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Title: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Saturday 24 October 09 15:08 BST (UK)
I am developing a database of Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddlers and Harness makers

Please do send me details of any ancestors from 19th century who had any of these occupations

Simon
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: cati on Saturday 24 October 09 15:14 BST (UK)
From a Parish Register transcript:

Dec 1815
Elizabeth Gill
born Dartford Kent
F Richard, Mother Sarah
F occupation shoemaker
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: cati on Saturday 24 October 09 15:20 BST (UK)
George Cox, b Stafford 1853:
1881 census(Stafford) bootfinisher
1891 census (Stafford) shoemaker
1901 census (Stafford) shoe finisher

Later in life George worked for H J Dain (part of the Ks Shoes group) in Wolverhampton making ladies' shoes
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 24 October 09 15:21 BST (UK)
I've got a saddler/harness maker - I will look for his details tomorrow and post for you.  ;)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Saturday 24 October 09 15:22 BST (UK)
Hello thanks so much for this information

Can I have your permission to use the information on a new website?

Simon
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Saturday 24 October 09 15:23 BST (UK)
Thanks Ruskie

Can I have your permission to put your information on a new website devoted to shoemakers
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: cati on Saturday 24 October 09 15:30 BST (UK)
you have my full permission, dismo - I'll let you know if I find any more
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: stanmapstone on Saturday 24 October 09 16:05 BST (UK)
In the 1881 Census there are;
49,565 Shoemakers
16,730 Bootmakers
10,053 Saddlers
6,532 Harness Makers.

Stan
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Saturday 24 October 09 16:08 BST (UK)
where did these figures come from
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: stanmapstone on Saturday 24 October 09 16:24 BST (UK)
From the occupations in the 1881 Census on Ancestry. You can also get the figures for every census in the Census occupation reports on http://www.histpop.org

In the 1841 Census there were, in England, 214,780 Boot & Shoe Makers, and 15,723 Saddler & Harness Makers.
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/07ch/   


Stan
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: stanmapstone on Saturday 24 October 09 18:49 BST (UK)
The Official Report for the 1891 Census quotes, for Shoe, Boot etc., Makers, 224,059 for the 1881 census and 248,789 for the 1891 census.
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/07cj/   so the task of attempting to make a database for the 19th century is daunting.

Stan 
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Saturday 24 October 09 22:05 BST (UK)
not impossible though over time
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Skoosh on Saturday 24 October 09 23:23 BST (UK)
Simon,  Meek family, bootmakers, Linlithgow, West Lothian, second half of 19th cent'.......Skoosh.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: c-side on Saturday 24 October 09 23:41 BST (UK)
James Black b 1815 d 1896 both Northumberland.  Shoemaker/cordwainer depending on census/parish records.

I have all census returns bar 1891 (where he is invisible) if you need corroboration.

Christine
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: wendy47 on Sunday 25 October 09 08:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Simon

Samuel Sturge 1810-1888 Master Shoemaker b Frampton Cotterell Glos living in Ledbury In 1841-1881 Censuses.

Reynolds, John Boot & Shoe Maker Mendlesham from Pigots DIRECTORY OF SUFFOLK, ENGLAND 1823 - 1824

His son
1851 Census HO107 Piece 1550 Folio 306 Page 22
George Edwin Reynolds b Mendlesham Suffolk Bootmaker 1816-1873 moved to London by 1851 Census

He has working in his shop

Samuel  Rusford [Rutford?] aged 19 b Wickham Suffolk Boot Maker
William Gibbs aged 21 b Colchester, Essex Boot Maker

Wendy :)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 25 October 09 13:14 GMT (UK)
Dismo,

Exactly what information do you want about people with these occupations? (so everyone can give you the same details).

I have:
1851 census living Colsterworth Lincs
William Robinson age 41 saddler employing 1 man b Helpringham Lincs

1841 William is a harness maker living Colsterworth


You have set yourself a mammoth task.  :) Good luck.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Sunday 25 October 09 13:16 GMT (UK)
yes
i want to list all leather workers
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 25 October 09 13:24 GMT (UK)
What I mean dismo is:
Do you want full census details with reference numbers, dob, place of birth, do you want them on all censuses or just one etc etc?

or

do you just want their names and job title?
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Sunday 25 October 09 13:26 GMT (UK)
just one census would be ok
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: behindthefrogs on Sunday 25 October 09 14:17 GMT (UK)
The museum in Guildhall Road Northampton has a large database of boot and shoe makers which it has gathered over many years.  This is  a national rather than a local collection.  You might consider co-ordinating with them rather than duplicating what they already have.

David
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Sunday 25 October 09 14:19 GMT (UK)
thank you David
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: sarahjayne on Tuesday 03 November 09 23:05 GMT (UK)
Hi

All my family date back to 1766 as Shoe Makers, Cordwainers, and all trades related to shoemaking.

I have traced my family and lots of branches and  most were still Shoemakers in 1901.  If you would like details please pm me

Sarah
 :)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: behindthefrogs on Tuesday 03 November 09 23:44 GMT (UK)
Richard Wells Saunders who was baptised in Tetsworth Oxfordshire in 1789 was a saddler and harness maker in Thame.  Two of his sons followed his trade.

