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Title: John French's children
Post by: french on Tuesday 10 November 09 07:04 GMT (UK)
I have found John and Rachel french and three of their children in Elgin Cemetery. The had another three children
William French born 28.2.1872 in Duffus
Mary Ann French born 18.1.1874 in Forres
Alexander French born 1876 in Forres
I have them on the 1881 census but after that I can't find them.
Any help would be great
Thanks
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: Piglet01 on Tuesday 10 November 09 12:22 GMT (UK)
The IGI has John French and Rachel Williamson marrying on 09 June 19871

and has 3 chidren for them

John b 06.Aug 1870
William b. 28 Feb 1872
Mary Ann b 18J an 1874.


Have you tried Libindex?

I'll go there now.

Regards,   Steve
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: KirstyG on Tuesday 10 November 09 12:32 GMT (UK)
Steve,  there has been another post about this family already (so you don't duplicate searches)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,414290.0.html

Kirsty

ps. I just tried Libindx
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: french on Tuesday 10 November 09 17:23 GMT (UK)
The first post was for a picture of the gravestone. Which showed not all the family but could not find anything else about them apart from their births.
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: KirstyG on Tuesday 10 November 09 17:42 GMT (UK)
I know, I just wanted to make sure people could identify the correct family in census records etc.

Have you looked at the possible marriage entries for them on SP?
Have you tried looking at passenger lists in case they emigrated?

Kirsty
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: french on Tuesday 10 November 09 17:46 GMT (UK)
Have looked at Scotlands people that's how I found their births but nothing else did think I might have found William on Forres War memorial but still looking into that. Am reasonable new to this and unsure exactly were to go.
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: KirstyG on Tuesday 10 November 09 17:49 GMT (UK)
I looked at the one on Forres War Memorial, I don't think it is him.
That William had middle initials which match another entry that I found, and between the CWGC and Libindx I discounted him as having different parents- I think his mother's name was Florence?

Kirsty
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: KirstyG on Tuesday 10 November 09 17:52 GMT (UK)
Where are they in the 1881 census and what was John's occupation?

edit: have you viewed John's death certificate? If so who registered his death as his wife predeceased him? That might give you one of the children.

Kirsty
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: Piglet01 on Tuesday 10 November 09 20:27 GMT (UK)
Hello 'french' - I'm confused. 

In your first post you advise that you have no further information on Alexander French, yet you have a photo of his wife and daughters gravestone a and you know where they died.

I'll leave this thread until you can advise what information you have and what you need.

There is only one marriage for an Alexander French in all of Scotland between 1900 and the date of his wifes Rachels death.

Regards,   Steve   :O(
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: french on Wednesday 11 November 09 07:50 GMT (UK)
In the 1881 census they were in Forres Seafield (Grieve's House)
Occupation Farm Grieve.
John's death in 1931 was registered by his son David French.
Their children I have discovered are
William
Mary Ann
Alexander
Simon
George
Isabella
Rachel
David.
Simon,George,Isabella and David are buried with their parents.
Rachel on the other stone is buried with her husband Alexander French (the exact same name as her brother).
It is William,Mary Ann and Alexander I am having trouble with.
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: eman on Friday 08 January 10 03:44 GMT (UK)
Alexander gave up farming and became a police officer in the south west of Scotland. The Rachel on the other stone is Alexander's wife, he is buried in the south. I knew David but can't help with the others.
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: runmerry on Friday 08 January 10 21:18 GMT (UK)
The mention of the Forres War Memorial made me think to look for Frenches in my copy of the Morayshire Roll of Honour. There are eight of them:-

1.  Edward James Son of Arthur French & Isabella Rhind Edwards or Fraser
2.  Grigor Galletly son of Alexander & Mary Ann French.
3. James son of John French & Helen Whyte
4. John son of  Arthur & Isabella (as above )
5. John Scott son of Alexander & Mary Ann (as above)
6. Joseph son of William & Elizabeth French
7. Simon Anton son of John French & Rachael Williamson Or French
8. William Alexander son of Alexander & Mary Ann (as above)

Any of these of any interest I can give you more details

Regards,
Jen

Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: french on Sunday 10 January 10 08:45 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Can the roll of honour you are talking about be seen on the internet. I am interested in Simon Anton French.
Thanks.
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: stuartroxy on Monday 11 January 10 19:40 GMT (UK)
I don't know if the RoH is on t'internet; however, here is the piece on Simon Anton French:

FRENCH, Simon Anton.  No 8650, Cpl 4th South African Scottish; born at Seafield, Parish of Forres, 3rd May 1878; joined at Potchefstroom, Transvaal, 14th Dec 1915; served in France; wounded in right hand and right leg, at Fampoux, 12th April, 1917, and dangerously wounded in both legs and back, at Ypres, 20th August, 1917.  Son of John French, Easter Greens, Drainie, Lossiemouth and Rachael Williamson or French.  Occupation, police officer.

stuartroxy
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: runmerry on Tuesday 12 January 10 20:15 GMT (UK)
The  RoH is not on the internet, I have the copy that my Grandfather used when he was on the committee for the WW1 war memorial for New Elgin. There is a copy at the Heritage Centre in Elgin.
By the way many moons ago when I was little my aunt & uncle lived at Easter Greens and I used to stay there for the school holidays.

Regards,
Jen
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: eman on Wednesday 20 January 10 02:48 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: John French's children
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Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: nellie234 on Thursday 26 January 12 23:38 GMT (UK)
I have some French information. Not in my direct tree but was looking a bit further for my cousin whose mother was Janet French. Its a long time since your post so you wil probably have found what you were looking for
helen
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: french on Friday 27 January 12 03:47 GMT (UK)
Hi
Any information you have would be great I have some information.
Thanks Anne
Title: Re: John French's children
Post by: nellie234 on Friday 27 January 12 10:33 GMT (UK)
On looking at my tree again I think we have been in contact already on Ancestry. If you are the same person then all I have is added to The Jamieson Family tree
regards Helen