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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: sangal on Tuesday 27 October 09 10:35 GMT (UK)
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Hi I just found a head stone for my grandfathers cousin.
John Monks soldier f company 4th batt IRA. Killed in action 28 th June 1922.Would this have been in the news papers.
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28 June 1922 was the first day of the Civil War. The Four Courts in Dublin, which were held by the IRA, were bombed by Free State troops. It is
likely possible that John Monks died in this engagement.
Interesting background here but no casualty list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dublin
Dara.
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Thank you Dara
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There doesn't seem to be any account of this apart from the information below. In my experience they didn't always register the deaths of military casualties in the civil registration system either. However, there is one reference to him in the Irish Independent of July 13th, 1922.
"The Management Committee of the Irish General Railway and Engineering Union, at their last meeting, expressed sympathy with Brother Thomas Monks on the death of his son, Brother John Monks."
That's all there is, I'm afraid. :(
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Thank you so much for that information.
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If he was a Railway worker you might find something in the Railway Archives:
http://www.irrs.ie/Common%20Files/archive.htm
Dara.
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Hi, I was in the library there on other business and took a look at the Irish history material. Nothing in O'Farrell's Who's Who of the Irish War of Independence and Civil War, which can be a bit hit-and-miss anyway. Then I looked at the Last Post, which is a list of Republican Dead published by the National Graves Association (Second Ed. 1976). On p. 94, it says:
Monks, John. 21, Nash St., Inchicore, Dublin. Killed at Rudlow, Clondalkin, Co. Dublin. 29/6/'22. Buried Bluebell Cemetery, Dublin.
So, armed with that information I tried searching for a few things in the Irish Newspaper Archives and came up with this, in an article called ITEMS OF THE SIEGE, in the Irish Independent of Friday, June 30, 1922, page 3. Most of this is concerned with the siege of the Four Courts but there is a subheading called Incidents in the Suburbs:
Incidents in the Suburbs
After the attack at Clondalkin on Wednesday night on National troops, the latter found the dead body of one of the attackers, stated to be a man named Monks, of Inchicore. Later a woman drove up in a horse and car, and claimed the remains, which were handed over to her.
Hope this helps. :)
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oh my God.
That is so interesting. Is it possible to get a copy of that Paper .If yes how would I go about it.
thank you very much.
Sandra
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Just a correction. I was looking at the book Who's Who of the Irish War of Independence and I said that John Monks death was not recorded in it. In fact it is there in the section about the Anti-Treaty dead in the Civil War. I just missed it. I note also that an R. Monks was killed in August of that year. Was he also a relative?
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There was a Richard Monks listed as a witness at his fathers marriage .So it could be an uncle.That family were living around Fox and Geese in Clondalkin co. Dublin at the time .Do the records mention an address ?
Thank you once again.
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Hi Sangal, Unfortunately I don't have the book to hand but I'll look into it and get back to you before Friday. :)
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thanks a million.
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According to the Last Post, he was R Monks from Kildare and he died on the 30th of August 1922 in the Curragh Internment Camp. So unless you have family links with Kildare, he probably wasn't related. If I dig up anything else I'll post it here, anyway. :)
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thanks a million
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there use to be a marker headstone outside the bluebell club naas road red cow with the name monks ( IRA ) on it i remember it myself, it was broke in half in the 70s but always had flowers on it every easter i think it went when the road was redone for the luas rail system..there was a secound marker stone about 100 yards futher up the naas road with i think another 3 IRA names on it, this one was replaced and is now on the monastery road clondalkin recessed into the wall about 20 yards from the new roundabout at the ibis hotel i never looked at the names so i don't know whats on it,,,,,,,,, my late grandfather was from the area and his story of what he called the battle of clondalkin was that the IRA were themself ambushed as the were about to attack an RIC station that use to be on the monastery road but thats only his story i think by the dates and the archive info it was the national army and not RIC,,i think with irish men laying dead the story is easier to swallow if its british guns that killed them...... you could check with the """kinsella family""" who own the scrap yard at the bluebell club they also use to own the land that the red cow hotel is built on, also the ""griffin family"" who would have lived in the area at that time and were also a big inchicore works railway working family original from south terrace new killmainham (now known as inchicore) there house is gone but they were in the motor trade so kinsella mite know were they are now....;;hope i could help;;
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Thank you for taking the troble to reply.I will contact those people to see what they remember ,thanks again.
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i got a friend of a friend to have a look at that marker stone,, he said its in irish and very hard to make out but he took some photos with his phone..
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more
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Thanks again.I live in Clondalkin and I have never seen this before.