Francis Woolhouse Saunders born 1817 Thame
Robert Saunders born 1821 Thame who eventually became a saddler in Windsor.

Francis had a son of the same name in 1846 who eventually became a saddler and harness maker in Sandy Bedfordshire.  He made over 500 saddles for the French Army during the Franco Prussian War and saddles for a number of famous people including the Duke of Saxe Weiniar when he was Colonel of the Life Guards.

David
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Wednesday 04 November 09 12:39 GMT (UK)
Hello there David

Thanks so much for the information. I will add it to my directory. I am interested to know more about Francis junior. He is a sort of contemprary of my ancestor Louis Jeffery, born in 1856, who was a prominent Saddle and Harness maker in Paris from the late 1870's onwards.

Best regards

Simon
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: MaryA on Wednesday 04 November 09 13:03 GMT (UK)
1861 Census living Deys Lane, West Derby Lancashire
Thomas Lunt 53 years old Cordwainer born Lancashire West Derby

You may use this information on your website but I would appreciate a note of the url.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: marmalade45 on Thursday 05 November 09 21:37 GMT (UK)
Hello, my gt gt gt grandfather John Gaze stated (on his daughters wedding certificate Oct 21 1844) that his occupation was a harness maker. The wedding took place in the parish of St Augustine county of norwich.  His daughter was Elizabeth Gaze, she married Benjamin Briten

marmalade45
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: sarahjayne on Sunday 08 November 09 12:48 GMT (UK)
Hi

Just wondering if you got my email?  Sent you a few details

Sarah  :)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: treehunter on Saturday 21 November 09 21:13 GMT (UK)
Hi

My ex husband has Jeffery in Somerset who are saddler and hardness makers, I will try and get info and ask him if you can use it.

I have leather tanners in my family are you intrested in them as well?

Hazel

Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Roobarb on Saturday 21 November 09 23:54 GMT (UK)
My 3 x gt grandfather ROGER PRICE was a shoemaker. I first found this out from his son's marriage cert (1862). I have found a possible entry in the 1881 census - boarder age 76, shoemaker, born Llangefni. there is an equivalent entry in 1871 -  listed as Robert Price, shoemaker, Llangefni, Lodger, age 67 born LLanddyfnan. I haven't had any success prior to 1871. This will prompt me to look again!
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Doddie on Tuesday 24 November 09 18:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Simon, my g. g. g. grandfather was Richard Dickinson (sometimes 'Dickenson') born Churchtown, Lancashire c.1811. Throughout his life he was variously described as a shoemaker, bootmaker or cordwainer (as according to his occupation listed in the parish records for his marriage in Liverpool in 1833 to Ann(e) Gerrard. The last trace I have of him, so far,  is in 1866 when he his mentioned in his capacity as father - and Shoemaker - of Mary Dickinson on her marriage certificate in 1866.

Doddie
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: cerrig on Sunday 29 November 09 20:54 GMT (UK)
My 3 x gt grandfather ROGER PRICE was a shoemaker. I first found this out from his son's marriage cert (1862). I have found a possible entry in the 1881 census - boarder age 76, shoemaker, born Llangefni. there is an equivalent entry in 1871 -  listed as Robert Price, shoemaker, Llangefni, Lodger, age 67 born LLanddyfnan. I haven't had any success prior to 1871. This will prompt me to look again!

Hello, I also have a roger Price from Llanddyfnan in my family tree
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: alyson123 on Sunday 29 November 09 23:08 GMT (UK)
I have a couple for you :)
James Richardson b.1829 Hanbury Staffs
Cordwainer 1851 Uttoxeter
Bootmaker  1861 St Pancras Middx Regents Park area
Cordwainer 1871 West Bromwich
1881-ditto
1891-ditto .....then hung up his boots!
Also
Frederick Richardson b.1853 Hanbury
Cordwainer 1871 West Bromwich Sams Lane
1881 chang of career to coalminer :-\
Regards
Alyson
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: grah72a on Tuesday 01 December 09 19:52 GMT (UK)
On my mothers birth certificate in 1911 at Cartrefte-Denbigh her father David Raymond Jones was recorded as a Journeyman Shoemaker of Denbigh.U.D.

On my wifes fathers marriage certificate  in 1934, his father Walter George Reed was recorded as a Saddler (Oakham,Leics and later of Coventry) On his death certificate  in 1965 was noted Retired Saddle and Harness maker of 40 Cash,s Lane , Coventry.

                                                    Graham.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Roobarb on Tuesday 01 December 09 20:58 GMT (UK)
My 3 x gt grandfather ROGER PRICE was a shoemaker. I first found this out from his son's marriage cert (1862). I have found a possible entry in the 1881 census - boarder age 76, shoemaker, born Llangefni. there is an equivalent entry in 1871 -  listed as Robert Price, shoemaker, Llangefni, Lodger, age 67 born LLanddyfnan. I haven't had any success prior to 1871. This will prompt me to look again!

Hello, I also have a roger Price from Llanddyfnan in my family tree

Have sent you a personal message cerrig  :)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: stevejb on Wednesday 02 December 09 18:06 GMT (UK)
Hugh Baldwin, Cordwainer, Lidget Green, Bradford, Yorks
Listed on son's birth certificate July 1841. Last entry 1861 Census, occupation cordwainer, living Lidget Green.
Died 1863 aged 47.

