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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: ama50 on Tuesday 27 October 09 17:14 GMT (UK)
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I hope someone can help. I am trying to track down Frank and Evelyne Mitchell born 1888 and 1891 who went to Australia after August 1922. They were from Wilmington, Kent, England . Frank served in the British Army and his service record address was amended to 609, Ascot Street ? Ballarat, Victoria, Australia, sometime after 1919.
I know they were married in Wilmington, Kent in 1922, but have had no luck checking the immigration records.
Frank had a brother, Robert born 1890. From what I am told, he may have already left for Australia prior to 1920.
The remaining siblings in Wilmington lived in a house called "Ballarat", maybe relevant but I dont know anything more. Many thanks. ama
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Is it census info ID'ing their parents that you want?
(Evelyne's Maiden name was Hobden ? )
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Thanks for prompt reply! Sorry, I didnt make it very clear. I know about their lives in England, but am wanting info on their immigration and life in Australia. Anything would be really helpful ama
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In the 1891 and 1901 census (details availble if you want them), the Mitchells lived in Garden Place, Wilmington. No House names were shown ...
However, using google, a Planning application for 'BALLARAT GARDEN PLACE' can be seen in Wilmington, Dartford area.
http://www.dartford.gov.uk/planning/WL20090119.htm
Location Ballarat Garden Place Wilmington Kent
Description Erection of a single storey rear extension
Applicant Joe Spencer Ballarat Garden Place Wilmington
Agent Harry Bailey Architectural Designs Ltd 116 Kings Road Biggin Hill Kent TN16 3NQ
Ward Wilmington Dev Type Minor Dwellings 09/00026/OUT
Received 13/01/2009 Officer Mr P Nicholls
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Thank you for the planning details. I was hoping that someone might reply with info from Australia. Maybe I have posted this in the wrong place? If I have, could someone please advise me. ama
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sorry, I was tinkering away at the census before you replied, and noticed your refn to Ballarat.
just thought you might be interested to know it was still there........
hopefully someone will be along later and provide what you really want ......
Promise to desist now :P
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Hello there
IT could be very helpfull if you could give us thier parents names to help us with tracking thier deaths please
Jenn
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Thank you for replying. Frank and Robert's parents were
Henry Mitchell born 1854 Wilmington, Kent and Annie Mabson Smith born 1853 Great Glemham,
Suffolk.
Evelyne Mitchell (nee Hobden) father is given as Henry Hobden on her marriage to Frank.
I suspect her mother was Annie Maria Wallis, as Wallis is Evelyn's middle name.
Hope this helps. ama
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I live in Ballarat, and noticed the refernce to Ascot street. Have you checked the Electoral Rolls? I could do it for you if you are unable.
Roger
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Thank you for replying. It would be most helpful if you could check for me please.
The period I am interested in is from 1922 for Frank and Evelyne Mitchell as a couple.
I got the address from Frank's army service record, so I don't know how permanent it was,
only that it followed on from his Wilmington, Kent address in England.
We lose sight of Frank and his brother Robert, just a family memory that they went to Australia.
In the 1940's their nephew Ethric ( known as Eric) Mitchell also went to Australia, married there
and returned to England permanently in 1955.
Frank and Robert's unmarried siblings lived in a house called "Ballarat" in Wilmington, Kent,
where they remained for the rest of their lives.
As you can tell, I really know very little of their life, so any info. would be much appreciated.
Thank you ama
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ama, I have looked on the electoral roll but unfortunately did not find anything. There were some Mitchells in Ballarat East, but no Frank or Evelyn..
Roger
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Hi ama,
At the Ballarat Cemetery there is a cremation record for
ROBERT MITCHELL
His date or birth is not given ,but he was 74 when he died 12/11/1964., so that fits with your information
His occupation is given as Railway Employee.
His lcation is
New Cemetery. Lawn E. 10. 15
I don't see EVELYN or FRANK
Does this sound like a possible to you?
Sue
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Hi
Adding also there is ROBERT MITCHELL who has 2 war service records both ww1 & ww2 the first of which is digitised for reading.
Perhaps a read will ehlp you decide if this is your man. He was born in Kent and enlisted from BAllarat, so sounds good :D
His
Next of Kin was FLORA MITCHELL and he was a motor driver.
Sue
Link http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp
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Frank and Robert's parents were Henry Mitchell born 1854 Wilmington, Kent and Annie Mabson Smith born 1853 Great Glenham Suffolk
ama
Death
MITCHELL Robert
Father Henry Mother Annie MAKSON
At Ballarat 74 years 1964 Reg#24555
Cando
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MMmmm...
The Ascot Street address is given as his and FLora's.
Odd thing though.
There is a letter to the AIF requesting records as ROBERT has applied for benefits from the Repatriation Dept.
The letter is dated about a month after the death of the Robert I have given at the Crematorium.
Maybe he died suddenly after his application and it was not noted :-\
Sue
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Hi
FLORA MCLEOD MITCHELL is also at the New Cemetery
Aged 82 at death on 15/10/1976
She was a widow who lived at 841 Barkley Street Ballarat.
