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Hi, I've been trying to work out a bit of a confusing case in my tree of a Samuel Pigott born around 1837 in Sheffield.
I was having a lot of trouble finding him for some years in the census, but eventually found out that he had called himself Samuel Anderson in 1861 and 1871, and then had reverted to being Samuel Pigott in 1881, 1891 & 1901.
Some of his children also used the name Anderson or Henderson as a surname or had the name Anderson or Henderson as their middle name.
I got a copy of Samuel's marriage certificate and he is named as Pigott, but his father is named as William Anderson, a cutler.
This Anderson name has thrown a bit of a spanner in the works, becuase I thought Samuel's parents were Samuel and Ann Pigott, who I had him living with in the 1841 and 1851 census, and had found a baptism for in 1837 in Sheffield Parish Church.
I've been trying to find William Anderson/Henderson, or a baptism for Samuel as either Pigott or Anderson/Henderson, or any marriages between Pigott's and Anderson/Hendersons on Ancestry, IGI, sheffieldindexers.com and every web site I can think of but have had no luck. They don't seem to have the parish records for the right time period available.
So, here are my questions:
1. Are there any baptisms in Sheffield around 1837 for a Samuel Pigott? (APART FROM the one I have already found which is at Sheffield Parish Church, May 7 1837, parents Ann & Samuel)
2. Are there any baptisms in Sheffield around 1837 for a Samuel Anderson or Henderson? (With a father called William)
3. Are there any marriages in Sheffield at any time between a Pigott and an Anderson or Henderson?
4. Do you have any other ideas, explanations, advice about this? Because I am stumped! ???
Thanks a million for any help and advice,
Cate
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hi Cate - Samuel Pigott is my 3rd Great Grandfather and I too am stumped by the confusion . I tried to follow if his wife had any Anderson/Henderson connection but cant find that either .
On the marriage certificate (which I would love a copy of if you could ?) did he marry Ann Wilson or Ann Birley ??
Annie Eliza Pigott married my maternal Great Grandfather Harry Bertram in 1912
regards Diane Neal (nee palmer)
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Hi Diane, thanks for your message. Samuel married Ann Wilson in 1857, I can't see how to attach a copy of the certificate in this message, so I'll send you a private message.
I haven't found out much more info about the Pigotts/Henderson connection, it's difficult because of the lack of transcriptions for sheffield parish registers.
I did find Samuel listed in the 1841 census as Samuel Henderson at Allen St, age 4 living with James Henderson, 35, pen knife manufacturer and Mary Henderson, 35.
In the 1851 census he is at Hammond St, as Samuel Henderson age 14, son, spring knife cutler born sheffield, with James Henderson, head, 44, spring knife cutler, born sheffield and Mary Henderson, wife, 46, born dover, kent.
This James Henderson who seems to be Samuels father in 1841 & 1851 is living with Samuel & Ann Anderson at 20 West John St in the 1861 census, and is living near them at 140 solly st in 1871 while Samuel & Ann are at 124 solly st. Although it's strange that on Samuels marriage certificate it says his father is William Henderson, so I don't know how James links in?
James Henderson was buried 26 may 1875 age 68 at sheffield st mary. Mary Henderson was buried 30 sep 1860 age 52 sheffield st mary.
Wish I could find a birth record for Samuel Anderson/Henderson/Pigott, it's unlucky he was born just before registration started in 1837!
Best wishes,
Cate
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All I can suggest is look in the Quarter sessions records 1834 to 1838 for a bastardy order on William Anderson for payment to a spinster woman called Pigott (Pigot, Piggot or Piggott) paid through the overseer of a Sheffield, Attercliffe, Rotherham or Bradfield and Ecclesfield parish's
Sometimes Illegitimate births were recorded in Workhouse records or baptised years later after an illegitimate birth. These records will be in Sheffield, Rotherham or Barnsley Archives
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Thanks very much dobfarm, that's a great idea, I'd forgotten about bastardy orders. I'll have to try and have a visit to Sheffield archives soon.
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Hi Cate
I have pretty much the same as you -
Pigott, Samuel (of Sheffield, born 1837-04-14). Baptised May 7, 1837, by E Goodwin at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield. Parents name(s) are Ann & Samuel (Joiner).
1841 Census I have Samuel & Ann , George,Harriett, Mary Elizabeth, Samuel Ann & Stephen at Allen st /Morpeth street
1851 Samuel Ann Mary Elilzabeth Samuel Ann & Charles at 28 Ct, 9 Granville Street
1861 Samuel Ann John James & Margaret all listed as Andersons at 20 WestJohn Street then on the next page is James Henderson at 20 West John Street
1871 Sam, Ann, John,Margaret Mary Herbert & ALice at 124 Solly Street - again as Andersons
1881 Samuel, Ann Margaret Mary Eliz,Herbert,Alice Jospeh & Frederick at 150 Solly Street as Pigotts
1891 Samauel & Fred at 150 Solly Street as Pigotts
1901 Samuel Frederick Martha & Martha Pigott at 150 Solly Street
Death 1902 - The inscription on the headstone is Pigott too - cant insert it on here sadly
It seems that they adopted the Anderson surname and Henderson middle name for the children following his marriage to Ann Wilson. Maybe he found out that at that time that Samuel Pigott wasnt really his father or they had a fall out or something or maybe James Henderson was simply a border who signed their marriage certificate for some reaosn ?
