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my great grandfather was levi gumble who married delilah smith-levi's father was john gumle born 1852 lewisham died 1927-he's wife was ada boswell daughter of urania boswell
i know a lot about the smith's and the boswell's i also know about the gumble's up to my geatgranfather levi but thats it....would appreciate any info on the Gumble's
thanks barney
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Hi,,do you have the 1901 census for levi ?
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Barney; I get the sneaking feeling ye've already got Bob Dawson, " A Romany in the Family " ?
If not, say the word and I'll add what he says on the Gumble name. Basically; South East. He loses track of them in 1906. Ye may well know things he never found out then?
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no have not got that book? or herd of it steve iam like a sponge at the moment so anything would help
barney
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Hi,,do you have the 1901 census for levi ?
Hello there, no i dont what does it say?
thanks barney
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morning,
have had a look through terence lee's books which state;
ada boswell bc1869 died 1939 with john gumble (known as jack) bc1858 died 1927 had 8 children according to him, levi, randie, kenzer, lily, bertie, jimmy, rainie & herbert.
do these sound like yours?
hope it helps ;D
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1901 census, living in tents and vans,off wards lane,Ilford, Town ,essex
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 1648 Folio: 50 Page: 42
SMITH, Rhoda Head Widow F 50 1851 Licensed Hawker
Blackheath
London
SMITH, Edward Son M 19 1882 Hawkers Son
Blackheath
London
SMITH, James Son Single M 22 1879 Hawkers Son
Blackheath
London
SMITH, Thomas Head Married M 24 1877 Carman General
Chigwell
Essex
SMITH, Harriet Wife Married F 23 1878
Chigwell
Essex
SMITH, Alie Daughter F 4 1897
Chigwell
Essex
SMITH, Arthur Head Married M 31 1870 Pedlar Licensed
Maidstone
Kent
SMITH, Carry Wife Married F 25 1876
Rochester
Kent
SMITH, Hester Daughter F 7 1894
Blockheath
London
SMITH, Israel Son M 3 1898
Blockheath
London
SMITH, Sophia Daughter F 0 (1 MOS) 1901
Ilford
Essex
LOVERIDGE, Walter Head Married M 47 1854 Pedlar Licensed
Harpendon
Hertfordshire
LOVERIDGE, Counciletta Wife Married F 37 1864
Egham
Surrey
LOVERIDGE, Ocean Daughter Single F 18 1883
Blackheath
London
LOVERIDGE, Kesiah Daughter Single F 15 1886
Blackheath
London
LOVERIDGE, Albert Son M 2 1899
Blackheath
London
LOVERIDGE, Frederick Son Single M 1 1900
Blackheath
London
WEBB, Israel Head Married M 45 1856 Pedlar Licensed
Blackheath
London
WEBB, Emma Wife Married F 37 1864
Chatham
Kent
WEBB, Neilus Son Single M 15 1886
Blackheath
London
WEBB, Sophia Daughter F 13 1888
Chatham
Kent
WEBB, Clara Daughter F 10 1891
Blackheath
London
WEBB, Israel Son M 8 1893
Blackheath
London
GUMBLE, John Head Married M 49 1852 Hawker Licensed
Lewisham
London
GUMBLE, Ada Wife Married F 33 1868
Lewisham
GUMBLE, Bertie Son M 12 1889
Lewisham
GUMBLE, Levi Son M 10 1891
Lewisham
GUMBLE, Randall Son M 8 1893
Lewisham
GUMBLE, Keniza Daughter F 5 1896
Lewisham
GUMBLE, Albert Son M 2 1899
Lewisham
LAZELL, Lazarus Head Married M 31 1870 Pedlar Licensed
Maidstone
Kent
LAZELL, Mary Wife Married F 32 1869
Maidstone
Kent
LAZELL, Mary Daughter F 12 1889
Maidstone
Kent
LAZELL, Annie Daughter F 4 1897
Maidstone
Kent
LAZELL, William Son M 3 1898
Maidstone
Kent
JONES, John Head Widower M 60 1841 Pedlar Licensed
Mitcham
Surrey
JONES, John Head Married M 23 1878 Pedlar Licensed
Mitcham
Surrey
JONES, Ada Wife Married F 22 1879
Leatherhead
Surrey
JONES, John Son M 3 1898
Leatherhead
Surrey
JONES, Leonard Son M 1 1900
Leatherhead
Surrey
COOPER, Mathias Head Single M 23 1878 Pedlar Licensed
Blackheath
London
COOPER, Patience Mother Widow F 53 1848
N K
COOPER, George Brother Single M 19 1882 Pedlar Licensed
Blackheath
London
COOPER, Oliver Brother Single M 17 1884 General Labourer
Blackheath
Kent
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hi,,i believe that the names in the book do refer to your gumble family,,,as the 1901 census does have john,ada,levi and bertie.....the other children are born after the 1901 census.The family can be found in the 1911 census.