Steve
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: cerrig on Wednesday 02 December 09 19:08 GMT (UK)
My 3 x gt grandfather ROGER PRICE was a shoemaker. I first found this out from his son's marriage cert (1862). I have found a possible entry in the 1881 census - boarder age 76, shoemaker, born Llangefni. there is an equivalent entry in 1871 -  listed as Robert Price, shoemaker, Llangefni, Lodger, age 67 born LLanddyfnan. I haven't had any success prior to 1871. This will prompt me to look again!

Roobarb - unfortunately not allowed to reply to message

Hello, I also have a roger Price from Llanddyfnan in my family tree

Have sent you a personal message cerrig  :)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Roobarb on Saturday 05 December 09 18:11 GMT (UK)
Hi cerrig, don't know if your blank post was because you're having difficulty in replying to my p.m. You have to post three times before you can send a p.m., perhaps you could post again, then we can communicate.  :)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: cerrig on Saturday 05 December 09 19:34 GMT (UK)
will do,
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: astwood on Saturday 05 December 09 19:47 GMT (UK)
1841-51 census of mollington oxford  thomas beasley shoemaker
1881 census of oxford st birmingham  william beasley harness maker
1891 census of bowling green terrace birmingham william beasley harness maker
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: mariotcameron on Sunday 06 December 09 21:30 GMT (UK)
Dear Dismo,

What was the socio-economic status of a shoemaker in the Britain, especially Scotland, in the second half of the 19th century?

Could you explain why a shoemaker change his "profession" to farmer (only 7 acres)?

Thank you for your comments!

MTC
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: bullet on Thursday 10 December 09 05:22 GMT (UK)
Why are you doing this?  However, in saying that, it might just help me.  I'm trying to trace the births of some or my ancestors.  Here they are -

 William McGlennan - occupation boot-maker - born about 1849 possibly in Ireland. - living at the time of his marriage to Maria Ohara -age 18, at Plane Street, Leeds, - 1881.

 His father - Charles McGlennan - deceased at the time of William's marriage - occupation shoemaker - possibly born in Ireland'

  Witnesses at the marriage -
 1. - Catherine Latchford born 1862 - occupation boot machinist - living at Plane Street Leeds
                         
 2. - Henry Wright born 1863- occupation apprentice bootmaker, - living at Woodhouse Lane Leeds.

I'm trying to find anything about William and Charles McGlennan and Maria O'Hara, my g.g.g.grandparents.  Maria's (or possible Mary-Ellen or similar names) father was called Michael O'Hara - occupation  labourer.  Is there any way of finding out where they all worked in Leeds, i.e factories or shops in Leeds.  It would be a start.

Cheers - Bullet
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: martis on Sunday 24 January 10 15:03 GMT (UK)
Hi I have four generations of shoemakers/bootmakers in my husband's grandmother's family
William Jackson b 1809 Stowmarket died between 1851 and 1861 Clerkenwell
William Jackson b 1836 Clerkenwell died 1889 Forest Gate, West Ham
Robert George jackson b 1864 Clerkenwell died 1921 Horsham. His older brother David also a bootmaker
Robert Jackson b 1887 Forest Gate and Ted Jackson b 1889 his sons.
They were bootmakers for Christ Hospital school in London and then Sussex for many years.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 24 January 10 16:26 GMT (UK)
Mariot, surely as a country shoemaker (also cordiner,soutar,snab)he'd have managed both professions at the same time!.......Skoosh.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: behindthefrogs on Sunday 24 January 10 22:38 GMT (UK)
I agree that he probably bought or rented a couple of acres to help support his family.  As a farmer was of higher status than a shoemaker he then adopted that title.

David
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: MaryA on Monday 25 January 10 10:32 GMT (UK)
You may use this information on your website but I would appreciate a note of the url.

I wonder if this post has been forgotten about, I would appreciate seeing the website being compiled.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Monday 25 January 10 10:40 GMT (UK)
not forgotten just still collecting information and deciding on the best format
please bear with me
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 25 January 10 11:17 GMT (UK)
Are you familiar with the Historical Directories website?. These are Trade Directories issued throughout the 18th, 19th and early 20th Century. Lot of stuff there.

regards
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dismo on Monday 25 January 10 11:21 GMT (UK)
yes thanks for that
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 25 January 10 11:56 GMT (UK)
1841 Census - Thomas Thomas, b 1811, Shoe Maker, Llanstephan, Carmarthen
1851 Census - David Harries, b 1828, Shoemaker, Llangunnock, Carmarthenshire
1861 Census - David Lewis, b 1837, Boot and Shoe maker, Llanstephan, Carmarthen
1881 Census - William Lewis, b 1821, Cordwainer, Tythegston, Glamorgan
1891 Census - William Jones, b 1837, Shoemaker, Pencoed, Glamorgan
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Demeter on Sunday 31 January 10 10:40 GMT (UK)
Hi,

A few of my ancestors:

Robert Gibson b c1816 Darlington, listed on census returns as shoemaker
Elias Robson b c1791 Newcastle upon Tyne - Cordwainer
and his son, Alexander Robson 1758-1842 Newcastle upon Tyne - Cordwainer.