She is located E 15 R 10
Sue
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Death
MITCHELL Flora Mcleod
Father Hannah James Mother Janet WARREN
At Ballarat 82 years 1976 Reg#25471
Marriage
MITCHELL Robert
HANNAH Flora Mcleod
1914 Reg#645
Cando
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Australian Electoral Rolls
1919
MITCHELL Flora McLeod 609 Ascot Street south, Ballarat HD
MITCHELL Robert 609 Ascot Street south, Ballarat Labourer
1924
MITCHELL Flora McLeod 37 Magpie Street, Ballarat East HD
MITCHELL Robert 37 Magpie Street, Ballarat East Carpenter
1931, 1936
MITCHELL Flora McLeod 187A Barkly Street, Ballarat East HD
MITCHELL Robert 187A Barkly Street, Ballarat East HD
1937, 1949, 1954
MITCHELL Flora McLeod 185 Barkly Street, Ballarat East HD
MITCHELL Robert 195 Barkly Street, Ballarat East Carpenter
There are two service records on the NAA website for Robert MITCHELL with NOK Flora, and one states his dob is 26 January, 1890 Kent, England.
The link given by Sue has unfortunately, timed out.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
>Search now as guest user
>Use Robert Mitchell Flora as keywords to search.
One of the records has been digitised.
My comment on the dates stamped of the letter from the Repatriation Department to Army records would be that the date stamps of personnel who processed the letter. There is no actual date on the letter from the Repat. Unfortunately there is no indication of the date Robert applied to the Repatriation Dept. Just a thought, I wonder if assistance was sought for funeral costs :-\ :-\
Births in Victoria are only available to 1920.
I will pm further information.
Cheers
Cando
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Thank you so much especially to sparrett and cando.
You info has helped me along a great deal. It now seems that brother Frank and his wife Evelyne, may not have remained in the Ballarat area, so following them will be another task.
Any ideas? Thanks again. ama
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I couldn't find an Evelyne Mitchell on the electoral rolls. Some entries for Eveline or Evelyn Mitchell but none with a Frank or even Francis at the same address - none that I could see anyway! It certainly looks as though Frank used his brother's address. Are there any clues on his War Service as to his occupation?
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=54
There is a will of a Frank M Mitchell, baker, address Dingee, Victoria, died 1925, but unfortuantely it isn't digitised. Quite a long shot though! You can find Dingee by Googlemap.
Cheers, Judith
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Unfortunately not the right Frank. :(
MITCHELL Frank Mellmeth
Father Mitchell Joseph Mother Sarah HODGINS
At Sunbury 46 years 1925 Reg#3434
I have searched in South Australian for Frank and Evelyne, as the South Australian Electoral records are not online. Alas nothing.
Cando
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I live in Ballarat, and noticed the refernce to Ascot street. Have you checked the Electoral Rolls? I could do it for you if you are unable.
Roger
Hello,
I hope it's okay to hijack this thread. I am also interested in the Mitchell name and Ballarat. I don't think there is any connection with the opening poster - just one of those strange coincidences.
I am interested in the following record from Ballarat Cemetery
MITCHELL EDWARD 67 20/03/1872
I have a copy of the death record - he died the 18/3/1872 at Borough Ballarat East Crossly Grant??? and was a Oculist. Death Cert says he was 58 years old though?
A very kind person did a look up for me of the cemetery information and found the following about the grave:
Headstone inscription
DUNN our parents John 1.1.1903 68 yrs
Agnes 16.11.1905 78 yrs
children Agnes, William, Chellew, Agnes d in infancy
DUNN AGNES 7 13/07/1863
residence Mount Pleasant, Ballarat
DUNN AGNES 9MTHS 8/01/1869
CHILD residence Ballarat
DUNN AGNES 79 17/11/1906
WIFE residence Mount Pleasant
DUNN JOHN 68 3/01/1893
MINER residence Mount Pleasant, Ballarat
DUNN WILLIAM CHILLEN 5 6/07/1863
residence Mount Pleasant, Ballarat
MITCHELL EDWARD 67 20/03/1872
OCULIST
residencce Peel St, Ballarat
They felt that Edward would nearly have to be related to the Dunn family to be buried with them (Agnes' brother perhaps?) but I couldn't find a connection.
I just wondered where I would start researching him in Ballarat. Are there trade directories that may mention him? Any census or electoral rolls for that time that might show him in Peel Street?
Would be grateful for any hints.
Kind Regards
lana
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Hi lana,
An interesting piece on him here http://www.rootschat.com/links/0czf/
Does his death cert name any family members?
Debra :)
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Adding as a bit of a help here, that the parents of this man are listed as....
ROBERT and ELIZABETH
Reg 175
Born Birmingham
Age 58
Sue
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Aagnes , as you say, was not a sister to EDWARD.
Death
DUNN Agnes
Father Chellew Arth
Mother Agnes CARDEW
Age 78
Place: Ballt E
Year 1906
Reg. 11744
This couple buried 2 children within days of each other in 1863, then athird a few years later.
EDWARD was placed with the children and before the parents this certainly, I would say implies a close relationship.
Sue
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Hi lana,
An interesting piece on him here http://www.rootschat.com/links/0czf/
Does his death cert name any family members?
