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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: clarah on Monday 02 November 09 22:04 GMT (UK)
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I read that anyone doing Mangan family history believe they are linked to the 19th century poet James Clareance. Does anyone know where James father was from? Is there a published family tree to see if ones Mangan roots are linked or not? Has anyone done any research in this area?
The only info I have is that he was born in 1803 and had two siblings. He was the son of James Mangan, a grocer, and his mother was Catherine Smith. Was his father from Shanagolden, Co Limerick?
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Hi clarah,
there are 5 people on rootschat who have the surname Mangan in their names of interest.You could send them a pm and see if they have any info;in case they don't see this thread.You can find their details in the SIT table, just click on the surnames button at the top of this page.
Tony
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Hi Clarah,
My grandfather was James Valentine Mangan from Belfast, his father was Andrew Mangan from Eire and we've always been told that James "Clarence - more a stage name" Mangan was an ancestor.
I have read his auto bio and there's no mention of his offspring though, so we now believe he's more great-g-g uncle.
Frank Crummy in Dublin is my mum's cousin who used to write for the Irish Times and he has been researching this also as like my mum the Mangan name is on the nee side of his family but he also believes we have a link to the poet.
Mangan's auto bio reveals the parentage - worth a read, quite a tragic figure.
keep the link alive and add to it if either of us discover any more.
Cheers,
Stephen
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James Clarence's father was
James Mangan (a native of Shanagolden, Co.Limerick, )
married in Apr 1798 Catherine Smith
Children
1. James Clarence Mangan,
Maybe if we try and piece it together we can get a JC Mangan family tree.
If anyone has any further info on siblings and /or children please add it in.
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Hi Clarah,
James Clarence Mangan (JCM), born in Fishamble Street, Dublin, 1st May, 1803, and died in Dublin 20 June, 1849.
Clarence (nom de plume from 1820's onward) Mangan's father was indeed James Mangan also, a grocer, and now we have him from Shanagolden Yale, Co Limerick.
Yes, Catherine Smith was his mother and also he reveals in his autobiography that he had two brothers (some reckon one older and one younger, whereas others reckon John b. 1804 and William b. 1808) and one younger sister (some reckon she died young).
Catherine Smith was from a farming family from Kiltale, Co. Meath. However, her grandfather, John Smith, was a publican in Fishamble Street and it appears that JCM's father and Catherine Smith married in April 1798 then moved to Dublin in 1801 where they set up a business already generated by Catherine's aunt in Dublin.
I'm still reviewing my other Mangan books I've collected over the years for more clues.
My family line on my mother's side is that her grandfather was James "Valentine" Mangan (b. 14 feb 1875 - dublin) who married in 1900 a Liverpudlian (Mary Josephine Walker b.1878). His father was Andrew Mangan (b. circa 1850) , so we believe Andrew was possibly a nephew of James Clarence Mangan (JCM).... still to be proven by me though. My Grandmother always claimed the Mangan's moved to "Royal Meath" and hence always loved the lyrics of the Foggy Dew song - "From the plains of Royal Meath". So I have some more clues to go on. Also, JCM did die in the Meath Hospital, Dublin (ironically).
Unfortunately, my relative Frank Crummey is busy preparing for a book launch in Dublin for 9th March this year and hasn't responded with what he's unearthed with his family's link to JCM. I'll keep the forum posted of his results when I receive them probably after the book launch.
Stephen.
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I read that anyone doing Mangan family history believe they are linked to the 19th century poet James Clareance. Does anyone know where James father was from? Is there a published family tree to see if ones Mangan roots are linked or not? Has anyone done any research in this area?
The only info I have is that he was born in 1803 and had two siblings. He was the son of James Mangan, a grocer, and his mother was Catherine Smith. Was his father from Shanagolden, Co Limerick?
I think you are quite right about the link to James C Mangan. Apparently, my grandfather told all of his children that his Uncle was James Clarence Mangan. We now realise he was probably telling one of his tall stories.
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My family line on my mother's side is that her grandfather was James "Valentine" Mangan (b. 14 feb 1875 - dublin) who married in 1900 a Liverpudlian (Mary Josephine Walker b.1878).
Marriage in Belfast - 13 November 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10360/5771643.pdf
Mary Walker (as married) in 1901 census - born Liverpool (stroked out)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Spruce_Street/971586/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000335495/
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Mangan - Walker children
Eliza Jane 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01946/1752177.pdf
James Andrew 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01787/1701851.pdf
Mary 1907
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01701/1674760.pdf
Isabel 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01595/1641187.pdf
Kathleen 1910
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01552/1627740.pdf
Living at house 14 in Spruce Street (Cromac, Antrim) in 1911 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Spruce_Street/167104/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001487304/