.
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Hi, John Collyer is in my tree, he was my grandfather's grandfather. Born 1828, died 26th November 1895, buried in Melbourne cemetery, though unmarked apart from a sturdy bush, with an identical bush on his wife Elizabeth ( Nee Snow)'s ajacent plot. I haven't been able to connect James Collyer to the tree, but there were two strands of Collyers, both were shoe factory owners.
John Collyer had a son John, who died in 1879 aged only 29, my Grandfather told me that he died after injuring his back whist skating on Melbourne pool. John's two other sons, Thomas (my G Grandfather) and Samuel were too young to continue the shoe making business, and both became market gardeners.
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Yes yes, John Collyer's wife was Elizabeth Snow. He is my great great grand father. Thomas Snow Collyer is also my Great Grand father. So we are related. My grandfather is Robert William Collyer. He could've been a brotherr of your grandfather. Who is your grandfather by the way? I'm finding this interesting that I found a relative from the same great grand father.
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Sorry, I read this message after I sent you a reply to the PM.
I knew Bob Collyer quite well, he was my Dad's cousin,
Thomas Snow was brother my grandfather, Maurice, born 1902, I met Thomas snow when I quite young, and his wife, Ethel.
- Nigel
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Right, so you and my dad would be second cousins? I'm 18 now and I never met my grandparents from my dad's side. I also happen to live in another country that's why I never met them. By the way, do you know Ethel's former last name? before she married.