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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Redworth on Friday 06 November 09 20:35 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone,
Like so many of us, I have my tree going back to Shadrach Boswell c. 1755. Does anyone know who his Parents or Sibling were? I seem to have come to a dead end.
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HI,
yes my line is the same.
i have not tried to do any searches myself to be honest as alot of my info came from the gypsy lore society but who knows where or how anyone would start back from shadrach.?
i have met alot of researchers who have been amazingly helpful and patient with me and my questions but they too seem to have only gone back that far.
it would be nice to see if there is any more info on him about but im not back that far yet.
who is your line in the boswell clan?
mine is henrietta, dauhgter of levi boswell & mary ann(richenda) lee.
good luck
a.
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Hello a webb
My line also runs thru Able.
Shadrach Boswell c. 1755 Yorkshire Elizabeth Buckley c. 1755 Unknown
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Able Boswell c. 1779 Kent Lucy Scamp c. 1799 Patrixbourne Kent
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Zachariah Boswell c.1825 Worcestershire Justinier Dighton c. 1823 Rainham Essex
(Your Levi was Zachariah's Elder Brother) I
Zach's Daughter Kate Boswell c. 1853 Plumstead Common Kent was my Grt Grandmother. Her elder Brother was Levi Boswell the renowned Horse Breeder and Dealer c. 1847 born Leicestershire
Ray
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hi there
my boswell line is apparently from Romany Gypsy Lineage too.
so far i have got as far back as: William Boswell b1816 in Wick, Worcester married to Jane Teale
I am trying to get further back, but I live in New Zealand and its hard to find any information on them, especially when I cant afford to pay for the information.
Karee
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Hi all,
I have a Mary Ann Tracey Boswell in my tree, born 1806 in Leics. Married to William Sherriff.
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sending you pm regarding shadrach
a.
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Hi Karee
I see there is a record for William Boswell in the free 1881 Census. (You probably already have it)
William Boswell Head age 67 b. 1814 at Wick Worcs
Jane Boswell Wife age 65 b. Cropthorne Worcs.
Jesse Yates Dau. age 31 b. 1850 Little Comberton Worcs.
Amy G Yates Grd Dau age 8 b. 1873 Womith Lancashire
Ernest S Yates Grd Son age 4 b. 1877 Chesterton Staffordshire
Suggest you post a new Thread on this Site for Lookup for the info you require. Other sites to look at are Romany Genes. Romany jib. Romany Connections. plus Links to any other sites.
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hi there, yes i have that one.
I am wanting to get back further than William b abt1813 line
We have been told that we are from Romany Gyspy descent, but havent found where yet.
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hi all,
I am led to believe that plato boswell born 1822 in worcester is the brother to zac and levi. i have been researching this line as plato boswell married miselli lee who is sister to my x grat grand father sampson lee.in 1851 plato and levi are living along side each other, and in 1861 levi and zac are also living alongside each other. in 1861 plato for some reason changes his name to william boswell and can be found living alonside sampson lee who would be his brother in law, also that sampson married an arthena who i am led to believe is sister to plato,zac and levi.
paula.
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Paula
Plato is with Miselli in 1861 but ten years later with Freedom Lane, whom he marries in 1874. Did Miselli die, or did they just split up and move on to different partners? Were Plato and Miselli ever formerly married? He gives the alias 'William' in 1841 and 1881 also.
Keith C
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hi keith,
do not know if he ever married mizilli or if she died, i know they had a daughter betsy whom i am led to believe died in 1852 in greenwich.
i also do not no why he had the name change,and then changed it back, but its not unusual for them to do that as i have found out while tracing other family.
i also can find him in 1871 with freedom, along with children, have looked after that time but cannot seem to find them, sorry could not be of more help, maybe some one else will read this and have more answers.
paula..
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I have him in every census year between 1841 and 1891.
TM me your email address, Paula, and I will send you the biographical grid I have created for him.