Debra :)
Many thanks, Debra
There are a lot of references to him in newspaper articles in connection with Matthew Burnett. They appear to have been written sometime after his death and whilst some facts mentioned appear true there are some that do not ring true and I wonder how much poetic licence Mr Burnett might have used? I haven't got the death certificate in front of me at the moment but I remember that the death was registered by a friend. His wife is mentioned along with two children one of which is recorded as dead. His wife and children as far as I know returned to England, possibly before he died. The friend has given the parents details accurately. I was hoping this death certificate would have lead me to his mother's maiden name but that is a whole other brick wall.
I am sure I read somewhere that the towns people were so impressed with how he gave up the drink that when he died they arranged for the funeral so could this explain the reason for being buried in what on the surface appears to be an unconnected family grave?
What I would like to do is find sources other than Mr Burnett's which place him in Ballarat and confirm his occupation as an oculist.
Very grateful for the time you took to search and reply. Thank you :)
Best wishes
lana
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Adding as a bit of a help here, that the parents of this man are listed as....
ROBERT and ELIZABETH
Reg 175
Born Birmingham
Age 58
Sue
Many thanks, Sue
The information was apparently given by a friend who registered the death so it was good to see parents names that matched what I was expecting. Would have been over the moon if only the mother's maiden name had been mentioned. It would have ended a 25year search!!
Really appreciate the time you took to search and reply. Many thanks :)
Best wishes
lana
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Aagnes , as you say, was not a sister to EDWARD.
Death
DUNN Agnes
Father Chellew Arth
Mother Agnes CARDEW
Age 78
Place: Ballt E
Year 1906
Reg. 11744
This couple buried 2 children within days of each other in 1863, then athird a few years later.
EDWARD was placed with the children and before the parents this certainly, I would say implies a close relationship.
Sue
Hello again Sue
Sorry not sure how to do a double quote.
I wonder if I need to try and find someone researching this family in case they can shed any light on the reason for Robert being in the grave with the children?
Again many thanks for taking the time to reply.
Best wishes
lana
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IGI has this baptism which is an extracted entry so is reliable. it looks a possible ....................
EDWARD MITCHELL
Born: 18 JAN 1814
Baptism :21 NOV 1817 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Parents: Robert MITCHELL, Elizabeth
This couple had 2other children baptised on the same date:
Emma MITCHELL, born 24 OCT 1817
Henry MITCHELL, born 26 OCT 1815
Other children also which have same parents listed, and at same church:
Elizabeth - born 05 JUL 1810, baptised 15 OCT 1812
Thomas - born 25 APR 1812, baptised 15 OCT 1812 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Charles, baptised: 21 JUN 1809
What other information is on the death cert - children and wife's names? Does it say how long he was in Victoria?
Judith
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IGI has this baptism which is an extracted entry so is reliable. it looks a possible ....................
EDWARD MITCHELL
Born: 18 JAN 1814
Baptism :21 NOV 1817 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Parents: Robert MITCHELL, Elizabeth
This couple had 2other children baptised on the same date:
Emma MITCHELL, born 24 OCT 1817
Henry MITCHELL, born 26 OCT 1815
Other children also which have same parents listed, and at same church:
Elizabeth - born 05 JUL 1810, baptised 15 OCT 1812
Thomas - born 25 APR 1812, baptised 15 OCT 1812 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Charles, baptised: 21 JUN 1809
What other information is on the death cert - children and wife's names? Does it say how long he was in Victoria?
Judith
Many thanks, Judith for taking the time and trouble to look. They are all the right entries for this family from what I remember. I haven't got my tree in front of me so might be missing a name or two. We have done well with the branches down from Robert and Elizabeth. We don't know where Robert came from and we don't know Elizabeth's maiden name. I had hoped that having one of the their children died in Australia may have given us the maiden name but I think Edward's wife may already have returned to England with her children and his death was recorded by a friend - John Little, a friend, Storekeeper, Borough (?), Ballarat East.
Wife was Hannah Beckett and we have her death back in England. It states two children Sarah (dead) and Louisa (23 years). It also states 20 years in Victoria.
There was a descendant of the family doing research but I have not been able to get a response from him for many years and I wonder if he might have passed on? I've just had a quick look at hints on my ancestry tree and it came up with the descendant but he hasn't logged in for six months. Going to try sending another message just in case I can manage to get him. Interestingly he only has Thomas on his tree.
I have a note on my tree that Louisa might have married a George Brownley and died in Ballarat in 1867 so whilst the friend got Edward's parents right there seems to have been some mix up with the children assuming my information is correct. I do not have a Sarah on the tree. There was also a Thomas. Both Louisa and Thomas were born in England (1844 and 1846) and Thomas I understand returned back to England with his mother.
I have a couple of Brownley children on the tree - Hannah (1863) and Mary (1866) both Ballarat.
What I would like to do is find some references to Edward in Ballarat. Perhaps trade directory showing his occupation as oculist or electoral rolls for Peel Street which is apparently where he was according to the burial record.
Best wishes and many thanks again for taking the time to respond and look.
lana