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Title: Mary GUNTER
Post by: GailS on Friday 06 November 09 01:32 GMT (UK)
Hi, I have been at the local library today looking at census records.

I have Henry and Mary (Mother) GUNTER, with their daughter Mary in 1881, age 20

Then in 1891, Henry and Mary have a lodger by the name of Frederick Oliver.

I havn't been able to find a marriage for Mary (daughter) between 1881 - 1891. Or maybe she died?

Can anyone please shed some light.

Mary (Mother) died 1897, and Henry died 1910, but in the 1901 census shows him in the Reading Union Workhouse as an Inmate age 75.

Would really love to know what happened to her, and why Henry was in the workhouse (sounds terrible)

Cheers Gail.
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: madpants on Friday 06 November 09 01:56 GMT (UK)
I couldn't sopt either a marriage or a death but

Just a possibility of a mis-enumeration

RG12 969 11 18
Newbury Berkshire

George Ashdown         M H  38 Plush? Manufacturer Suffolk Hadleigh
Frederick    do        M?? Son 13   Scholar             Berks Newbury
William       do               Son  11    do                      do       do
Mary Ashdown        Cousin S 30 Draper Asst    Surrey Brixton
May Waters              Serv  S  20                          Berks Newbury

So.... either of her parents have a sibling who married an Ashdown or was it her mothers maiden name?
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: GailS on Friday 06 November 09 02:03 GMT (UK)
Hi, Mothers maiden name was ALLOWAY, she and Henry married in 1850.

There is an older son called John, he came to NZ (time ?) but married in 1874. He is my Great Great Grandfather, and I know a wee bit about him. But I would really love to know about his sister.

Has Mary as a dressmaker in the 1881 census.

Gail
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: madpants on Friday 06 November 09 02:07 GMT (UK)
Maybe she's not on census because she decided to emigrate too?
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: GailS on Friday 06 November 09 02:11 GMT (UK)
I thought of that too, but thus far cant find any record of her coming to NZ, or a marriage or death in NZ.

Information for this family seems to come to me in fits and starts lol. But any info is gr8 info.  :)

Cheers, Gail
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: DebbieG on Saturday 07 November 09 16:27 GMT (UK)
Have you seen the one who is  a lodger in Newcastle in 1891

she gives her age as 26 so she's fibbing a bit (or someone is guessing)  but the place of birth as Brixton is right as is the occupation of dressmaker

RG12-4204 Fo76 P20

DebbieG
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: GailS on Saturday 07 November 09 18:58 GMT (UK)
Hi DebbieG

No I didn't see that, I will be off to the library first thing monday!

Is Newcastle near the other areas they have been in? Please excuse my lack of knowledge in England geography, one thing I want to get is a really detailed map.

Thanks.

Gail
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: DebbieG on Sunday 08 November 09 07:56 GMT (UK)
No Gails

I am afraid that Newcastle is about 200 miles from London  but as she gives her birthplace as Brixton Hill, London she is a long way from home whoever she is.

DebbieG
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: lbdman on Sunday 15 November 09 22:49 GMT (UK)
I Cannot help you regarding Mary, but I can help if you want it, going back

Your Henry Gunter was bapt St. Stephens Baughurst 29 Oct 1829 Parents David c1794 & Jane

On Census 1851 & 61 David gives his birth location as Aldermaston, which means he links to my Gunter ancestors, unfortunately I cannot find a baptism for him to link him and his descendants to a particular Branch. I realise I can add him to my database, as I am pretty sure (95%) the Mary Alloway he married is the daughter of Jacob Alloway & Hannah West and I have that line of Alloway (formerly known as Scot) back to the early 1700's.

Regarding 1901 in those days the workhouse was also the infirmary, and given his age, he may well have been there for health reasons especially if Mary was working away from the area. The workhouse evolved to the Battle Hospital (Where I was born) and now sadly a housing estate.

Bob
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: matt94 on Friday 04 December 09 21:45 GMT (UK)
I go to school in Baughurst.. I live in Tadley and my family lived in Aldermaston not too long ago....

