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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: tancor on Monday 09 November 09 15:55 GMT (UK)
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can anyone help with lovett family from the croydon area of surrey,i have lovetts in my tree from the hemel hempstead area but it is the ones from croydon i am not having much luck with
are you a lovett from surrey that could maybe fill in some gaps
Tancor
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what timespan are we talking about here
would they appear on censuses 1841-1901?
do you have any first names ?
birthdates?
occupations?
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THE ONE I AM MOST INTERESTED IN IS A GEORGE LOVETT BORN ABOUT 1791 IN SURREY PARENTS AND SIBLINGS UNKNOWN
TANCOR
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so was he still alive in 1841/51 etc and if so have you got him on the censuses?
Did he marry?
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i know i have very little to go on,i do not know if he married it is thought he die in hertfordshire i was hoping that may be someone in the lovett family in the surrey area,could possibly have a george born about this time amongst there ancesters because i would like to find his parents if possible.
most people that i have asked only seem to have lovett connections with Hertfordshire and not surrey so can not find a connection to hertfordshire lovetts,my cousin who started the family tree many years ago said that it seemed strange that he was the only lovett in the tree to be born in surrey,so it is a bit of a mystery.
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he was the only lovett in the tree to be born in surrey,
So if he is "in the tree" you must know something about him! His parents, children, siblings whatever - or he wouldnt be linked to a tree!
Where does his place of birth and year of birth come from?
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Hi,
George Lovat (Lovett) baptised 16/1/1791, Mitcham, Surrey.
Siblings; Elizabeth Lovatt (Lovett)bap.15/6/1788;John Lovet (Lovett) bap.20/6/1784;James Lovatt (Lovett) bap.7/4/1782. Father James.
regards.
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could be him
1851
HO107/1715/148/4.
george lovett age 60. b. mitcham,surrey. occ. bricklayers labourer. head
clotilda age 51. b. france. wife
john age 20. b. fritsden,herts. son
adelaide age 18. b. ditto. daughter
living at;queen street,hemel hempstead,herts
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my cousin got the information about George being born born in surrey from a great uncle that is no longer alive so now that i have taken on the tree,i am trying to find out where he fits in as my cousin just put him the tree with nobody connected to him so i am now trying to find out,thanks to paco and wozzle for info this now gives me something to work on.
thanks
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think this could be the same family in 1841(transcribed as levell)
HO107/441/7/folio missing/1
george lovett age 45. b. out of county. occ. agr.lab
clotilda age 40. b. france
john age 10. b. in county
-----(male) lovett age 15. b. france
thomas lovett age ---?. b. france
----(male) lovett age 12. b. in county.
adelaide age 9. b. in county
living at;----- end,hemel hempstead,herts
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this is the only marriage of a james lovett in surrey that i can see that might fit with the baptisms
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not sure how far morden is from mitcham/croydon though
name; james lovett
spouse; frances wesson
date; 22nd jan 1780
place; morden,surrey
ext.rec. I.G.I.
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if you have a subscription to ancestry there is a ancestry member who has submitted a correction to the 1841 census who could possibly help you in your research
if you do not have ancestry membership
i will get in contact with him and ask him to get in contact with you via e-mail
i would need to know your e-mail address to do this
if you want me to do this you would need to send me your e-mail address via the personal message system on rootschat
mick.
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there is one public member tree on ancestry that has clotilde/clotildas birth as
born 1800 in st.malo,nievre,boulogne,france
also has thomas lovett(on 1841 census)
birth; 1826
place;calais,dordogne,aquitane,france
death; march 1899
place; colne,lancashire
adelaide lovett
birth; 1833 fritsden,herts
death; 2/4/1910 at watford,herts
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yes i have just joined ancestry, but up to now with not having much to go on with george i have not been able to look for connections,but now with what info you have given i may in the end be able to connect him to someone,and just have him there not really knowing the truth about him,i wish i had taken on this tree when i had older generations to ask.
thanks
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yes i have just joined ancestry, but up to now with not having much to go on with george i have not been able to look for connections,but now with what info you have given i may in the end be able to connect him to someone,and just have him there not really knowing the truth about him,i wish i had taken on this tree when i had older generations to ask.
thanks
i would echo that sentiment i too wish i had started on my family tree earlier could then have asked my grandparents
but was too busy going out enjoying myself
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Hi
i'm related to lovetts of croydon on my mums side...My grandad name is christopher george foster hes mum my ggran is martha foster nee'lovett.