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Barney; According to Bob, the name Gumble was found being used by Gypsys between 1891 - 1906. In the 'counties' of (deep breath.....) East Anglia, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, London, Middlesex, Norfolk, Suffolk and Sussex.
There. So that might now give ye a geographic feel for them too.
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notes from daily telegraph newspaper;
23/06/1908 ada gumble (40) & ellen lee (40) in reported case of fortune-telling. ;)
believe ada & john/jack were living at belvedere. (england)
he is buried plumstead cemetry norton road belvedere
thats it im afraid, but if i find any more i will let you know. :D
just to add that at times i have seen their surname down as gumbill/gumbrill/gamble/gumball in some census so may be worth doing a search with different spelling variations. kushti bok
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Hi Barney
I have come across Levi Gumble & Delilah in my notes today
Levi Gumble bn. 1887, bp.14/07/1885 at Orpington, d. 21/02/1970
married Delilah Smith (daughter of James edmunton) 13/02/1915 All Saints
Parents:
Ada Boswell bc.1869
John 'jack' Gumble
Ada's parents:
Urania Lee 1851 (Queen of the Gypsies)
Levi Boswell 1847
Urania's parents:
Abraham Lee 1930
Mary Smith ('Pol')
Hope it helps, thats all I have.
Donna
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thank you donna i have most of that info....i would love to know who john gumbles parents are?
great photo donna
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No real Info for you however i can confirm that i am a current decendent of part of the Gumble family that originally came from norfolk, suffolk area however they traveled as far south as london and possibly kent so that may explain why the name seems so spread out.
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Barney,
In the 1881 english Census for St Pancras, Marylebone, there are a large number of Gumbles 'living in tents' living with Lees, Smiths and a Read, at the end of the census district.
One of these 1881 Gumbles, Phoebe, listed as a hawker, wed Romany hawker Stephen Clark in Horsmonden, near Tonbridge, on 28/09/1891. It seems from this that the Gumbles must have come south at some point, maybe to pick hops in Kent. If this happened once, you can bet it was a tradition to do it regular, as it was for the Clarks.
Hope this helps
Neil
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Hi Barney,just joined up to this site and read your post.I am the great-great-great grandson of Urania Lee(queen of gypsies).My name is Andy Greig,and my grandfather(James Greig)was the son of Robert"Henry"Greig and Edith"Ada"Boswell.Hope this helps.
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Hi, I hope you don't mind me contacting you, I see a post here from 2013 so hope you pick this up. My name is Tricia Gray nee Boswell, my mother is Patsy Boswell nee Greig, her mother was Ada Greig nee Boswell born in 1898 and died at 99 years old and her mother and father were Hendry Greig and Ada Boswell. I think we might be related. We all live in Scotland now and my mother is 75 and can tell you anything you need to know about her granny and grandfather. You can get me on (*) if it is of interest to you. We would love to connect with family who knew of that era. Tricia X
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Huge posting in here on Boswells - saw the name Urania in there. If you haven't already seen it, probably worth a look!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=search2
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Hi grerew001 and chookie,
A wee bit more information if it help. Ada Boswells parents were Frampton Boswell who was married to Jane sherriff they had four kids but I think two died young. Ada had a big family and used a lot of old family names like shadrack mishac abednego Greig aka Mick or mushy, which would be one of your uncle's, as well as James/Jimmy, ruby, Hendry/Harry, Edith/ Ada etc. I remember meeting Jimmy when I was younger. One of old adas sisters was Vesuvius later known as Zuby.
Robert Hendry Greig family spent a long time in the Dumfries area where one of your ancestors was hanged in kirkcudbright for being a terrorising vagabond and thief in around 1760 the others in the group who pled guilty were transported. There's also a bit of scandal involved in the family too. There's an extract in the Aberdeen court records of a Robert Hendry Greig, horsedealer of Maitland street, Glasgow being granted an uncontested divorce in 1921. I can only presume he divorced in Aberdeen to save the shame as he was he had gained a lot of respect in Glasgow by this time and also because he was still married to Ada at this time.