Keith
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Hello everyone,
Like so many of us, I have my tree going back to Shadrach Boswell c. 1755. Does anyone know who his Parents or Sibling were? I seem to have come to a dead end.
Hello, I realise this thread is old now, but are you still looking for this information?
Shadrach was baptised 21 October 1750 at Basildon Holy Cross, Essex to Robert and Diana Boswell
Following siblings:
Cornelius baptised 12 December 1742 Wellington, Shropshire, England
Mary (1745-1759)
Peata (Paccata) baptised 23 July 1747 Southill, Bedfordshire, England
Possibly also had several half siblings. According to Robert Dawsons 'Genealogy of the Romany Boswells', his sister Peata was examined as a vagrant in Novemeber 1768 as 'Paccula' in Balsham, Cambridgeshire, and removed to Southill, Beds, where she had been baptised.
Robert is described as a 'Traveller' on Peata's baptism. He himself was possibly the subject of a removal order with his first wife Mary in 1744 in Boxley, Kent.
Robert Dawson does not seem to have been aware of Shadrach's baptism and attachment to this family when he wrote his Boswells work in 2004, possibly because Essex has very poor coverage on the IGI before the 19th century. Many of their registers have since become available on SEAX the Essex County records site.
According to Dawson, Robert Boswell was the son of John Boswell and Mary (Jeffrey), baptised 24 June 1730 Misson, Nottinghamshire, (though he cannot have been an infant if this is correct) and was a younger brother to John 'Black Jack' Boswell who married Ann Jackson in Northumberland 1723.
John was removed from Canterbury, Kent to Faversham, Kent in 1703, with his family. Dawson believes he is the same man arrested at Aylesbury in 1735 for Highway Robbery on Henry Lovell, and another of his elder sons William, was arrested with Lovells two years later in 1737 for stealing the horse of Abram Wood.
Dawson also states that John was probably the same John baptised 16 December 1685 in Rothwell, Yorkshire, to John and Easter Boswell. This family had links to London and Leicestershire as well as Yorkshire.
John, Senior, was likely the son of Edward and Alice Boswell baptised at St Mary Le Bow, London 20 Jan 1662.
Edward was born circa 1630 and buried at Winslow, Buckinghamshire, 1689, as 'Gentleman, King of the Gypsies"
Edward's parents was Henry 'Haniel' Boswell also described in records as 'King of the Gypsies' and Abigal Scott.
Henry was baptised 27 October 1583 at St Andrew by the Wardrobe, London to Francis and Ann Boswell.
So in other words:
Shadrach Boswell bap. 1750
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Robert Boswell (born circa 1715-20? ) bap. 1730 +Diane
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John Boswell, Jr., bap. 1685 + Mary Jeffrey
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John Boswell, Sr., bap.1662 + Easter Boswell
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Edward Boswell (c.1630-1689) + Alice
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Henry 'Haniel' Boswell bap. 1583 + Abigail Scott
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Francis Boswell c. 1540-60? + Ann
Silvester Gordon Boswell wrote in his autobiography (The Book of Boswell: Autobiography of a Gypsy 1970) that he believed Shadrach, his 2xgreat grandfather, was an immigrant to England, but I think this is provably not the case by his baptism, and may be a confusion with the fact he is said to have died in Holland whilst serving in the militia. Whether this is entirely accurate in details I do not know, I have no death or burial record, but there is at least a record of him serving in the militia on the surviving Militia Muster Records for England and Wales, 1781-1782 so there is some truth to it.
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Hello Richarde1979,
Redworth who first started off this post was last online in October but sadly his email notifications are not working...I have sent his a message but he will not receive it until he next logs in - lets hope very :)
Regards
Sarah :)
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Thanks Sarah
I have over the weekend found some more interesting information on Shadrach's military career with the kind help of another rootschat member, and have been in contact with Robert Dawson at the Romany and Traveller History Society. It seems this is all new information, and on his suggestion i am writing it up into an article for the Society's Journal.