There's a book wrote by vivien lovett about her grandad walter lovett, hes my ggran marthas brother about surrey street market along with my dads side the curds.... Book called A STALL STORY. I have to find out about this george lovett wonder if its same line of family to me. One of the lovetts still work down market selling flowers which they always had done. if you want more info or if you have some please get in touch.
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Hi
You are the first person to reply and show that Lovetts live in Surrey.
They only info i have on George is that he was born in Surrey in either Mitchem or Croyden in about 1791, can not find his parents or any siblings we know that he married a French lady Clotilde no more info on her,they had two sons born in France in about 1823-26 then they must have returned to England because they had a daughter Clotilde born in 1827 in Surrey she only lived for a month then they must have moved to Hertfordshire because that is where the other children were born,and both George and Clotildes deaths are registered.From Hertfordshire we can trace the tree but nothing with regard to Surrey.
It is very frustrating not being able to find out more about George and Clotilde.
So if you find that George Is connected to your Lovetts i would be happy for any info you have.
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Hi
will try and find out i asked my sis to ask my mum not sure she would know... best thing i could do i have the book about the lovett family from croydon the author of the book left email address on book i try that later sometime...
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Hi tancor
sorry about this i thought the author email address was on book i was wrong..
best thing you can do is get in touch with croydon public librarie see if they can get in touch for you they know about the book, What it says on book is....croydon public libraries...Lib C...No 010793655 its called A STALL STORY 100 years of market trading wrote by vivien lovett. or try log on Museum of croydon Agnes lovett maybe that might help to leave message.
Its making me wonder if hes related to me if i find out info i let you know, and if you find out could you let me know please... I do what i can-to help bye for now...
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I remember going to a talk by Vivien Lovett in Croydon, as I went to school with children of the same name all in the West Croydon area.
I have just Googled Vivien's name and there is an article dated Jan 09 in the Croydon Gardian about her father Bill who died December 08 and his connections with Surrey Street market.
She is writing a new book on Wallington and was requesting information here telephone number was quoted as a contact as 0208655 8581 hope this is of some help.
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Hi
Thats my side of family bill was my grandads cousin, my grandads mum maiden name is lovett her name is martha shes in the book... and also in the book is the curds my dads side of the family all from kent related to coopers my ggran harriet cooper married my ggrandad george gladwin live in mitcham in a tent, my dads mum and dad both romany gypsys with penfolds stanleys etc, reason why i'm saying this because at bottom of page says your from mitcham gypsy site... i'm on a site called croydon message board about banghole go on there found i'm related to people.
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Hello Tancor,
Now the Lovett from Croydon that you're having a slight problem with. I am a Lovett and have come across the same person, same problem, but here's what I know ;
George LOVETT b.1797 Croydon, Surrey, he married
Clothilde TROUVEE b. 22nd Oct 1803 St Malo France
Children were ;
Thomas LOVETT b.1826 Calais France, d. 1899 Colne, Lancashire.
Francies LOVETT b.1827 St Malo France d.1843 Hemel Hempstead, Hetfordshire.
Clothilde LOVETT b.Oct 1827 Croydon, d. Nov 1827 Croydon
The questions all this information is, how did George marry a French girl in France ?? not as simple a question as you may think, Waterloo was in June 1815 and I wouldn't think an English soldier would be very welcome post Waterloo, but he married her and stayed long enough in France to give her two sons there !! I think there was a Barracks in the Croydon area, George signed up, went with Wellington to do his duty, met Clothilde, and stayed on, when they moved back to England (Croydon) baby Clothilde died, they then went to Hertfordshire where there were strong Lovett connections in the Redbourn area, and France became a distant memory.
Best regards,
Boblima
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not sure how far morden is from mitcham/croydon though
Pretty much next door neighbours :)
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Thanks for information that you have,cannot seem to get forward with the French connection.
Tancor
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Hello Boblima,
Dejavue here, I lost touch with youafter our last exchange. I hope the information on my Grandmother Mary Elizabeth was helpful. How is your research on Lovetts in the Colne area going?
I read with interest your post regarding George Lovett and his wife Clotilde. You gave her maiden name and birthdate, something that has vexed me for some time. Do you have any other information as I know of several other branches of the Lovett family have also been looking for more information on Clotilde.
