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Hi
Could anybody please look up the following address on the 1851, 1861, 1871 census;
Tyddyn Mawr, Dolbenmaen
I am looking for Robert Price and family
And also Mynydd Ednyfed Fawr, Cricieth for 1871 and 1881 looking for David Evans and family.
Thanks in advance
Pwtan
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Hi pwtan
1851 Census for TyddynMawr, Dolbenmaen
Rice Price Head U 48 Farmer of 200 acres & 80 acres ?? 3 Labs Llandanwg Merionethshire
Jane Price Sister U 45 Farmer's dau Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire Wales
Margaret Price Sister U 43 Farmer's dau Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire Wales
Robert Isaac Brother U 39 Farmer's son employed at Home Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire Wales
Alice Price Sister U 35 Farmer's dau Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire Wales
Sarah Evans Niece U 8 Scholar Llanfihengel Y Pennant Caernarvonshire Wales
Griffith Owen Servant M 24 Farm Labourer Llanfihengel Y Pennant Caernarvonshire Wales
John Morris Servant U 17 Farm Labourer Llanfihengel Y Pennant Caernarvonshire Wales
Morris Griffith Servant U 12 Farm Labourer Penmorfa Caernarvonshire Wales
HO 107 Piece 2512 Folio 457 page 20
Wendy :)
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Hi pwtan
1861 Census for TyddynMawr, Dolbenmaen
Jane Pryce 55 Head U Farmer of 200 Acres emp 3 men b Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire
Alice Pryce 44 Sister U Farmer's dau b Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire
John Jones 30 Farm Servant b Bryncroes Caernarvonshire
Thomas Jones 19 Farm Servant b Mollolyn Caernarvonshire
Elinor Jones 22 Domestice Servant b Bryncroes Caernarvonshire
RG9 Piece 4326 Folio 58 Page 8
Wendy :)
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Hi pwtan
1871 Census for TyddynMawr, Dolbenmaen
Griffith Morris Head 42 Farmer of 170 acres emp 3 men b Penmorfa Caernarfonshire
Jane Morris Wife 64 Farmer's Wife b Dolbenmaen Caernarfonshire
Ann Williams Servant 26 General Servant b Llanfihangal Caernarfonshire
William Pritchard Servant 21 Farm Servant b Dolbenmaen Caernarfonshire
Isaac Roberts Servant 22 Farm Servant b Llanfihangel Caernarfonshire
Robert Griffiths Servant 15 Farm Servant b Dolbenmaen Caernarfonshire
RG10 Piece 5700 Folio 65 Page 14
Marriages Mar 1869
Morris Griffith Festiniog 11b 549
Price Jane Festiniog 11b 549
Is he the Morris Griffith from 1851 do you think??
Wendy :)
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Hi
There is
1871 census for Mynydd Ednyfed Fawr, Cricieth
Richard Owen 16 [46 ] Farmer of 140 acres b Dolbenmaen, Caernarfonshire
Mary Owen 42 Wife Llanaclhaiain, Caernarfonshire
Margret Owen 6 Dau b Cricieth, Caernarfonshire
Griffith Roberts 27 Farm Servant b Denis, Caernarfonshire
Richard Prichard 23 Farm Servant b Llanggbi, Caernarfonshire
Thomas Williams 35 Farm Servant b Llangstymdwy, Caernarfonshire
Elizabeth Hughes 29 House Servant b Glanylym, Caernarfonshire
Laura Roberts 15 House Servant b Ynyscynhaian, Caernarfonshire
Evan Roberts 25 Boarder U Shepherd b Dogelly, Merionethshire
RG10 Piece 5702 Folio 9 Page 10
But living in Railway Terrace, Criccieth Caernarfonshire in the 1871 census is the following family
David Evans Head 28 House Joiner b Criccieth Caernarfonshire
Elizabeth Evans Wife 27 b Abererch Caernarfonshire
Robert Evans Son 4 Schooler b Criccieth Caernarfonshire
David Evans Son 2 b Criccieth Caernarfonshire
RG10 Piece 5702 Folio 6 Page 3
Wendy :)
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Hi Wendy
Thanks for looking into those addresses for me, its a big help
Just realised that Robert Price died in 1845, so he would not have been on the census returns, but his children are on there so thats great.
Thanks again for your time, much appreciated
Pwtan
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Just looked at census in 1871 for Mynydd Ednyfed Farm in Criccieth, the farm of Richard and Mary Owen (aged 46 and 42). Their only child - a little girl, Maggie aged 6 - became Mrs David Lloyd-George (1864-1941).
The family on my own tree is that of Rev John Owen, Ty'n Llwyn (1807-1876) and I am sure there is a close family association between "Maggie's" father Richard Owen (46 on 1871 census ie b c 1825) and John Owen Ty'n Llwyn. I thought they may be brothers, but the 18 years between them seems to disprove that theory. Also, Richard was born Dolbenmaen according to 71 census, whereas John O Ty'n Llwyn was born at Gwyndy farmhouse, Llecheiddior.
The youngest of John O's three sons, Rev John Owen Criccieth (1849-1917), apparently proposed unsuccessfully to Maggie a few months before her marriage to Lloyd George. And John Owen jnr then jointly presided over their marriage in Pencaenewydd CM Chapel with Lloyd-George's Baptist step-father Richard Lloyd.
