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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: shanew147 on Friday 13 November 09 16:18 GMT (UK)
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I've scanned and processed the Dublin City map from my 1848 Thom's directory, and converted it to google map format which can be zoomed and panned in the usual ways. The original map is not very large (c39cm x 28cm) but is quite detailed, and covers the city area.
The link to view this is : http://www.rootschat.com/links/07gy/
Shane
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Thanks Shane! Very interesting.
Can you explain why the river Liffey is described as 'River Anna Liffey' ?
Kooky
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Thanks Shane! Very interesting.
Can you explain why the river Liffey is described as 'River Anna Liffey' ?
Kooky
I found this reference on Wikipedia:
The river was previously named An Ruirthech, meaning "fast (or strong) runner".[1] The word Liphe (or Life) referred originally to the name of the plain through which the river ran, but eventually came to refer to the river itself.[2] It was also known as the Anna Liffey,[3] possibly from an Anglicization of Abhainn na Life, the Irish phrase that translates into English as River Liffey.[4]
INteresting :)
Beautiful map, Shane! Thank you for sharing. I wish I had Dublin ancestors so I could use it in my research.
Cheers
Prue
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Thank you Prue!
I have already had a very good look at the map. It could prove very useful if I ever get as far back as 1848 ::)
Many addresses from 70s and later are there anyway.
Kooky
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I've a few other later maps which I hope to gradually add to this collection.
Interesting question about the name for the Liffey, Kooky - I'd seen the name used before but never even thought about it before. The name Anna Livia is sometimes used for the River... we had a fountain/sculpture representing the river installed in O'Connell St for Dublin's Millennium celebrations in 1988, which was named Anna Livia. It has since been removed, and the council are hoping to reinstate it in a new location soon. Like all Dublin landmarks the fountain acquired a nickname - in this case 'The Floozie in the Jacuzzi'!
Shane
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It's a wonderful map - thank you Shane!
(Only joking - do you think we should start a thread, giving all the names of the statues, etc. .. "the Hags with the Bags" .....)
eadaoin
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I wonder when this tradition of these nick-names for statues & landmarks in Dublin started - do other cities do this ?
Shane
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I've added two more Dublin city maps and a street index :
1863 and 1885 Dublin City Maps and a 1904 Street Index, this can be used to establish where minor streets are located based on the adjoining streets.
I've posted the links in the Dublin Resources (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,371.0.html) section at this link (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,419744.msg2850900.html#msg2850900)
Shane
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Just had a browse through the maps Shane,fabulous stuff.
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......... I wonder when this tradition of these nick-names for statues & landmarks in Dublin started ...........?
Earliest one that comes to mind is the Pepper Cannister church.
Fantastic maps. Thanks Shane.
Dara.
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I've scanned and converted another Dublin map and added the link to the Dublin resources section - titled 'The Environs of Dublin' and dated 1837. This covers city and part of the county. (approx. from Loughlinstown in the south to Swords, and west as far as Johnstown, Leixlip & Black Bull)
see topic at : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=419905.0
Shane
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Thanks again for these Shane! I will be checking them again when the 1901 census appears on line, and I can hopefully solve some problems. ::)
Kooky
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i am just browsing through Pat Liddy's " Dublin " a Celebration and there is a map of Dublin in the 1760s (pages 56/57 ). the places we lived in were there at that time.
the only bridge across the Liffey was Essex Brigde (Grattan Bridge ) end of Capel Street. there were ferries dotted along to to ferry you across.
gooddog
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the 1798 Dublin map recently posted by MAPCo (see the Dublin Resources (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,371.0.html) section) show that just 30 years later there were at least 5 bridges over the Liffey
see the map at : http://dublin1798.com/
Shane
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added two more Dublin maps - 1848 Environs of Dublin, and the South County Dublin section of a c1880 map.
see : http://www.rootschat.com/links/07kj/
and : http://www.rootschat.com/links/07km/
Shane
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Hi Shane
thanks for all the great work your doing here i was wondering if you could spread some light on the location and possibly of a map to the township cottages of Rathmines and rathgar east, east ward. St peters parish around 1901 -04
i have tried your link posted for the 1904 street index but it came up error
any help greatly appreciated
kind regards
martin roe
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the 1904 street index does not show Township cottages - but it only includes the city area. I'll check what I have map-wise but most of the details I have are for the city area and just miss Ranelagh/Rathmines etc
did I just see a post from you on Dublin.ie ?
I'm checking Thom's '04 etc at the moment to see if I can work out the location of Township cottages
Shane
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....wondering if you could spread some light on the location and possibly of a map to the township cottages of Rathmines and rathgar east, east ward. St peters parish around 1901 -04
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I fairly sure now that the 1901 census address of 'Township Cottages' in the Rathmines & Rathgar DED, refers to Gulistan Cottages off Belgrave square. See the post on the Dublin forum for details..
