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i cannot find a birth registration for Thomas Amott born Radcliffe :Lancs or Ratcliffe 1844-1849 father Frank (Francis?) Amott. I use Ancestry and have tried FreeBMD to no avail. CAn anyone find him for me? Or give me any more ideas to try to track him down? In censuses from 1871 he appears under a variety of names from Amot to Amoth to Arnott!
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I take it you either have him on a census or a marriage cert.
When & where was the marriage, what occupations were given, what names witnessed.
Whom was he with on census, what was the location and the references?
Is this the chap in a previous request of yours?
well I just got hold of a copy of Herbert's birth cert and it shows a Thomas Amot named as dad. well done JoRose!
Herbert b 1872 Barnsley.
Pauline
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Hello,
Lancashire OPC has this marriage - :-\
25 Aug 1845 St John the Evangelist, Farnworth with Kearsley
Frances Armat - Full age Weaver Widower of Halshaw Moor- Father: Thomas Armat, Farmer
Harriet Ratcliffe -Full age Widow of Halshaw Moor - Father: Thomas Holt, Weaver
Witnesses: Joseph Hawley and Martha Hawley
I can't find any of them in the 1841 census ???
Lancashire BMD has the couple as Francis Amat and Hannah Ratcliffe
heywood
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yes herbert is thomas' son...he was born before thomas married his mother jane atkinson hence he often referred to as herbert atkinson ...
am not sure about the Armat/Amat references...will have a scout through the census to see if can track them in the location the marriage is set at....is very bizarre...
details from thomas' marriage cert
Thomas Amott bachelor married jane atkinson widow both resided at Worsborough he was a clerk. His dad Frank Amott a bricklayer. hers william carr a shoemaker. witnesses names very hard to read looks like thomas taylor and henry alllerton> marriage took place on 22 mar 1874.
first found in 1871 census as Thomas Amott (Arnott according to ancestry transcript) in worsborough. got him in all censuses since. it is therefore from 1861 backwards that I need to find him...and his birth details so can order certificate...
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Well I searched for ages last night and that's all I could find ??? Does he maintain Ratcliffe/Radcliffe as his place of birth - I noticed that it looked like Lincolnshire in 1861 but Lancashire otherwise. That's why the Farnworth one seemed the best bet so far- without any others at the moment ;)
I did notice similar names in Derbyshire too but again - it was that Lancashire birthplace which was at odds.
heywood
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I thought it looked like Linerliveshire in 1871 (Linlithgowshire)? (any scottish connection to the surname)?
Pauline
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ok folks now know thomas amott also known as tHOMAS raTCLIFFE ...
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ok folks now know thomas amott also known as tHOMAS raTCLIFFE ...
so are you still looking for him?
Is he anything to do with Francis Amat and Harriet Ratcliffe?
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thin k
he may be
am trying to find birth of a thomas ratcliffe to a hannah or harriet ratcliffe
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Hi there
i would be interested to know if you have go anywhere with thomas. I have been searching for him for some time with mixed success. How do you believe he was also Thomas radcliffe?
Thomas is my gr gr grandfather :)
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we think he may be illegitimate because found a report of his trial which refers to him as thomas amott OR ratcliffe. There is only one marriage I can find btweeen a francis amot and a hannah ratcliffe. am happy to send photocopies when I come back from holday in mid september. I am working my way through parish registers for Lancashire starting with Radcliffe but have found nothing asyet....
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Hello,
I'm sorry this won't help much but just going with the marriage that I posted a while ago, I noticed these and wonder if you have them. Of course the problem is linking your Thomas to that marriage initially :-\
1841 HO107; Piece 188; Book: 9; Folio: 27; Page: 5
Barrow upon Trent Derbyshire
Francis Amat 25 yrs Grit stone cutter born in county
1851 Class: HO107; Piece: 2239; Folio: 232; Page: 36
Tintwistle Cheshire
Francis Amet married lodger 34 yrs Stone scapler b Derbys Holloway
I can't find him in 1861 but there is a death in 1867 Chapel en le Frith which fits.
I wonder if this chap may be the Henry Francis Amott baptised 1813 Crich -parents Thomas and Dorothy. (I found the family through a man called German Amott as name varies quite a bit.)
As I said, sorry it doesn't provide any answers re Thomas. The occupations don't quite fit and nothing to really link the places :-\
However, Francis has a father, Thomas
best wishes
heywood
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Have you seen this- same lodgings as 1871 for Thomas
1861 RG9; Piece: 3452; Folio: 67; Page: 35
Robt Ratcliffe 26 yrs
Thos Ratcliffe 13 yrs
both born Lancashire :( no other clues
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Going back to that first marriage post- Francis' wife could be Harriet or Hannah.
I can only see a Robert Radcliffe in 1841 with a mother Hannah and father Henry (but no relationships are given of course) and they are living in Radcliffe!
There are other children but I can't see this family in 1851. There is a death for a Henry, 1842, Bury which would fit. :-\ but it is all very tenuous.
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Family Search has this marriage:
Henry Ratcliffe and Ann Holt
02 JUN 1828 Saint Peter, Bolton Le Moors
a possibility but Ratcliffe and Holt are not uncommon names and there is nothing positive as they are living in Radcliffe and not Bolton.
A tree on Anc. has a Mary Ellen born to this couple but I can't see her in 1851 either but she appears in BMD and in later censuses.
There is a family group of teenagers/children in Pilkington (born Radcliffe) in 1851 and another Henry Ratcliffe death in Pilkington but this is after the marriage of Hannah/Harriet so all this could be a red herring.
I am adding this (and rambling I fear) because I don't want to raise hopes but on the other hand there could be something. :-\
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good grief everyone has been busy...i shall have to print it all out and have a think about it when I return from holiday in mid september...and I hadn't noticved the ratcliffes living with thomas in the census mentioned ...hmmm...all very interesting
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Hi there
I have been trying to find details of the mentioned trial but without success. Would you be able to provide any further details please?
Many thanks
Simon