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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: RonPrice on Monday 26 October 09 11:50 GMT (UK)
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My father Frederick James Price who was born in Merthyr Tydvil in 1895 and died in Dundas Ontario in May 1965 came out to the USA or Canada sometime between 1910(age 15) and 1920(age 25). Where do I go to find where he came to. By 1943 he had married a second time and was living in Hamilton Ontario. His first marriage resulted in three children bornin the 1920s. Two were boys killed in WW2.
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So not to duplicate information, here is another post on Frederick Jame Price
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,400089.30.html
Karen
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thanks Karen....getting warm....but not hot....at least not yet....your response has been appreciated down here Downunder.-Ron Price in Tasmania
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Hi Ron
Having read the other post linked in by Karen.....
Everything - right down to his occupation in 1910 US Census, to the fact he lived in a family owned pub in Merthyr, had at least 1 son died age 19 in WW2 - points to your Frederick James PRICE being the same man who stated on his US WW1 enlistment as having been born in June 1890 (5 years older than you believe he should be) and to his being the one who appears in the UK Census 1891 and 1901, and who immigrated via New York to Des Moines, US in 1908.
While it's true there are many people out there with startilingly similar names and details - I don't think you could get any hotter match than what has been found!
Seems to me, it's the age (b 1890 as opposed to 1895) which is the sticking point ?
Cheers
AMBLY
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On FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
if you search for a birth of Frederick James Price between 1890 and 1895 there is only one that is born in Merthyr and that is the following
Birth Sept 1890
Frederick James Price
Merthyr T 11a 598
I think, after reading the research previously done, that they have "found" your father. The names, places and dates track except for his birth year. Why are you so sure he was born in 1895?
Debbie
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Sounds very good, AMBLY and Debbie, very good indeed. As you say, AMBLY: "Everything - right down to his occupation in 1910 US Census, to the fact he lived in a family owned pub in Merthyr, had at least 1 son died age 19 in WW2 - points to your Frederick James PRICE being the same man who stated on his US WW1 enlistment as having been born in June 1890 (5 years older than you believe he should be) and to his being the one who appears in the UK Census 1891 and 1901, and who immigrated via New York to Des Moines, US in 1908."
My dad used to talk about Des Moines Iowa when I was growing up. And so I think, as you say, "I don't think you could get any hotter match than what has been found!
The age (b 1890 as opposed to 1895) is the sticking point, but I'm going to give that one a miss for now. I'm going to run with this information for now and say "congratulations" to both of you--and with a great deal of appreciation. I will now take it from here after I get a good sleep.-Ron in Tasmania
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Just a final note before I hit the sack. How do I figure out: (a) how long he stayed in Des Moines, (b) when and where he got married the first time and (c) where he lived before he married my mother in 1943? 1908 to 1943 is a big gap with no information in my data bank. Over and out for now.-Ron in Australia
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If you go back and reread the previous thread you will see that Karen found a marriage for Frederick in 1918 in Hamilton, Ontario. He married Emma Firth Spiers and gave his parents as Frederick F. Price and Annie Walters. If you sent away for the 1890 birth certificate you could confirm parentage.
Living in Des Moines in 1910 and there was also a border crossing in 1913 where he returned to the same area. Marriage in 1918. I don't think you could narrow it down any closer in these type of records.
Contact the Hamilton Public Library and ask them to search their directories and track him that way. These give address and occupation.
Are you interested in the background of your mother?
Debbie
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Ron, et al.
I have followed these 2 threads with increasing frustration. Several people have proved - beyond any reasonable doubt - that FJ Price was born in 1890 rather than 1895. They have also given substantial information as to who Fred's mother, father, sister, uncle, and grandparents were.
Consider this: When Fred married for the second time in 1943 he presumably stated he was about 10 years older than his spouse. Perhaps if he stated his true age she would have been less likely to agree to marriage.
I only wish I had such proof-positive for many of my ancestors.
Nick
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You folks outstrip by far the efficiency of the dozen other geneology sites I've been browsing around for the last few years. I shall sing your praises in the circles of my my life I mix in and with....
Yes, as you say, "a marriage for Frederick in 1918 in Hamilton, Ontario. He married Emma Firth Spiers and gave his parents as Frederick F. Price and Annie Walters." I do not need to "send away for the 1890 birth certificate to confirm parentage." I am not a son from that marriage.
Then you go on to say that my father was "living in Des Moines in 1910 and there was also a border crossing in 1913 where he returned to the same area. Marriage in 1918. I don't think you could narrow it down any closer in these type of records." I'm very happy with that little orsel of information.
I will contact the Hamilton Public Library, all being well, and ask them to search their directories and track him that way.
I am not interested in the background of my mother, Lillian Cornfield. I've got lots of stuff on her and, at this stage, I'm happy not to investigate my father's first wife.
And Nick, I was thinking the same thing as I was putting out the garbage last night. Spot on, Nick. My dad was an older man and, yes, as you say, "would my mother have married a 55 year old when she was only 40?" Goodonyer, Nick, as they say in Australia.
And so, Debbie and Nick, it is with warm appreciation to you both that I write these words.-Ron in Tasmania
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When I suggested you get the 1890 birth registration to confirm parentage I meant that you could then see if the names of the parents on the English birth registration matched the names given on the 1918 marriage registration for Frederick - you might not be a product of the 1918 marriage but you are looking for proof of your father's past!
Debbie
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Your suggestion, Debbie, that I get the 1890 birth registration to confirm parentage so that I could then see if the names of the parents on the English birth registration matched the names given on the 1918 marriage registration for Frederick----sounds like an excellent idea. As you say, although I might not be a product of my father's 1918 marriage, I am still looking for proof of my father's past. To whom do I write to get that English birth registration?-Ron Price with continued thanks for your help.
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you can order online from this site
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Debbie
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Thanks Debbie; I'll get right onto it.-Ron Price, son of Frederick James Price of Wales who, it seems, was born in 1890 and not 1895 as I have thought all my life.
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When I tried to register at the site you suggested, Debbie, namely: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ I followed the registration instructions as indicated. I selected the certificate type and provided the additional information requested in the series of little boxes. But I was then informed that, before the registration office could choose the appropriate application form for me to fill in, I had to correct an error in my application. The error was stated as follows:
"GRO index has to be given for pre-1900 E&W birth, marriage, and death applications." Not having any idea what this meant, I return to base here at RootsChat.Com for further advise.-Ron
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You have to supply the information that can be found from the FreeBMD site.
You need the full name - Frederick James Price
Year and Quarter - Sep 1890
District - Merthyr T
Vol - 11a
Pg - 598
Debbie
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There was no little box in which to insert such information and so I did not know (a) what action to take and/or (b) what little box to go to to take my next move.-Ron