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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt, it's a little different this time, but it will be a fun one.
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
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I have hit a brick wall with my great great grandparents. I have been unable to find anything on their deaths and I am struggling to find my G G Grandmother on the censuses. Here's what I know so far:
My G G Grandaddy was born Tom Squires Tutin on 10th Jan 1862 in Great Ouseburn, Yorkshire. His family then moved to Durham where his siblings were born. On 1st Aug 1882 he married Lily Moore and shortly after they moved to Ireland. My Great Grandad, Arthur, was born in Belfast, so I'm guessing they lived there. I haven't found a trace of any of them on the 1911 Ireland census, but family stories say that Arthur worked at the shipyards during the building of the Titanic. Arthur's marriage certificate lists his father (Tom) as a marine engineer, so is it possible they moved around? In later years Tom is more often listed on certificates as Thomas.
Lily I have less on. The marriage certificate lists her father as Henry Moore, but I have been unable to find them together on the English censuses. The marriage lists them both as age 21, which I expect is unreliable as Tom would have been 20, but I guess she would have been born around 1862.
Many thanks,
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There are birth registrations for individuals named Thomas Squires Tutin in Belfast in both 1884 and 1898...http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#p=home
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X the mark of Toni* :)
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In the 1911 Ireland census, indexed as Thomas Latin... I don't see Arthur there though
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002171635/
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Ah, I see now: Arthur Ellerby Tutin born 1892 ...on the census as "Ellerby"
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Hi
There is a Lily Moore born in the Dewsbury Area in Dec 1863 9b 519
Dewsbury is in Yorkshire.
This could be worth investigating further?
ammonite
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looking at this further in the 1881 census there is a Lily Moore in the Dewsbury area -Liversedge in fact.
MOORE, Elizabeth Head Married F 45 1836 Housekeeper (Domestic) born Heckmondwike
MOORE, Eliza Ann Daughter Single F 19 1862 Worsted Spinner born Heckmondwike
MOORE, Lily Daughter Single F 17 1864 Worsted Spinner born Heckmondwike
MOORE, Albert E Son 13 1868 Scholar born Heckmondwike
MOORE, Charley Son 11 1870 Scholar born Heckmondwike
MOORE, Annie Daughter 7 1874 Scholar born Heckmondwike
Looking further there is a marriage on Freebmd of a Henry Moore possibly to an Elizabeth Dawson Mar 1855 9b_441
which would then raise the question of where is Henry at the time of the census in 1881?
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the age at marriage can sometimEs be irrelevant as they could just put full, 25 21 etc to indicated they were of full age to marry and they were not actaully that age, however if they age given was something like 44 or 16 this would be more reliable :)
Lily Moore her fatehr Henry what was his occupation ? and also her address at time of marriage?
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The Titanic was built in Belfast http://www.titanicinbelfast.com/welcome.aspx
i wonder if they have alist f ship builders who worked on it ?
the construction was handled by Harland and Wolff
http://www.titanic-facts.com/titanic-construction.html
so did you relatives work for Harland & Wolff ?
are there records for Harlands & wolff anywhere ?
http://www.harland-wolff.com/portfolio_select.asp
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Also:
1881 census 23 Albert Street Stranton, Durham
John S. TUTIN Head W 42 Ripon, York, England House Joiner
Tom S. TUTIN Son 19 Whipley, York, England Joiner
Sarah A. TUTIN Dau 13 West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Emily TUTIN Dau 11 West Hartlepool, Durham, England Scholar
Arthur TUTIN Son 9 West Hartlepool, Durham, England Scholar
Clara TUTIN Daur 3 West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Is this Tom Squires Tutin just before his marriage?
Ammonite
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is this anything to do with your family ?
http://www.webfission.net/FamTree/gtp1159.htm
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November 1920: Ellerby and Ernest Tutin travel to Quebec on the Empress of France, headed for Toronto. They have a cousin there - H Moore
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This appears to be the 1881 family in 1871 and the father is.... Benjamin Moore, so is it the right family?