Be very pleased if anyone can throw more light on these connections. Mainly farming families in Eifionydd, mainly CM. Farm valuers, experts in Welsh Blacks and scientific farming.
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Lady Margaret was a 4th cousin of my g-grandmother,
According to Ceiri Griffith # 40, Richard Owen Was the son of Henry Owen(1771-1835) and Margaret Owen(1782-1841).
The eldest son recorded on that 'tree' is Owen, born 1809. The marriage date for Henry and Margaret is given as 28/11/1807 at Penmorfa. Henry Owen seems to have been one of 12 children, so could the Rev John Owen have been a son to one of his many brothers ?
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Many thanks, Huwcyn. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
Cannot see connection, and no wonder if it is just that Maggie Ll-G and Rev John Owen Criccieth were fond of each other and John Owen and his wife were friends with them both (particularly Margaret or Maggie) till they died. Probably same chapel, same friends and photos of Rev John at LL G's Llanystumdwy residence (probably about 1900)
Am nearly 72 and have done no family history for some time. But will get back to it in 3 years when I should have finished my present job and finally retire. Also, am not currently subscribing to any on-site web sites.
What I have got on my Genes Reunited tree is that Rev John Owen Ty'n Llwyn, Pentir (1807-1876) was born in Gwyndy (probably not Gwindy), Llanfihangel y Pennant and died at Pen-y-berth farm (which was home of bombing school in WW2). He married Jane Hughes (1814-1895), daughter of Thomas Hughes (1778-1847), farmer of Derwin Fawr, Clynnog.
Rev John Owen Ty'n Llwyn was the son of William Owen (1764-1847), of Gwyndy, Ll-y-Pennant. Mother of John Owen was Margaret Jones (1778-1846), the niece of Sunday School pioneer Robert Jones, Rhoslan.
Father of Wm Owen and therefore grandfather of Rev John Owen was Owen Thomas (1729-1816) of Tyddyn y llan in Llangybi. Patronymics!!!
I note that Richard Owen, father of Lady M Ll-J, claimed he descended from Owain Gwynedd, one of 12th C princes of Wales. That has also always been claimed by John Owen's family. But it is through the Humphreys of Nantcyll and they are listed on the Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarvon - I have it somewhere.
Owens and Humphreys kept inter-marrying in that area. And they were close in 19th and 20th centuries. Mostly CM, mostly farmers and preachers, mostly very well-educated and many buried in CM Cemetery at Tai Duon (above main road between Porthmadog and Caernarfon, from memory).
Best wishes, pob hwyl
Lewis
ps Many thanks to Wendy 46. You are very kind.
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That family is # 98 in Ceiri Griffith. The Jane Hughes you refer to above is my 4th cousin 4 times removed !
More importantly, that would make her a 1st cousin once removed of dame Margaret
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Huw, So Lady Margaret and Rev John Owen Criccieth would have been cousins (second cousins?) on the Hughes Derwin Fawr side.
Plot thickens. I have children of Derwin Fawr as:
1. Catherine Hughes b 1808. Md Evan JONES
2. Elizabeth (1811-1881). Md Richard HUMPHREYS (1798-1885) as his second wife (first died young). One of their sons (Thomas H HUMPHREYS) md Jane OWEN of Gwyndy - one of sisters of Rev John Owen Criccieth (1849-1917).
3. Jane (1814-1895). Md celebrated CM preacher and scientific farmer Rev John Owen, Ty'n Llwyn. They had 3 boys and 3 girls - Rev John Owen of Criccieth was their youngest son - not ONLY son as stated in Welsh biography.
4. Owen (b c 1820)
5. Thomas Derwen Fawr (1821-1893)
6. Humphrey (b1826). Was helping brother Thomas with Derwi(e)n Fawr farm in early census.
Such talented families - connecting so many lines in Eifionydd. Liberals and CM in main. It was my f-i-l's family and his mother Elizabeth Owen 1879-1967 (one of granddaughters of Rev John Owen Ty'n Llwyn and Jane Hughes Derwin Fawr) was put through Bangor University in about 1900 by her childless uncle (Rev John Owen Criccieth) and got an MA. She was then appointed English teacher in Holywell Grammar School and, before age of 30, was Headmaster/mistress. Very unusual for a woman in those days. Despite marrying in her 30's, she later became mother to 5 children between 1913 and 1921.
Getting my interest in family history going again, Huw. Diolch yn fawr. Lewis
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This is how I see the relationship (If you have Ceiri Griffith, its #27, #98, # 152 - amongst several others)
The parents of Jane Hughes were Thomas Hughes and Margaret Owen. The parents of Margaret owen were Owen Humphreys and Martha Williams.
Owen Humphreys and Martha Williams had a daughter called Jane Owen, around 11 years younger than sister Margaret. She married William Jones (My closest connection to this family)
They had a daughter Mary Jones, who married Richard Owen.
They were the parents of Dame Margaret. The younger John Owen would therefore be her second cousin.
Another son, William, is noted for Derwin fawr, dying in 1830 at 14 years of age.