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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: belindy on Wednesday 28 October 09 05:41 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone,
My great-aunt has been trying to find the birth of John KIDSON for a very very long time.
She has just turned 80 and I would like to try and find the information for her as a surprise.
We think John KIDSON was born c1808 at Windsor. His parents names are unknown but his father's name might be Thomas GODDARD who owned an inn.
He either attended Eton College as a student or he worked there.
John was a gardener at the Royal Gardens and married Amelia TUCK who was a lace maker for Queen Victoria.
They named their first child Catherine.
They came to NZ in 1842.
My aunt has been in contact with Eton College but they didn't hold any information regarding John's birth.
Any help is very much appreciated.
Sincerely
Belinda
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There is a Ancestral File for him which states born 1808 Winsor
and a christening date of 3 Aug 1810 but no parents or location ???
http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/search/frameset_search.asp
as yet can't pinpoint anything to confirm
Regards Judi
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Another interesting link for your man
http://www.theprow.org.nz/john-kidson-1808-187/
Sorry if you already have seen this.
Regards Judi
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Hi Judi,
Was it common for children to be christened and have no parents or location recorded?
In a letter he wrote to Reverend Henry DUPOIS John wrote: Please give my kind love to to my father Thomas GODDARD at the Bull Inn in Pescod Street; he is the only relation I have, tho I dare not wright to him. I must still own him.
We thought John's mother may have been a maid at the Inn but died during childbirth.
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Here is the 1851 census for the Bull Inn
Charles Beenham 38..Inn keepeer The Bull
Elizabeth Beenham 32
Henry Beenham 7
Alford G Beenham 5
Mary L Beenham 3
Edward H Beenham 2
Infant B Beenham under 2 Mo
Sarah Goddard 70.............................Widow ..Aunt.. Retired Innkeeper
Samuel Balls 42 Hostler
William Wright 24 Waiter
George Cross 18 Boot cleaner
Elizabeth Mardin 22 Chambermaid
Harriet Cross 15 Housemaid
Ann Atkers 38 Cook
Harriet Daley 51 nurse
Michael Calimer 42 supervisor of excise
Piece: 1695; Folio: 373; Page: 34;
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1861
Charles Beenham 47
Elizabeth Beenham 41
Charles T Beenham 19
Henry Beenham 16
Edmund H Beenham 11
Walter J Beenham 10
Richard Beenham 6
Frances Beenham 4
Sarah Goddard 76...................Widower of Inn Keeper
Ann Herridge 60
John Lane 27
Charlotte Shaw 22
Mary Ann Hetherington 17
George Kent 17
Michael Callahan 60
Thomas Marshall 44
Piece: 760; Folio: 95; Page: 16;
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1841
Thos Goddard 50 Innkeeper not born in county
Sarah Goddard 50 Born in county
Jane Davis 20
Elizth Tophia 20
Eliza Brooke 20
Henry Taplin 15
Wm Halford 25
Ed Curtis 50
Wm Wallace 50
Piece 37
Folio: 18;
Page: 31;
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I would guess this is their marriage ..still not helping answer the question ???
Sarah Newport married Thomas Goddard
Marriage: 26 DEC 1809 Eton, Buckingham, England
Regards Judi
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There is a good picture of the Bull Inn on this site
http://www.thamesweb.co.uk/windsor/windsorhistory/index.html
also Sarah Goddard is mentioned.
Regards Judi
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another little snippit
From the burials of St John the Baptist New Windsor
1844 Jan 29th Thomas Goddard of Peascod Street aged 53
There are no Kidson burials at all (1750 - 1988) however there was one
1807 Jan 23 John Kidsor son of Charles
which I thought was interesting.
DebbieG
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This looks like John & Amelia in 1841 in Eton, you probably already have this but just in case
Davis Buildings
John Kidson 30 waterman N
Amelia Kidson 28 N
John Kidson 4 Y
Amelia Kidson 3 Y
Sarah Kidson 1 Y
DebbieG
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Hmm - I've just been looking at the info above, plus the IGI for Eton Buckinghamshire. Given that Thomas Goddard was 53 when he died in 1844 he would have been born about 1790/91. There is a baptism for a Thomas Goddard in 1790 in Eton s/o Thomas & Martha. This would mean that Thomas was only 17/18 years old when John was conceived (if he was born in 1808). I very much doubt that Thomas would have been the landlord of the pub at that age, he may still have been in Eton. Where did Johns birthplace come from? could it possibly have been Eton not Windsor? maybe we are looking in the wrong place.
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DebbieG
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Thank you soooo much!!!
Is there anywhere else that may hold information? Perhaps he was fostered or adopted?
You are right about the ages though. Thomas does seem a bit young to be John's father......
Thank you again for all you advice!!! ;D
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Hi Belinda..
I am a New Zealand descendent of John & Amelia Kidson.
We believe that John's parents were in India and understand that John's father had married an indian woman and that John was sent to be educated at Eton.
We understand that both parents were killed in an uprising in India. This meant that there was no more money available so John could not continue at Eton.
I have not been able to get any further but perhaps Eton may have some records or military or Police in India.
If you can find any further information would appreciate being kept in the loop.
Good Luck
Raual
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I too am a descendant of John and Amelia Kidson in New Zealand. I am really keen to hear any more about the possible Indian connection. I did a search and found a John Kidson buried there in 1826 aged 26 which would be a bit young to be the father.
Raual - which line are you from. I am from their daughter Amelia who married John Ward
Keen to get any more info
Katrine
I have attached a photo of John Kidson
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hello Katrina. I am descended from Amelia's elder brother John. The possible India connection came through my grandmother Ruby Coleman (nee Kidson). What I wrote is all that I know about the India connection. I agree that the dates do not seem right for the John Kidson buried in 1826.
Thank you for the photo.
Regards
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I am a descendant of John and Amelia Kisdson living in Nelson, New Zealand and I have just visited their grave site this afternoon!
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Hi everyone,
Has anyone had their ancestry dna done through ftDNA or ancestry.com? Perhaps this might be the only way we can solve this mystery!
Belinda
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Hi everyone,
Recently Brian Kidson did a YDNA test through ftDNA.
Well his results show the name of Goddard!!
There has also been a Catherine Kidson found(I have attached image).
Could Catherine be John Kidsons mother and Thomas Goddard his father?
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Interestingly Charles Beenham who Sarah Goddard was living with in 1861 was also born in Clewer....