Regards
Richard
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With reference to reply #12, congratulations on finding Shadrach Boswell’s baptism. His pedigree has something special about it possibly because of the publicity it has received. Readers of rootschat are also entitled to know that there is a discordant note and your excellent find should not be allowed to endorse or perpetuate speculation or unscientific work.
For example, the baptism at St Mary Le Bow, available on Ancestry for anybody wishing to check, does not give a mother’s name and does not say ‘gipsy’ (or similar). It says nothing at all that would prove that it was a gipsy baptism. Without supporting evidence if the original record does not say ‘gipsy’ (or similar) then it is unlikely to be gipsy.
Some possibly useful pieces of data in the region follow:
BDF Southill Removal Order 17/11/1768 Paccata BOSWELL [of] Balsham, Cambs, born a bastard; a vagrant "a person pretending to be a Gypsie and wandering in the habit and form of an Egyptian and lying in the field and outhouses" (Examination of Paccata Boswell believes her legal settlement is in Southill, but has always been wandering about the country like a gipsy) 17 Nov 1768 [ref: P69/13/4/7]
CAM Settlement Examination Fordham 3/12/1749 Elias BOSWELL of Buttsbury wife Sarah, children Susannah (c20) John (c16) Sarah (c15) Mary (c14) & Erusha (c13) removed to Buttsbury EX on 4/12/1748 [ref: P71/13/24]
LIN Settlement Examination Boston Epiphany {1805-06} Letitia BOSWELL & Peggy BOSWELL both born Trumpington CAM where their late father was settled
CAM Trumpington br26/2/1787 (96) John, a gipsy of Workhouse
LIN Settlement Examination Lindsey Q/S Vagrancy Pass 15 July 1796 Elisha BOSWELL, vagrant, 4 days in House of Correction, removed to Easton nr Pewsey WIL; son of Edward BOSWELL, pt.slr of Easton
TL
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Hello TL
I have Shadrach, son of Robert and Diana Boswell 'A Casaulty Child', baptised at St Mary at Finchley 28 October 1749 and buried there six days later. Of course it does not say Gypsy anywhere on either baptism or burial, but I think there is sufficient evidence to point towards this being an earlier child to the same couple.
Incidentally ten months earlier the Gypsy pugilist Benjamin Boswell had fought his last bout on Finchley Common against John Slack, so this may have been a regular winter stopping place for the Boswells at this time.
Since my last post I have done a fair bit or work on the Boswells, and come across some good new finds. I do not now believe the tree given in post 12 is anywhere near correct. (I do not even believe Haniel and the earlier Boswells were Romany) I have some circumstantial evidence, but not firm proof, that Elias Boswell of the Fordham settlement examination was the father of Robert, and grandfather of Shadrach. I am currently putting all this information together, hopefully to be published at some point too.
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With reference ot Reply #2 there was no Abel BOSWELL.
I have not looked in detail at the post but I have shown elsewhere that Abel was the mistaken name of Clark BOSWELL. The person who originally made the mistake, in the JGLS, was, I believe, Ferdinand Huth.
TL
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With reference to Reply #3, while I was looking up the wife of Varto BOSWELL:
WOR Wick bp3/6/1798 Cinderella d/o William/Sloneamy HALL (noi),
I also checked another BOSWELL baptised at Wick, John son of Thomas and Mary in 1815, but there was no evidence of gipsy. It looks as if Wick had a non-gipsy population of BOSWELLs, however, the fact that your ancestor's place of birth is given as Wick is relevant even if he was not baptised there.
I do not know whether your ancestors were gipsies or not but William is an interesting name in this context because the name Riley BOSWELL also appears as William Riley BOSWELL.
Varto and Cinderella subsequently had a connection to the famous Riley BOSWELL and although the name William has always been common, it was Cinderella's father's name, too.
TL