I hope this helps with your research. I've so far gotten as far a 1720s in my own research leading to kaki Jack Boswell. We are also descended from Welsh romances as some of our words have roots there and are quite different from English romanies all though that is how we are classed, English romanichels. Cushti bok.
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Hi I'm new here and just found this group I'm a Gumble in south west London Wandsworth there are a few of us down here my grandad is James Gumble his dad was mark Gumble is anyone still active here
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Hello Chloe and welcome to Rootschat.
This is an old thread and many of the posters have made only a few posts. They should receive an email notification of your post and hopefully be in touch if they are still around.
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Hi my uncle Jimmy grieg died a few years ago and his cousin was my grandad Alexander hendry and his cousin brother Frampton boswell and my great great gran was ada boswell grieg and I'd love to try find relatives. x Brenda
Hi Barney,just joined up to this site and read your post.I am the great-great-great grandson of Urania Lee(queen of gypsies).My name is Andy Greig,and my grandfather(James Greig)was the son of Robert"Henry"Greig and Edith"Ada"Boswell.Hope this helps.
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Hi I am related to you trisha. Ada was my dad's great aunt and he was at her funeral in lochgilped. His name was Alexander hendry Eadie. Jimmy grieg was my great uncle as was Frampton boswell. I'd love to get in touch find my true roots I only have bits and pieces x Brenda x
Hi, I hope you don't mind me contacting you, I see a post here from 2013 so hope you pick this up. My name is Tricia Gray nee Boswell, my mother is Patsy Boswell nee Greig, her mother was Ada Greig nee Boswell born in 1898 and died at 99 years old and her mother and father were Hendry Greig and Ada Boswell. I think we might be related. We all live in Scotland now and my mother is 75 and can tell you anything you need to know about her granny and grandfather. You can get me on (*) if it is of interest to you. We would love to connect with family who knew of that era. Tricia X
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Hi my uncle Jimmy grieg died a few years ago and his cousin was my grandad Alexander hendry and his cousin brother Frampton boswell and my great great gran was ada boswell grieg and I'd love to try find relatives. x BrendaHi Barney,just joined up to this site and read your post.I am the great-great-great grandson of Urania Lee(queen of gypsies).My name is Andy Greig,and my grandfather(James Greig)was the son of Robert"Henry"Greig and Edith"Ada"Boswell.Hope this helps.
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Hi there!
I have no idea if this discussion is still open, the last comment was made almost a decade ago.
I was talking to my Glaswegian grandmother here in Australia about our family history. Her name is Annie, she's 91 now (b. 1933) her father was William Boswell Greig, a very short man, one of 9 siblings. His parents were Ada Boswell and Robert Henry Greig. I wonder if I am related to anyone here!
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Absolutely 👍 let’s add your grandad Shadrach Meshach (“Micky”) Greig into the draft so others on RootsChat see the full picture.
Here’s the revised version:
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Subject: Help tracing Greig & Boswell family (Glasgow / Aberdeen links)
Hello,
I’m researching my family tree and hoping someone with knowledge of the Greig and Boswell families might be able to help fill some gaps.
• My ancestor Meshach Greig was born 3 March 1891 at 49 Burnside Street, Glasgow.
• His parents were Robert Henry Greig, Iron Turner, and Ada Boswell.
• They married in 1883 at St Nicholas, Aberdeen.
• Ada Boswell’s parents were William Boswell (hawker) and Rebecca Jackson.
• I have also come across references to other Boswells in Glasgow and Hamilton (including an Oliver Boswell with children), and I’m wondering if/how these branches connect.
• My Greigs later lived around Burnside Street, Possilpark / Ashgill Street, Glasgow and were connected by marriage to the McAllister family.
• My grandfather Shadrach Meshach (“Micky”) Greig was born 1921 in Glasgow, son of Meshach Greig and Sarah McAllister. He later married Janet (Jenny) Gallacher in 1941 at Possilpark, Glasgow.
I’d be especially interested if anyone has:
• Information on siblings of Meshach Greig (b. 1891), or of his mother Ada Boswell.
• Any evidence of Boswell / Greig connections in Aberdeen or Glasgow in the late 1800s.
• Knowledge of nicknames like “Zuby” Greig or similar in Boswell/Greig families.
Many thanks in advance — any leads or shared knowledge would be greatly appreciated!
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There were Gumbles living on Belvedere Marshes, after the floods some moved up to Chapman/Roberts/Salmon Rds nr Brook St Cemetery.