I didnt get the pic of the marriage certificate but if you could send it outside of this website to di.neal1@btinternet.com that would be great and I will send you pics I have of all the Pigotts headstones .
maybe between the 2 of us we can crack this mystery ! :) Di x
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Death
1902 25 Jul Age: 65
Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
PIGOTT, Samuel (S K Cutler, age 65). Died at 150 Solly Street; Buried on July 30, 1902 in Consecrated ground; Grave Number 79, Section D3 of Burngreave Cemetery, Sheffield. Parent or Next of Kin if Available: . Remarks: Officiating Minist
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D3 79
In loving memory of Annie the beloved wife of SAMUEL PIGOTT who died November 11 1897 ag 57 years
Weep not, husband & children dear, I am not dead but sleepiing here
Grive not for me nor sorrwo make, but love each other for my sake
ALso of the above SAMUEL PIGOTT who died July 25 1902 age 65 years
ALso HETTIE beloved daughter of HERBERT & ADA PIGOTT who died August 19 1903 age 3 years
ALso of the above HERBERT PIGOTT who died August 2 1918 age 49 years
Also ADA wife of the above HERBERT PIGOTT who died January 31 1945 age 74 years
Reunited
Also SAMUEL PIGOTT beloved son of the above who died Febryary 19 1956 age 62 years
Reunited
There ya go !
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Did you also know that Samuel & Ann had another 5 childern who died :
Florence 1864 -1865
Arthur 1866 - 1867
Samuel 1868 - 1868
William Henry 1875 1875
Annie B 1876 1877
who are all buried togther at Burngreave cemeterey grave no 15 Z4
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Hi Di, thanks very much for the headstone inscription, that's great.
Good news, I've had a bit of a breakthrough with the Henderson's! I think things are becoming a bit clearer, here is what I've found:
- The Samuel Pigott baptised at Sheffield parish church May 7 1837 with parents Samuel & Ann Pigott, and the family of Samuel & Ann Pigott with their children including Samuel in the 1841 & 1851 census is <b>NOT</b> our Samuel! Apparently this Samuel Pigott died aged 22, and was buried Nov 10 1859 at St John cemetery. I don't think this family are connected at all to our Samuel. (which is a shame because I had been happily tracing them back in Ecclesfield for a while before I found the Henderson name!)
- Our Samuel seems to have been living with <b>James Henderson</b> and his wife Mary in the 1841 & 1851 census, at Allen St in 1841 & Hammond St in 1851. He is listed as son of theirs in the 1851 census. James is still living with Samuel in 1861 at 20 West John St, Mary died in 1860.
- On Samuel's marriage certificate to Ann Wilson his name is Samuel Pigott but his father is <b>William Anderson</b>. So it seems that William Anderson/Henderson was his real father but he was raised by James Henderson.
- I've found a baptism for James Henderson, 30 Nov 1806 at Sheffield cathedral, parents Samuel (a cutler) & Betty Henderson. James has a younger bother William Henderson baptised 3 Aug 1814 at Sheffield cathedral with the same parents Samuel & Betty Henderson.
- So it seems that William Henderson might have had a child in 1837 called Samuel, but for some reason his older brother James Henderson brought the child up. Maybe Samuel was illegitimate, or maybe it was because James & Mary couldn't have children themselves and so adopted Samuel (they don't have any other children in the 1841 or 1851 census).
- Maybe the name change to Pigott which first shows up at Samuels marriage in 1857 was because Samuel found out that James wasn't really his father, maybe someone told him this for the first time because they knew he would have to put his fathers name on the marriage certificate?
- I still don't know where Samuel chose the Pigott name from. Maybe James wife Mary was called Pigott (can't find a marriage record for James yet so don't know), or Samuels real mother who had the child with William was called Pigott.
- The only connection with a Pigott name I've found so far is that a sister of James & William Henderson called Ann Henderson (baptised 1 Dec 1802) might have married a John Pigott 31 Oct 1830 at Ecclesfield. If so that John Pigott would be Samuels uncle.
- The parents of James & William Henderson were Samuel Henderson & Betty Beardshaw married 24 May 1802 at Ecclesfield.
- Betty Beardshaw was baptised 12 May 1782 at Sheffield cathedral, parents John & Rachel Beardshaw.
- John Beardshaw & Rachel Calow married 28 Aug 1774 at Sheffield cathedral.
- Samuel Henderson and Betty Beardshaw had 10 children, all baptised at Sheffield cathedral:
- Ann 1 Dec 1802
- John 4 Jan 1805
- <b>James</b> 30 Nov 1806
- Sarah 3 Jan 1809
- Betty 22 Feb 1811
- Samuel 25 Apr 1813
- <b>William</b> 3 Aug 1814
- Martha 4 Jul 1817
- Mary 10 Jan 1821
- Jane listed on sheffieldindexers.com as born 11 Dec <b>1822,</b>, but baptised 2 Oct 1842??
I'm still looking for a birth/baptism for Samuel in 1837, if he was illegitimate there might be a bastardy order for him. Also looking for marriages for James or William Henderson.
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Check the marriage where the father is/was William Anderson to see if Samuel 'left is mark' or whether he signed his name or his bride Ann, as if the vicar or whoever filled in the register made a mistake with the name Anderson for Henderson. Thus if they 'left their marks' the would be couple would not spot or read the mistake, but if one of the couple 'signed' they could/should have spotted the error which would bring doubt on the theory.
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Thanks for that good idea dobfarm. I've just checked the marriage certificate and both Samuel and Ann made their mark, so they probably wouldn't have noticed the spelling.
The name Anderson is on the 1861 & 1871 census for Samuel too, I think it's probably just the person writing it down wrong after mishearing it. In a sheffield accent Henderson would be 'enderson which sounds very like Anderson.
Now I need to try and find a birth/baptism for Samuel in 1837. Do you know if illegitimate children were usually baptised?