Dem
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: charz on Tuesday 02 February 10 15:35 GMT (UK)


    1841 census  - William Foster Nicholson b 1816  Framwellgate Durham
                             Shoe maker
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Tierneylass on Saturday 13 February 10 17:16 GMT (UK)
Hi

This is my Great Grandad in 1901..I cannot trace him before this?

 
1901 census record for household of Catherine Tierney
Address 36 Mount St
Civil Parish South Manchester 
Ecclesiastical Parish Hulme St Philip
Parliamentary Borough or Division South West Division Of Manchester
Householder 1 
Name Catherine Tierney (actually they were not married!!)
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 36
Sex Female 
Where Born Yorks Sheffield 
Householder 2 
Name John Tierney
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 42
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Journeyman Shoemaker
Employment Status 
Where Born Lancs Liverpool
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Tierneylass on Saturday 13 February 10 17:20 GMT (UK)
Re last post


I forgot to add..I have now found out that Catherine Tierney Was acctually still married to John Margerison from Glossop who incidently was also a shoemaker!! She was Catherine Lister of sheffield  - married John Margerison son of Valentine in 1883 occupation Shoe/bootmaker. The marriage to John Tierney did not take place until 1921!!!! oops
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: newburychap on Sunday 14 February 10 11:06 GMT (UK)
The Official Report for the 1891 Census quotes, for Shoe, Boot etc., Makers, 224,059 for the 1881 census and 248,789 for the 1891 census.
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/07cj/   so the task of attempting to make a database for the 19th century is daunting.

Stan 
On the other hand it would be easy enough to extract the 224,059 from the 1881 census - which would be a pretty good start to a database.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Whyayacca on Saturday 27 February 10 14:07 GMT (UK)
I have a William Lyons, Shoemaker who is shown on his son's baptism (parish records) as living in Blue Anchor Alley, Bunhill Row, I have yet to get any more evidence on this man who I think is my gt gt grandfather.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: coombs on Sunday 28 February 10 13:05 GMT (UK)
My ancestor John Britton was a cordwainer which is another term for a shoemaker. He is on the 1841 census in Witham, Essex with wife Sarah.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Slipper on Sunday 28 February 10 14:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Simon

Charles Osborne of Marshfield, Gloucestershire was described as a Collar Maker at the baptism of his son in 1822 and subsequently as a Harness Maker in the marriage certificates of his son in 1842 and 1850.

Slipper
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: yvoeliz2 on Friday 21 May 10 12:28 BST (UK)
We have a John Robinson, Master Boot Maker who lived at 230 Watford High Street, Watford, Herts in 1871 census with his first wife Emma.  He was born between 1827 and 1830 (we can't find the actual record) in Paddington Middlesex.  He died in Watford in 1893 and is buried in Vicarage Road Cemetery.  His second wife Dorcas carried on the trade for a couple of years after his death and then moved to Bolton.

Should you come across any further records we would be grateful if you could let us know.  We can't find him on the 1841, 1851, or 1861 census.  Lots of boot and shoe makers, but none born in Paddington that fit the bill so far.

Hope this adds to your database.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: coombs on Friday 21 May 10 18:49 BST (UK)
My ancestor George Clift was a bootmaker in Great Leighs, Essex from about 1871 to his death in 1920.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: giraffe on Tuesday 01 June 10 21:49 BST (UK)
My ancestor William Pilsbury  born c 1826 is recorded on Wolverhampton and Ettingshall, Bilston Censuses, and marriage and death Certificates as Cordwainer, boot and shoe maker, and master boot and shoe maker between 1851 and 1881. In 1901 he was decribed as retired shoe maker. He died in 1902.
Giraffe
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: leanora on Tuesday 01 June 10 22:04 BST (UK)
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 29 May 10 20:00 BST (UK) »   

 Wilhemina and family in the 1891 census:

William Barclay 58, shoemaker b. St Fergus, Banffsh
Jessie Barclay 29 b. Gamrie, Banffsh
Williamina Barclay 7 b. Peterhead, Aberdeensh
Isabella Barclay 88, mother b. Lonmay, Aberdeensh

Address: Kinmundy Rd, Longside Aberdeen

I am happy for you to use this information
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 10 June 10 09:14 BST (UK)
And my lot were Shoemakers as pic attached

xin
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 10 June 10 12:27 BST (UK)
Xin, what a contrast to the tripe which passes for ad's nowadays!     Skoosh.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 10 June 10 12:42 BST (UK)
Yes  I LOVE IT   and was so lucky to find it... should have it printed out and framed ...

xin
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: malivic on Sunday 13 June 10 01:16 BST (UK)
John Cole - Shoemaker - born 29/4/1788 in Corton, Suffolk. The family appears to have moved to Middlesex at some point. One of his children was my great-great grandfather, James Cole - also listed as a 'cordwainer'. James came to Australia and continued his trade until he died in 1901.
Cheers
Megan
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Mrs Dalloway on Sunday 13 June 10 17:45 BST (UK)
My ancestors were saddlers and collar makers.
Thomas Burrows,and his son of the same name were saddlers,  living in Bridge St. and The Mall Sligo, Ireland 1820 -1880s
Another relative, possibly a grandson, named Thomas Burrows, is recorded as a Saddler's Lad in 1901 English Census.  Born in Co. Sligo, but living in Allsaints parish, Southhampton, Hampshire.