Well St Liversedge Yorks
RG10/4592/35/22
MOORE, Benjamin Head M 35 1836 Woollen spinnerYorkshire Heckmondwke
MOORE, Elizabeth Wife F 35 1836 Leicestershire Market Harbro
MOORE, Eliza A Daughter F 9 1862 Yorkshire Heckmondwke
MOORE, Lilley Daughter F 8 1863 Scholar Yorkshire Heckmondwke
MOORE, Albert E Son M 3 1868 Scholar Yorkshire Heckmondwke
MOORE, Charlie Son M 0 1871 Yorkshire Heckmondwke
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There is another family in 1871 in Haslingden Lancs with a father Henry and having a daughter Lilian b 1865
Swinshaw Higher Booths RG10/4137/39/17
MOORE, Henry Head M 49 1822 Cotton spinner and manufacturer employing 500 men Lancashire Burnley
MOORE, Mary E Wife F 39 1832 Lancashire Burnley
MOORE, Edith Daughter F 14 1857 Lancashire "
MOORE, Esther M Daughter F 13 1858 Lancashire "
MOORE, Lucy Daughter F 11 1860 Lancashire "
MOORE, Helen Daughter F 9 1862 Lancashire "
MOORE, Charlotte Daughter F 7 1864 Lancashire "
MOORE, Lilian S Daughter F 6 1865 Lancashire "
MOORE, John E S Son M 0 1871 Lancashire "
HARRISON, Sarah Servant F 44 1827 Lancashire
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth Servant F 42 1829 Caernarvonshire
FOX, Fanny Servant F 18 1853 Lancashire
WILKINSON, James Servant M 30 1841 Lancashire
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Thats seems to cancel out the Dewsbury family doesn't it?
going back to the Tutin side:
looking at the census I found earlier and the use of the name 'squires'
John S. TUTIN Head W 42 Ripon, York, England House Joiner
Tom S. TUTIN Son 19 Whipley, York, England Joiner
There is a marriage on Free bmd for a John Squires Tutin in Dec 1861 in Ripon however several people are on the page so can't quite tell who the wife would be.
Ellerby Jane Ripon
Outhwaite Elizabeth Ripon
Tomlinson Rachel Otley ????
Tutin John Squires Ripon
WALKER William Ripon
9a _99
given that the kids all seem to come from hartlepool, Durham then there is a death of Jane Tutin in the Hartlepool area in Sep 1880 aged 39 10a_93
which could mean that Jane Ellerby was the likely candidate.
Ammonite
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Hello everyone,
the 1871 Haslingden Moores family are in Hampshire in 1881- with Lilian Septima Moore aged 16 yrs - that would perhaps cancel her out now. :)
heywood
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which could mean that Jane Ellerby was the likely candidate.
Ammonite
Especially as Arthur is Arthur Ellerby Tutin
Jan ;)
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Not sure what u have but will post what have found
1871 - 26 Jersey st, Stranton, RG10/4918 45/43
Tutin
John Squire - 32 - Joiner - Ripon
Jane - 31 - Whixley
Tom S - 9 - Great Ouseburn
Sarah A - 3 - W Hartlepool
Emily S - 1 - W Hartlepool
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Thanks Jan - that would fit!!
There is a John S Tutin dying in Stockton area in Sep 1917 aged 78 10a_47
which would make the birth date 1839 - which would fit with the birth date given by John S in the 1881 census.
Ammonite
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1851 - Great Ouseburn Knaresborough HO107/2283 352/7
Henry Simpson - 51 - Ag Lab - Gt Ouseburn
Ann Simpson - 44 - Kirby Knowle
Sarah - 10 - Gt Ouseburn
Jane Ellerby - 10 - Whixley (she is step dau)
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1841 - Whixley HO107/1289/13 20/8
Ann Ellerby - 34
John - 11
George - 9
Robert - 7
Mary Ann - 2
Jane - 3 mths
Coincidently I have Ellerby's but from Glaisdale area :)
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Hello everyone. Sorry I'm such a late arrival to the party, but I can't thank you enough for all having a crack at this.
ShaunJ, that's amazing that you found them all under an alternative of 'Latin'. There is no way I'd have considered that.
I have been pondering over the two Thomas Squires Tutins born in Belfast for a while now and the later one is of course the living brother. I am wondering though if the earlier one was their child as well who perhaps died as a baby. The name is unusual enough to be more than a coincidence. They married in 1882 and the first living child was born about 1886. Perhaps years down the line they felt comfortable enough to try that name again.
To answer your question toni* Henry is down on the marriage certificate as a house painter.
I'd probably better fill in more of what I already have on the extended family. I have a fair bit of information on the Tutins and Ellerbys going back to pre registration period and have found most of the censuses on that side. I can confirm that Tom was listed as a joiner in 1881, but by the time he married he was an engineer (which may have been what took him to Ireland). The 1911 Ireland census has confirmed some of the names I was given for Arthur Ellerby's (gathering he was known as Ellerby now!) siblings. I was given the names Eva, Kitty, Peggy, Tom and Ernest. Eva must be Evangeline and could Kitty be Kathleen? Ellerby and Ernest did indeed go to Canada in 1920. Ernest went back to Ireland a year or so later, but Ellerby stayed with his partner (he was previously married to my Great Grandmother so couldn't remarry [didn't stop my G Gran though who declared herself a widow!!]). He had two more children in Canada. Thomas Squires Tutin went to the USA where he married and later died. What I'm really struggling on at the moment is finding deaths for Tom and Lily. I was struggling to find all their children as well, but that census sheet has certainly helped there. :)
Ellerby was apprenticed to Harland & Wolff about the time of the Titanic's construction, but I don't know if he actually worked on it. He nearly got a job on the crew, but was bumped at the last minute!