Matt
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: Daisypetal on Saturday 05 December 09 15:44 GMT (UK)
 Hi,

I found this marriage,

Mary GUNTER    Sep Q 1891     Newcastle Upon Tyne    10b  71 
John William TERRY with same details.


This looks like the family in 1901,

RG13/4437  f.41  p.6  York, Yorkshire
7 Charles St

John W TERRY    Head    29    Livery Stable Proprietor    York
Mary                 Wife    35                                      London
Marion E            Daur     3                                     York


In 1911 a Mary TERRY age 48, born Brixton is living in York with,

TERRY
John William  38
Marion Elizabeth 13
Marjorie  8


Possible death,

Mary TERRY    Jun Q 1937    age: 74    York    9d  7


Regards
Daisy
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: GailS on Saturday 05 December 09 18:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Daisy and Matt,

Thank you for the info.

Yes it does look like my Mary, I guess now I need to start looking at the TERRY family.

I "googled" Aldermaston not so long ago, it looks like a lovely place, I wonder if any GUNTER's still live there? Also Baughurst and Tadley.

Regards,

Gail.
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: cripesamighty on Wednesday 23 December 09 21:13 GMT (UK)
My great grandmother on my mothers side , Minnie Matilda May Gunter, was born in Tadley in 1899.

Wonder if she is related to David & Jane?

(thinking out loud)
:)
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: GailS on Thursday 24 December 09 17:15 GMT (UK)
Hi cripesamighty,

Merry Christmas.

She may well be,  ;D Just to confuse the matter there are 2 Davids born about the same time in Aldermaston, one has a wonderful recorded history and the other is mine lol  :D  So I am always on the lookout for any scrap of information I can find.

I will keep you posted if/when I find out more .......

Regards,

Gail.
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 24 December 09 17:23 GMT (UK)
Hi DebbieG

Please excuse my lack of knowledge in England geography, one thing I want to get is a really detailed map.

Thanks.

Gail

Gail use www.streetmap.co.uk and you can enter places or streets.
If you pan out you can get a rough idea of our geography.
Even people who have lived there all their lives didn't listen to their geography teacher  ;D

Carol
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: cripesamighty on Thursday 24 December 09 19:11 GMT (UK)
Thank you Gails.

The county boarders have changed since those days..so Tadley is probably in Berkshire now....but Baughurst is also given as birth place for my great grandmother.
She was the daughter of Thomas Dance Gunter & Clara Rachael Marshall.
They married in Kingsclere..and were living at The Drove, Crux Easton, Whitchurch, Highclere, Kingsclere Hampshire, England in 1911.

Her birth gro is
Births Sep 1899
Gunter  Minnie Matilda M     Kingsclere  2c 225

Her line goes back to Sir Peter in 1034/5

Through the Gunters of Aldermaston and then those of Kintbury..then back into Wales.
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: newburychap on Monday 28 December 09 13:22 GMT (UK)
The county boarders have changed since those days..so Tadley is probably in Berkshire now....
The county border still runs between Tadley (Hants) and Aldermaston (Berks) though on a slightly different line. Tadley has grown and taken over a narrow strip of Aldermaston.
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: cripesamighty on Monday 28 December 09 15:17 GMT (UK)
Thank you newburychap for your input.
We forget that some of the things we talk about are many years ago...and things have changed since then.. :-).
I wonder if The Drove, Crux Easton is still there?..anyone have a photo? ;)

I never meet any of my grandparents..I didn't even know their names till last year!. :(

Did I hear the Alloway name mentioned? ???
I also have the Alloway name in my tree..Moses Alloway c.1762..married Mary Gunter
They had a son Moses b.1787 who married an Elizabeth Wallace in Scotland in 1818.

Ring any bells with anyone!

Regards
Paul
Title: Re: Mary GUNTER
Post by: GailS on Monday 28 December 09 22:06 GMT (UK)
Hi cripesamighty

Yep you sure did here the name Alloway. I have some in my family tree, and they are also connected a way back in the Gunter tree.

I will PM you some info when I get home as I am just rushing out the door!

Regards,

Gail.