I have found other Burrows's living in Sligo town at that time who were shoemakers.  Are the two professions linked?  Might they be more likely to be relatives of my line or not?

Thanks, Clarissabell
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: JacobeaM on Thursday 17 June 10 17:37 BST (UK)
I have, off the top of my head:

George Gregory (born circa 1844 in Birmingham) as a bootmaker on the 1881 Census in St Giles with his elder son Richard (aged fifteen) as a learning bootmaker.

On the 1811 London and Country Directory: William James Tickell (circa 1764 - circa 1822), shoemaker, 136 Ratcliffe Highway.

His great-grandson, also William James, is similiarly listed on the 1881 Census as a "boot clicker".
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: sarahsean on Thursday 17 June 10 20:48 BST (UK)
My ancestor George Dowding is listed as an assistant bootmaker in the 1881 census. for Clapham, surrey He went on to own his own shoe shop in Paddington which employed his son and daughter.


Regards
Sarah
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Hunbar on Tuesday 29 June 10 07:02 BST (UK)
My great grandfather Thomas Parker was a journeyman shoemaker .  He was born in Heckmondwike, Yorkshire in 1849 and died in Dewsbury in 1923.   
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: griz on Wednesday 30 June 10 07:55 BST (UK)
From 1895 directory my ancestor, William Frankish, boot and shoe maker 515 Stockport Rd. Manchester.

( I was told there is presently a Podiatrist/ chiropodist? at that address  ;D )

1901 census  William Frankish, b 1853 Hunmanby Yorkshire. Bootmaker and factor, self employed.

 1881  census he was described as a 'master shoe maker.'

On  1841 census, Hunmanby Yorkshire,    John Frankish, b  about 1809 was a shoemaker. He was the grandfather of William. 
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dianat on Monday 02 August 10 08:36 BST (UK)
Hi there

My gggrandfather was also John Robinson. He was born in 1789 in Cheshunt, Hertfordshire and was also a bootmaker.  He married a Sarah.   If you hear of a John Robinson, bootmaker from Cheshunt, please could you send me the details.  I have found it impossible to locate his parents or his grandparents.

Good luck with your family search
Best wishes
Diana
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: cyril walsh on Saturday 07 August 10 16:16 BST (UK)
my gggrandfather thomas adamson was a shoemaker so was his brothers joseph, james, and their cousin james in moate westmeath ireland.
cyril walsh
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: psearing on Sunday 08 August 10 14:50 BST (UK)
Hi Dismo

My name is Paul Searing

as a matter of interest my family were shoe/boot makers and repairers dating bake to 1850's.

My fathers was still working as a Cobbler in Luton until his death in 1986 when the business was sold on.

regards

Paul
Title: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: seamuso on Sunday 08 August 10 20:10 BST (UK)
Hi Dismo
I noticed in an earlier reply to this topic someone suggested that you contact Northampton Museum and enquire about their collection.  I contacted Victoria Davies in January and she was enthusiastic but unfortunately as the email below from Jerry Weber, Collections Access Officer for the Museum, shows it is a non-starter.  They won't be doing a National Index of Shoemakers never mind one for Northamptonshire. You have taken on a huge task.  I know someone who is experienced in setting up online indexes.  He offered to help Victoria Davies free of charge.  Let me know if you are interested and I can contact him to see if he would be willing to help or advise.  I have my own list of shoemakers and cloggers for your site.  Have you made any progress?
seamuso

Email from Northampton Museum.
Victoria Davies has passed your enquiry to me and I hope I will be able to address some of the issues that you have raised.
 
The Shoemaker's Index is an interesting and potentially very useful addition to knowledge of people who have worked in the shoe industry.  Unfortunately, the very nature of the index and its incompleteness does give me serious concerns.  When we receive inquiries relating to people working in the industry, we refer to the Index.  We also indicate to the enquirer that the Index is very incomplete.
 
We are currently planning ways of putting our collections on the web and the Shoemaker's Index potentially is one of those collections although it is not a priority.  I would be loath to attempt this while the index is so incomplete even for Northamptonshire.  I do see the possibility of making a completion on Northamptonshire using volunteers at the Museum but it will be lengthy job but is feasible in the next couple of years.  As far as getting other people to contribute, the option that may be useful would be to set up a community website relating to the shoe industry.  We have been thinking of doing this for some while but once again it is not currently our highest priority.
 
Do get back to me if you have an further enquiries.
 
Regards
 
Jerry
 
Jerry Weber
Collections & Information Access Officer
Northampton Museums Service
Guildhall Road
Northampton
NN1 1DP
01604 837633
07749 594652
 
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Sophronia13 on Tuesday 14 September 10 03:38 BST (UK)
My GARDNERs in Bristol were Shoemakers.  William GARDNER born c. 1774 goodness knows where married a Mary ?? born Haverfordwest, Pembroke Wales.