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is this anything to do with your family ?
http://www.webfission.net/FamTree/gtp1159.htm
If it is I think it's fairly distant.
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Hi
There is a Lily Moore born in the Dewsbury Area in Dec 1863 9b 519
Dewsbury is in Yorkshire.
This could be worth investigating further?
ammonite
That reminds me, I have ordered/reference checked two possible certificates for the area which could match Lily. I haven't heard back that they are both wrong, so one must be right. I don't know when I'll get it though with the postal strikes in the UK and the journey to Oz.
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Another quick note/answer; at the time of their marriage Tom and Lily were at the same address in Leeds. It looks like Beowns Square, Skinner Lane.
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Hi,
There is a birth for the march qtr 1841 for a Jane Ellerby at Knaresborough volume 23 page 296
Also on the IGI as baptised 28th November 1841 father Robert mother Ann.
3 marriages for Robert Ellerby in the IGI one to Ann Metcalf in 1829 , two others are one to Hannah in 1832 and the other Ellarby also to a Hannah in 1834.
These marriages would have been before civil registration so won't be on free bmd.
regards
Robyn
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Hi,
There is a birth for the march qtr 1841 for a Jane Ellerby at Knaresborough volume 23 page 296
Also on the IGI as baptised 28th November 1841 father Robert mother Ann.
3 marriages for Robert Ellerby in the IGI one to Ann Metcalf in 1829 , two others are one to Hannah in 1832 and the other Ellarby also to a Hannah in 1834.
These marriages would have been before civil registration so won't be on free bmd.
regards
Robyn
The Ann Metcalf one looks likely doesn't it? The marriage certificate confirms Robert as Jane's father.
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What were the names of the witnesses at Tom and Lily's wedding? Any Moores there?
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which could mean that Jane Ellerby was the likely candidate.
Ammonite
Especially as Arthur is Arthur Ellerby Tutin
Jan ;)
i thought that last night but for some reason was unable to post :-\
will look in the directories for 1881 and census for Henry Cooper Moore house painter around Dewsbury
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There are various entries in Belfast Directories for Henry Moore, painter.
(Lily did say on the 1911 census that she was born in Belfast, albeit that she put that for Tom too)
For instance
1863-1865 Moore Henry, painter and glazier, William street
1877 Moore Henry, painter, 64 Hartley Street
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ShaunJ, that's amazing that you found them all under an alternative of 'Latin'. There is no way I'd have considered that.
All I did was to find their address circa 1911 from the directories on Lennon-Wylie (Ravenhill Road), then I searched the census for ladies named Lily in Ravenhill Road.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/qrcomplete1910.htm
Have you tried the local studies unit at Belfast library? They may have an obit reference in their indexes
Contact details here: http://www.ni-libraries.net/libraries/belfast-central-library-ulster-and-irish-studies/
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The witnesses were John and Bessie Dolan. I seem to remember finding some Dolans in the Leeds area on censuses who were from Ireland...Possibility of Lily being born in Ireland is looking quite possible isn't it? Maybe she was staying with friends/relatives.
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Have you tried the local studies unit at Belfast library? They may have an obit reference in their indexes
Contact details here: http://www.ni-libraries.net/libraries/belfast-central-library-ulster-and-irish-studies/
Thank you. Would I have to attend the library in person, or is there any way to do this from a distance?
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Would I have to attend the library in person, or is there any way to do this from a distance
The email address and phone number are on the webpage. I have found them very helpful.
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The email address and phone number are on the webpage. I have found them very helpful.
Thank you again. I'll keep you updated on how I go there.
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There's some very interesting information coming up.......great stuff. :D :D
Barbara
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It's that time again and here's the Hunt for this week..............I'm sure you'll find this one interesting.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,419889.0.html
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
As usual, this Hunt will remain open for any further information which may come in.
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I'm not sure how far you've got with your search but we've discovered an Arthur Ellerby Tutin in our family tree research. His father Thomas Squires Tutin was my husband's great grandfathers brother, Arthur Ellerby was born in Castlereagh, Belfast. I found, after a brief look at Ancestry.com, he had moved to Toronto Canada where he had a family, also he passed away in 1971 presumably in Canada