Shane
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Yes Shane that was me. my dilemma is my Great granddad He is my wall. On my Grandmothers side i`m back as far as 1820 on one line and 1840`s for the others .that has all been from the net, then confirmed through the family. But stephen Roe Born well I`m not sure i have so many differn`t ages for him now i couldnt guess some where between 1860 to 1871 i need to find that birth cert i diverse sorry
thanks once again for your help
martin
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Hi Shane
I wonder if there is any way of finding out the former location of Yeates & Son,
Opticians, of 2 Grafton St, where Mr. Bloom (in Joyce's 'Ulysses') stopped to price the field glasses.
There is no trace of it left today. It was on the corner of Nassau St. but which corner? The east or the west side ? Hope somebody out there knows.
Ken
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No. 2 Grafton is on the east side - same side as Adam Court and Duke Street.
The listing for that address reads :
Yeates and Sons, opticians and mathematical instrument makers to
the University and Dublin Port Docks Board.
also listed at the address, possibly his residence, is an Arthur M. Yeates Esq..
(src: Thom's 1904)
Shane
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in case it's of interest to others this is the numbering pattern for Grafton St ..
East side (from North to South):
..jct with Nassau St..
2 - 6
..jct with Adam Court..
7 - 20
...jct with Duke St..
21 - 27
...jct with Lemon St..
28 - 33
...jct with (Sth) Anne St...
34 - 51
...jct with Stephen's Green North and Sth King St...
West Side (from South to North) :
52 - 61
..jct with Tangier Lane...
62- 63
...jct with Chatham St..
64 - 70
.. jct with Harry St...
71 - 80
..jct with Johnson's Court...
81 - 95
...jct with Wicklow St..
96 - 106
...jct with Suffolk St...
107 - 119 (the section facing Trinity College ending with the tobacco & cigar merchants)
...jct with College Green...
Shane
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Shane,
That is great, many thanks. I was inclined to think it was the east side as there
were two streets to the north, and Nassau St. ran to the east.
I was in Dublin recently and wanted to take a photo of the premises but could not see where it would have been, unlike Sweny's chemist shop, which is easy to identify.
I am related to both Sweny and Yeates, and contribute to those names on rootschat. I don't think Arthur M. Yeates is related, but I will check up.
Ken
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should have mentioned - no. 2 is right at the junction. No sign that I can see of a number 1 Grafton street in the 1900s
cant remember what no. 2 is now... maybe a building society or bank ?
Shane
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a bit more detail on No. 2 Grafton St.
1894 : Yeates & Son, opticians and mathematical instrument makers to
the University and Dublin Port Docks Board.
workshops and export dept. 25 Suffolk St.
Stephen M. Yeates - res. Sorrento Villa, Dalkey
1879 : Yeates & Son, opticians and mathematical instrument makers to
the University and Dublin Port Docks Board.
also at 136 St. Stephen's Green
res. Stephen Yeates
1863 : G. Yeates & Son, opticians and mathematical instrument makers to
the University and Vicar's Lodge, south Circular Rd.
The index gives his first name as George, and also mentions another optician with the same surname :
Horatio Yeates, optician &c, 23 Dawson St.
George is also listed at the address in 1852, with an additional address (which appears to be his residence) at 11 Wellington Place, Clanbrassil St.
Earlier listings for number 2 list Yeates as opticians at the address back to at least 1827.
The earliest listing for an optician with the surname that I can see at the moment is in 1813 :
89 Dame St, Samuel Yeates - optician
The Yeates business continued at the address up to the late 1930s at least, and they seem to have added an additional trade of 'Radio Dealers' to their business.
It looks like No. 1 Grafton street was across the street to the north, and inside the Trinity College grounds - there is a listing for Grafton St in 1848, before number 2 on the other side of Nassau St :
1. Provosts House, Trinity College, Rev. P. Sadlier, D.D. prov.
Shane
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Thanks again Shane,
Samuel Yeates,1762-1834 was one of four brothers in 'technical' occupations,
as well as a few cousins & uncles. He and his son George Mitchell, 1796-1882, were 'Yeates & Son'.(I am descended from his brother Kendrick, 1776-1850, a brass founder etc.)
The earliest address I have for Samuel is Capel St. in 1790. By 1827 he was at 2 Grafton St. George's son Stephen Mitchell Yeates, 1832-1901, took over later, and his son was Arthur Mitchell Yeates 1858-1916 (mentioned by you earlier).
As far as I know he was the last in the line, and by the 1940s Yeates & Son went out of the family. It is now at another address.
Horatio 1834-1907 was Stephen's brother. He brought his family to Australia, but we did not know them. You can read more about them in the topic 'Yeates of Dublin' on rootschat.
Ken
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:) thanks just found this map and found a street that my great grandparents lived on. Regards C
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hi there shane,
number one grafton street, is the provosts house [ provost of trinity college].
mike.