William died in 1838 in Bristol but his wife and children were also in the industry.  From the 1841 Census:

1841 Census:
Mary GARDENER, 50, shoe B(inder), not born in county
Caroline, 22, shoe B(inder), not born in county
Thomas 16, cordwainer, not born in county
[27] Sussex Street, St. Philip & Jacob without, Bristol

The surname was spelled GARDINER in other census records and GARDNER on death certificates.  I have never found baptism for any of them as I don't know where they came from.

In the 1851 Census Mary GARDNER nee ?? says she was born in Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales.

If anyone reading this has this couple in the ancestry, please contact me.

Nancy Frey

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Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Danceangel on Friday 08 October 10 17:37 BST (UK)


My great great great grandfather was a boot and shoe maker in Yorkshire

George Hawkin (1806 – 1862)
  1881 and 1891  Pateley Bridge Boot and shoemaker
 1901 Pateley Bridge boot and shoe maker, own acct.
 
Regards
Tricia
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Danceangel on Friday 08 October 10 18:31 BST (UK)
Hi
 
Here is another bootmaker

James McCracken (b1835 Downpatrick, Co. Down, d 1898 Glasgow)
    Glasgow 1861 Shoemaker( journeyman)
Glasgow 1871 Bootmaker
Glasgow 1881 Shoemaker

Kind regards
Tricia
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: SBZ5809 on Monday 11 October 10 11:44 BST (UK)
From the 1881 census (plus a few of my own additions):

William Hardwick (my mother's father's father's father)
Address: 1 Cottages, Eskdaleside, North Riding of Yorkshire
Age 63, born 1818.
Occupation: Bootmaker
Spouse: Jane Hardwick (born Mortimer)

Some information is incorrect; it gives his birthplace as "Peakstondl", but he was born at Peak Hill, near Ravenscar.

His son, Simeon, was my mother's GF, and was Mayor of Darlington in 1927-28.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: SBZ5809 on Monday 11 October 10 11:55 BST (UK)
No census records for this one while he was a Saddler (later a Collar-Maker) because he was in the Army:

Arthur Gage Plampin, born 1866, New Cross.

1881 shows him as a stableman to Thomas Jennings in Newmarket. He joined the C & T Corps in 1887, qualified as a Saddler, then a collar-maker. Left with 21 years service (mainly at Home, but with periods in Egypt and South Africa). Still described himself as a saddler on his daughter's marriage certificate in 1923.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 11 October 10 13:15 BST (UK)
I've got lots in my tree!

G-G-Grandfather was Thomas Newman Crocker (1820-1870).
He was a bootmaker in Glastonbury.

The tradition follwed in the family.
Son William Thomas Crocker (b 1858) was also a Boot & Shoe maker in Glastonbury.
2nd son John H Crocker was a Clicker.
Grandson William was a bootmaker in Westminster.

Another of Thomas Newman Crocker's sons was my G-Grandfather, Alfred James Crocker.
He married Ada Jane Vanstone, whose father, Ascott James Vanstone (1842) was a Harness-maker.
He was born in Jersey, but lived most of his life on Bath.
Ascott's father was James Vanstone (1812 - 1874) - he was a saddler, originating in North Devon.
He spent a few years in Jersey before moving to Bath.

It will take me a while to go through all the family!

Kevin

P.S. Crocker's shoe business in Bath was bought by Clarkes' of Street. At one time their factory-outlet shops were called Crockers.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: bootsman on Tuesday 19 October 10 19:58 BST (UK)
Hi, my great,great,great grandfather, Henry Burt, was a Master Shoemaker in Snape near Aldburgh, Suffolk in 1866, at the time of my 2xgreat grandfathers birth, James Henry Burt.  Please include this in your website. :)

Bootsman
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: leanora on Wednesday 20 October 10 22:59 BST (UK)
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 29 May 10 20:00 BST (UK) »   
 Wilhelmina and family in the 1891 census:
William Barclay 58, shoemaker b. St Fergus, Banffsh
Jessie Barclay 29 b. Gamrie, Banffsh
Williamina Barclay 7 b. Peterhead, Aberdeensh
Isabella Barclay 88, mother b. Lonmay, Aberdeensh
Address: Kinmundy Rd, Longside Aberdeen
I am happy for you to use this information

update on this post  my adopted cousin on clearing out her fathers  house found a shoemaker's last in a box with some photos of my great grand father g grand mother  and grandmother.

 but having posted all the other blood family pictures and documents to me she said  there no way is sheattempting to posting it i have to drive down and pick it up  :)

I am hoping it was my great grandfathers tool but until i can see if there any writting on it and possible date it  i wont know. would be very nice to  think he used it and we still have it in the family !
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: behindthefrogs on Wednesday 20 October 10 23:43 BST (UK)
Back in the 1950s nearly every family had a last or could borrow one from a neighbour.  Putting new heels on shoes was always done at home as were many repairs to the soles particularly of working boots or shoes.  Woolworths sold a large selection of different sized heels.

I know that we had two identical cast iron lasts each with four different sized "feet" so that they stood to form a tripod with the selected foot at the top.  As far as I know neither of them came from shoemaker ancestors.