Thanks again,
Dejavue
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Dear De ja vu,
I feel as though I've been here before..................................but no, thats all I have on the lady, which is why I went on to Rootschat, in the hope that someone, somewhere would add another bit to this jigsaw we call 'Family Tree'
Ah well, c'est la vie, any other bits you think I can add for you, do not hesitate
Regards,
Boblima
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Hi
i'm related to lovetts of croydon on my mums side...My grandad name is christopher george foster hes mum my ggran is martha foster nee'lovett.
There's a book wrote by vivien lovett about her grandad walter lovett, hes my ggran marthas brother about surrey street market along with my dads side the curds.... Book called A STALL STORY. I have to find out about this george lovett wonder if its same line of family to me. One of the lovetts still work down market selling flowers which they always had done. if you want more info or if you have some please get in touch.
Hi,
I am a Foster and Albert George Foster and Martha Susan Foster (nee Lovett) were my Great Grandparents, the parents of my Grandad Alfred Foster, and the Grandparents of my Dad John Alfred Foster. Christopher George Foster was my Grandad's youngest brother, my Dad's Uncle and therefore my Great Uncle. I have photographs of"Chrissy"(as my Grandad always referred to him) going back to before WW2, I am not that old(!) but remember him myself - when did he pass away?
Chrissy had three brothers and a sister, I am in touch with most of the children (of course most of them are mature adults).
If Chrissy was your Grandad who is/was your Dad - Georgie, Colin or one of the"girls"?
Vivien Lovett is a cousin.
Drop me a line if you want to know more...we are related!
Regards, Prufrock.
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Hi
I sent you a pm hope you received as my pc playing up..
jew
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Hi
I sent you message pm.. I'm not sure if you got my message my pc been playing up.
Nice to hear from you. My mum is june. I have been have been trying to find out about my grandads siblings.
I go over to the grave of my G-grandparents Alfred and martha and their daughter dorothy. At Queens road croydon.. So would be great to know about you and the others. I was trying to find dorothy until i found out she passed away in 2009.. I hope to hear from you.
jew x
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Hi J,
I did receive your message, I am unable to reply...maybe because I have only just joined...could you send me your personal email - it will be easier (I would send you mine if I were able to access the private message area).
I have not heard of Susan Randall; who is she?
I can fill you in lots of detail on my family (Foster), incidentally, you are aware your Grandad had three brothers - Alfred, Walter and John?
Your Grandad was always known to my Grandad(Alfred)and his two brothers, Walter and John, as Chrissy. As a child I knew Walter and John very well, I knew John as I got older as he survived my Grandad and Walter by some years.
I did not know Martha (she died around the time I was born), but I knew the"old man"as my GGrandad was often referred to as (by my Grandad, Walter and John). I have an old family friend who remembers Martha well (the friend was close to both my grandparents and my Dad).
I have huge collection of family photographs dating back to the 1920s (maybe 6 or so with Chrissy in).
Where do you live? I am in the Lincolnshire Wolds, I am often in the south as I travel for work and have relatives on the Sussex coast.
Regards, J.
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Hello again Tancor,
I've just been re reading the messages following your oeriginal enquiry for the ovetts of Croydon etc. did evrything get resolved ?? have you got the answers you were oooking for ??
Regards,
Bob Lima
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Vivian is my cousin & I believe she has moved to Canterbury now. Walter Lovett was my Great Grandfather, as I decent from his daughter Elizabeth, Lizzie or Betty who married Jack Garcia,
they ran the Toy stall in Surrey street. And she converted to Judaism in the late 1920's at Bevis Marks synagogue
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I know it is many years since i put on my request for help about Clotilde that married my 3XGGrandfather, but thanks to putting my request on Europe board in 2018, they came back with the final brick for my wall,the marriage of George lovett to Claudine not Clotilde it is his marriage because it gives his birth date also the names of his parents.
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Georges LOVETH, soldat du train royal des charrois de l'armée anglaise en cantonnement en cette commune, né à Strendham dans le comté de Surry en Angleterre le 16 janvier 1790, fils légitime de feu James LOVETH, décédé à Mitcham dans le comté de Surry le 5 décembre 1803, et de feue Frances WESTON décédée le 21 décembre 1817 à Nessteton près de Hemelhem-estaed Hartforshers
Claudine Josephe MARQUANT, âgée de 19 ans, née en cette commune le 15 prairial an septième de la République & y domiciliée, fille naturelle née hors mariage de François Joseph MARQUANT, âgé de 63 ans, journalier, domicilié en cette commune ... et de feue Florence DUFRENE décédée en cette dite commune