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Title: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: britboy1966 on Tuesday 27 October 09 02:50 GMT (UK)
Hi

I have a George Croucher born in Cuckfield in 1819.  I am trying to confirm the parents names as I cant seem to find him with his family in the 1841 census.

If anyone has any Baptism information that would be great.   I think his mother maybe called Phebe Colman

Thanks
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: swebby on Tuesday 27 October 09 07:22 GMT (UK)
Here you go

George Croucher bap 8 Feb 1818 Holy Trinity Cuckfield
Mother: Phoebe Croucher
Notes: Illegitimate


Sean
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: sillgen on Tuesday 27 October 09 09:23 GMT (UK)
I have checked the original baptism entry in the register and it does not give any further details unfortunately.  There is a marriage for Phoebe Croucher to George Gumbrel 11 June 1820 botp.
Andrea
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 27 October 09 09:25 GMT (UK)
therefore he may be listed under Gumbrel in 1841
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: Eyesee on Tuesday 27 October 09 10:15 GMT (UK)
From the Sussex Marriage Index
Cuckfield, West Sussex, 11 Jun 1820
George GUMBREL, bach botp
Phoebe CROUCHER, sp (B)
Wits John HILL Harriet CROUCHER

In 1841 Phebe GUMBRELL is a 35 year old nurse at Sussex County Hospital in Brighton.

Death of George GUMBRELL  Jun qtr 1840 or Dec qtr 1841.

Then in Jun qtr 1844 there is a marriage for a Phebe GUMBRELL, Brighton, 7 392. One of the grooms is a John COLMAN.

1851
Hove Lodge, 8 Hove St, Hove
John COLEMAN, head mar 33, Tailor, born Somerset, Castle Cary
Phebae COLEMAN, wife mar 50, in charge of house, born Sussex, Cuckfield
HO107/1647/116/30

1861
Church Yard, Cuckfield
James HORNE, head wid 35, Shoemaker journeyman, born Sussex, Arundell
Eliza HORNE, dau 9, Scholar, born Sussex, Brighton
Clara HORNE, dau 6, Scholar, born ditto
Phoebe COLMAN, mother-in-law wid 63, Housekeeper, born Sussex, Cuckfield
RG9/582/89/25

James Alfred HORNE married Mary GUMBRELL, Mar qtr 1850, Brighton, 7 388

George & Phoebe GUMBRELL had three daughters according to IGI
Eliza bapt 5 May 1822 Cuckfield
Mary 8 May 1831 Cuckfield
Helena 22 Dec 1833 Cuckfield

William GUMBRELL 14, Mary GUMBRELL 11, and Ellen GUMBRELL 9 are in the Arundel Workhouse in 1841, so George's death is likely to be the Jun 1840 one.

No sign of George CROUCHER though.

1871 Phoebe is with George as you have.

Ian C
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: Eyesee on Tuesday 27 October 09 10:24 GMT (UK)
Phebe CROUCHER baptised 10 Nov 1799, Cuckfield, parents James and Mary. Another daughter Harriet bapt 14 Oct 1804 at Cuckfield, Likely witness at marriage to George GUMBRELL.

James CROUCHER married Mary HUGGETT at Cuckfield 1 Apr 1799, botp from SMI.

Ian C
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: Eyesee on Tuesday 27 October 09 10:49 GMT (UK)
Possibly him with his grandparents

1841
Upper Pilsty, Cuckfield
James CROUCHER, 62, Labourer
Mary CROUCHER, 60
Sophia CROUCHER, 23
Peter CROUCHER, 16
Edwd CROUCHER, 9
George GUMBRELL, 22, Labourer
All born in county
HO107/1111/B 6/Cuckfield/ED2/31/18

Ian C
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: britboy1966 on Wednesday 28 October 09 01:06 GMT (UK)
I have to say i am somewhat overwhelmed with all the information. 

Thanks for all your help.  I'll try and digest it with a cuppa...

Cheers

matt
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: britboy1966 on Wednesday 28 October 09 01:55 GMT (UK)
I started getting into this and it all ties together nicely.  The 1841 census does have him living with his Grandparents and funnily enough has him living next door to his future wife.  I already had George Croucher marrying Harriett Upton in 1843!

I can only imagine he changed his name back after George Gumbrell (essentially the man that is likely to have raised him) died

Exciting Stuff - Thanks again!
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: sillgen on Wednesday 28 October 09 08:09 GMT (UK)
I asume you have the 1843 marriage details but if not I can give them to you.  It says his father is George Croucher a tanner which is interesting.  I see they lived at Pilstie in 1851.  That farmhouse is still there.
Andrea
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: britboy1966 on Wednesday 28 October 09 15:50 GMT (UK)
Actually I only have the date and location.  If you have witnesses and church name that would be great to have

thanks Andrea
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: sillgen on Wednesday 28 October 09 16:48 GMT (UK)
Holy Trinity Church, Cuckfield Sep 10th 1843
George Croucher age 25 Bachelor Labourer  Father George Croucher, Tanner
to Hannah Upton age 19 Spinster Father Antony Upton, labourer
Both signed the register
Witnesses Thomas Vaughan (signed) Sarah Simmons (her mark)

Andrea
Title: Re: George Croucher - Cuckfield - Baptism lookup
Post by: britboy1966 on Wednesday 28 October 09 20:54 GMT (UK)
Thankyou very much

Matt