David

Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: nightnurse51 on Thursday 21 October 10 00:06 BST (UK)
I have Thompson families from Alnwick corn circa 1790 onwards that were shoemakers in the Northumberland area..
This info I have pre 1841 cenises from parish records.
My great great grandfather b 1836 his father was Thomas Thompson and a shoemaker.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: leanora on Thursday 21 October 10 00:10 BST (UK)
 this has 3 part one for heel and 2 different size hmmm  feet mouldings. i have distand memorys of my grandfather meding shoes with it  when i was about 4-5 . hoping a makers name possible on it will give me more info when i can drive down south to pick it up

 so that would be around 1959 but it looked well worn then  not at all newish
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: kathyw75 on Thursday 21 October 10 12:59 BST (UK)
Not my own family, but I came across yesterday Robert Edward Page b about 1873 in Notting Hill/Kensington, a harness maker in Hammersmith in 1891, saddle & harness maker in 1901.

You already know about Northampton. I also came across 2 families of "shoomakers" in the tiny village of Blackstone in West Sussex, earlier than the time period you ask for (early 1700s), which I can send if you want.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: nameless on Thursday 21 October 10 15:03 BST (UK)
James Stickler, 1793-1855 Pucklechurch, Gloucestershire, Cordwainer.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: busybod on Thursday 21 October 10 17:18 BST (UK)
I have 3 generations of Langdale's who were Boot Finishers/Makers in Leeds, West Yorkshire:-

George Langdale (Boot & Shoe Maker) - born Leeds c.1830
His sons Robert, George, Harry and Charles - born 1872, 1865, 1862 and 1858
Charles's daughter Frances was a boot machinist - born 1887


Busybod
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: rjnbarlow on Saturday 04 December 10 20:32 GMT (UK)
Hello my name is richard john newman barlow my mother was bill crockers daughter. I lived next door to Crockers in Glastonbury.
I'd very much like to be in contact with you.
My email is  (*)

Regards

Richard

I've got lots in my tree!

G-G-Grandfather was Thomas Newman Crocker (1820-1870).
He was a bootmaker in Glastonbury.

The tradition follwed in the family.
Son William Thomas Crocker (b 1858) was also a Boot & Shoe maker in Glastonbury.
2nd son John H Crocker was a Clicker.
Grandson William was a bootmaker in Westminster.

Another of Thomas Newman Crocker's sons was my G-Grandfather, Alfred James Crocker.
He married Ada Jane Vanstone, whose father, Ascott James Vanstone (1842) was a Harness-maker.
He was born in Jersey, but lived most of his life on Bath.
Ascott's father was James Vanstone (1812 - 1874) - he was a saddler, originating in North Devon.
He spent a few years in Jersey before moving to Bath.

It will take me a while to go through all the family!

Kevin

P.S. Crocker's shoe business in Bath was bought by Clarkes' of Street. At one time their factory-outlet shops were called Crockers.


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Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Emu on Thursday 16 December 10 10:30 GMT (UK)
Hi! My Gr Gr Gr Grandfather James Egan was a bootmaker/shoemaker from Dublin, Ireland....but I have never found any records of him - would be great if someone  could find something, but I don't know where to look anymore as have looked in a few places. Irish are very hard to locate with many records destoyed.. All I know is this info  is stated on convict records and marriage records of my Gr Gr Grandfather  named James Egan as well. So this era would be 1840's to 1850's
Good luck
Cheers from Australia and Merry Christmas :)
Lesley
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: meggy1 on Thursday 16 December 10 16:16 GMT (UK)
Hi, according to the 1861 census, for the parish of Borthwick in Midlothian, Scotland
 
David Johnston age 63 occupation shoemaker, living in Chesterhill, Borthwick.

I think he might be my ggg grandparent.
Regards
Meggy1
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: springtide on Tuesday 21 December 10 15:13 GMT (UK)
My ancestor George BARNES was a cordwainer. His stats are:
b. 20 July 1820 in Budleigh Salterton, Devon
practised as cordwainer c. 1845 to 1890 in Mawnan, Cornwall
d. 24 April 1889 in Bristol, Somerset.
Regards ::)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: gene007 on Friday 15 April 11 07:12 BST (UK)
None of my relatives or forbears were saddlers or leather workers but I have just received a picture of an Old Phillips race bicycle from the 1940s. It is all rusty and has a square section drop bar stem. On the frame is this nice old leather saddle..and guess what; It is made by WILBY of Birmingham.

In the process of trying to trace the seat origins or roots I came to this site...I cannot attach the picture from the PC where I am . It is a WILBY No 28 in tan  leather with a steel frame and three compression springs.c 1947
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: bexhillian on Friday 15 April 11 17:10 BST (UK)
Just found this site.  The following might be of interest.
Henry Wharton Worcester   1861 Boot Clicker;1871 Leather Staker; 1881 Glover;1891 Leather Staker; 1901 leather Dresser.
Alfred William Wharton -1881 Shoemaker; 1891 Glover; 1901 Leather Staker; 1911 Leather Glove plaker.
James Richard Wharton 1891 Calf Hide finisher; 1911 Boot dealer;1932 Boot deajer (Kelly's directory.
Henry A V Wharton 1891 Shoe finisher;1901 Bootmaker; 1911 Boot finisher.  All the above information taken from the censuses for Worcester.

