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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: rdarby on Wednesday 28 October 09 12:12 GMT (UK)
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I was wondering if the prison at Banff still exists. My gg grandfather, Alexander Allan was held there in 1843 after being "caught" for stealing cattle. He claimed that he bought them from a man on the road, but apparently no one believed him and he was transported to Australia in 1844. Are there any records of the prison. any photos?
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I have this from the Aberdeen Journal:
Aberdeen Journal 16th Dec 1840: "NOTICE Whereas, on the night between 11th and 12th December 1840 Jean Gordon or Brian, accused of sheep-stealing --[and a married couple]--- made their escape from the prison of Banff." At her trial in April '41 it was revealed that she made her escape by burning a hole large enough for a small hand in the door of her cell using a peat from the fire. Another fire was set to burn through the outer door.
Aberdeen Journal Apr 28th 1841: "Jean Gordon or Brien, from Oakenbrae, King Edward charged with having, in September last , stolen 26 sheep from a hillside in the Cabrach. She pleaded Not Guilty. In this case, it appeared that the panel was a natural daughter of ---- Gordon, at Bank of Cabrach, and that during his lifetime he had given her occasional assistance, and, as she said, had promised to leave her £100, but left her nothing, though he left £300 to his natural son. The property was left to John Gordon and his son, the brother and nephew of the deceased. Jean Gordon had a large family of children (7chiildren), and the cattle were stolen from her uncle and cousin, who never gave her anything.
Found guilty and sentenced to 12 months in prison. Sentenced to 4 months for breaking out of jail."
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I found the prison on an old OS map of Banff. Is it still there?
Roger
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Looking at modern maps it would appear that the School is now on that site, but maybe someone with better local knowledge could tell you.
Looks as though all that's left is a wall.
http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/229396/details/banff+st+catherine+street+jail+walls/
Kirsty
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I took a trip over to Banff today and asked around about the prison. In fact I fell in with some very interesting company there, and gathered quite a lot of information.
The original jail was in the Tolbooth, which was on the corner of Low Street and Strait Path. This, however, was demolished and a new building erected in 1801.
In 1797 a new Town House was built on the other side of Low Street, and this building, which still stands, contains cells which would have been used as the burgh prison.
Some time in the 1800s, a new jail was built in Reidhaven Street. It has since been demolished, apart from a couple of turrets, and replaced by a block of flats. Unfortunately I have yet to discover exactly when it was built. It isn't marked on the 1832 town plan, but it is on the Ordnance Survey 25-inch map dated 1866.
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Hi, you might find the following link useful:
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/sc-22049-53-low-street-tolbooth-hotel-and-old-jail
Regards
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An afterthought to my last post...
There's also a Jail Lane in Banff (use Google Maps and you'll find it). Don't know if it's relevant or not...
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If you haven't already found them, the trial papers for Alexander Allan's trial are in the National Archives of Scotland ref JC26/1843/144. You can search the catalogue online at www.nas.gov.uk.
Also there are pictures and illustrations of Banff Tolbooth where Alexander Allan may have been held at http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/76723/digital_images/banff+low+street+tolbooth+steeple/
My 3x great grandfather was held there about 10 years earlier!
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If you haven't already found them, the trial papers for Alexander Allan's trial are in the National Archives of Scotland ref JC26/1843/144. You can search the catalogue online at www.nas.gov.uk.
Also there are pictures and illustrations of Banff Tolbooth where Alexander Allan may have been held at http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/76723/digital_images/banff+low+street+tolbooth+steeple/
My 3x great grandfather was held there about 10 years earlier!
Thanks for your information. It is greatly appreciated. I have obtained the papers you mentioned from the NAS, and they were certainly interesting! Pages and pages of witness statements and evidence gathered with great zeal to convict Alexander. I still think he was innocent! Anyway, he was convicted and transported to Van Diemens Land in 1844. He left a wife and child behind, never to see again - married again and had several children in Australia, one of which was my great grandmother.
The link to the pictures of the Banff Tolbooth was also great to see. Was that part of the old gaol or was a separate building? I understood that the original gaol was replaced a long time ago.
What was your 3x great grandfather in the prison for, dare I ask?
thanks again, Roger
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The tolbooth in a scottish burgh was the council building, court and jail. I think the prison cells were usually used to hold people for a short time until they appeared in court. The cells in the picture, which are probably are still in existence, date at least from the latter part of the 18th century. Next time I manage to get to Banff I'll try to take a look. The building is still council offices.
My 3 ggfather was arrested for forgery and according to the papers at NAS was held at the Banff tolbooth. Somehow he was released from prison before his trial, didn't turn up at Aberdeen High Court to face the charges and was declared an outlaw! He obviously didn't fancy a trip to Australia!
I've written an article about it and it is in the Christmas 2012 issue of Family Tree magazine that's out now!
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I'll look out for it!
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Hello,
Jumping in here as I just found a possible connection to my Argyll born ancestor. I did not expect to find any Banff connections ever, but on another RC page someone left a link for a very helpful site http://www.scottishindexes.com/ where all sorts of records are being transcribed by volunteers. Check it out. Anyway, my great great grandfather, Archibald MCKINNON, (abt. 1813 - ?) was born at Kilninian Mull, Argyll and married 1st Catherine MCARTHUR, then 2nd Christina MCDOUGALL. He married his 2nd wife on Coll in 1849 and they are found on Tiree in 1851, then in Bonhill, Dumbartonshire in 1861. After that, Archibald vanishes (I can find no death) but Christina died at the home of a niece in Hutchensontown, Lanarkshire in 1886. I did find a death for an Archibald MCKINNON in a poor house in Dumbartonshire in 1869 but the deatails on the record are so few that I am not certain who he was. So today, I found an Archibald MCKINNON, Argyll born, labourer, no fixed address, registered in prison in Banff in 1863. How might I find out more? Thank you!
Mary
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Just to go back to what Forfarian said about Reidhaven Street and the old turret forming part of new housing.
A few years ago we stayed in the house that incorporates the turret - it was a holiday let. The turret was the kitchen. Thank goodness it was not the bedroom or I would never have slept a wink. It had a cold feeling about it although the newly build part of the house was fine.
Dorrie