Charles Henry Wharton Leather Finisher; 1901 shoemaker in Bodmin.   He was a son of the above Henry Wharton.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: bamc37 on Saturday 23 April 11 11:20 BST (UK)
My grandfather, Charles William Calder, born Kensington 1876, was a shoemaker.
His father, Charles Calder, born 1840, Blackburn Lancs, was a shoemaker.
His father, James Calder, born 1798, Scotland, (but lived in Blackburn/Liverpool), was also a shoemaker. and his wife Mary Calder (nee Jones) was a bootcloser.
On my maternal side my great,great grandfather, Abraham James Ward, born Bury St Edmunds in 1818, was also a shoemaker. ;D
Regards
Brian
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Coomera on Saturday 30 April 11 07:37 BST (UK)
GtGt Grandfather: Hugh Quinn 1809 Co Tyrone - shoe maker or boot maker in Finsbury, middx, in the '50's & 60's.
Step GtGt Grandfather: Daniel Dansey 1827 Finsbury Middx. Shoe maker in Finsbury.

Did these folks actually make boots and shoes or, like modern times, just repair them?   john.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: fifer1947 on Saturday 30 April 11 10:31 BST (UK)
I have 3 generations father, sons and at least one grandson all shoemakers/tanners/curriers in the village of Thornhill, Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire Scotland.  I'm still working on the other children of the four sons but so far I have.  Hope you can understand this complex family!

John Stewart 1741 - unk m 1768
[On his first son's birth entry 1769 his occupation is given as John Stewart Shoemaker of Thornhill]  He had 4 sons who followed in his footsteps.


i.   James Stewart, born 10 Jan 1769 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland (see notes); died Bef. 1861 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine.

1841 Parish Number 364
address Old Town Thornhill

James Stewart age 70 Tanner all born Perthshire
Hellen Stewart age 55
James Stewart age 20 Currier J

1851 parish Number 364

address High Street
Kincardine
Thornhill Perthshire

James Stewart age 82 Tanner born THornhill
Helen Stewart age 66 wife born Thornhill
James son age 31 born Thornhill Currier
Isabella  dau age 28 servant born Thornhill


ii.   Walter Stewart, [my direct line] born 16 Aug 1772 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland; died 18 Jun 1859 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland.

1841 Parish Number 364
Kincardine
address Old Town Thornhill
Walter Stewart age 60  all born Perthshire shoe M
Agnes Stewart age 60
Peter Stewart age 30

1851 Parish Number 364
High Street Thornhill
[next door to son Peter]
Walter Head
Agnes daughter

Walter's son Peter [my direct line] Peter Stewart was born 16 Apr 1809 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland, and died 05 Nov 1870 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland.

1841 Parish Number 364
Kincardine
address Old Town Thornhill
Walter Stewart age 60  all born Perthshire shoe M
Agnes Stewart age 60
Peter Stewart age 30

1851 Parish Number 364
High Street Thornhill
Peter Stewart age 42 shoemaker born Thornhill
Cathrina wife age 35 born Thornhill
Jean dau age 2m born Thornhill

1861 census
GRO 364/4  No 57 in Schedule
Kincardine Parish, Perthshire
Thornhill Village
House in High Street,
Name      Rel  Age  Stat Occ            Birthplace
Peter Stewart  Head 51   Mar  Shoemaker (Master)  Perthshire, Thornhill
Catherine Stewart   Wife 42   Mar  Shoemaker's Wife         Perthshire, Thornhill
Jean Stewart   dau  10        Shoemaker's dau          Perthshire, Thornhill
Walter Stewart son  8         Scholar             Perthshire, Thornhill
Alexander Stewart   son  8         Scholar             Perthshire, Thornhill
Agnes Stewart  dau  6         Scholar             Perthshire, Thornhill
Janet Stewart  dau  3                        Perthshire, Thornhill
Peter Stewart  son  3 mths                        Perthshire, Thornhill

iii.   John Stewart, born 03 Jul 1774 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland; died Bef. 1851 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine.

1841 Parish Number 364

address Old Town Thornhiill

John Stewart age 65 shoe M all born Perthshire (never married died bef 1851)
David Stewart age 55 shoe M  (brother see below)
John Stewart age 30 Tanner J (nephew son of Walter)
John Stewart age 20 Tanner J (nephew son of James)

iv.   David Stewart, born 22 Jan 1782 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland; died 1860 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine.

1851 Parish Number 364
High Street
Kincardine Thornhill Perthshire
David Stewart age 67 Shoemaker [never married]


Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: brit on Sunday 01 May 11 23:01 BST (UK)
My g'g'father James Bradley b1828 Tewkesbury, Glos worked in a shoe factory. His sons were boot riiveters or finishers.
My g'father Alfred was a boot maker in Worcestershire.
Most of the relatives were shoe or boot makers. My father did not follow the profession but I remember him having a shoe last and repaired our shoes and leather school satchels.
Can anyone tell me the difference betweemn cordwainer and a shoemaker? Is it just the location as my g'fathers father in law was a cordwainer from Scotland & moved to Worcestershire.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: busybod on Monday 02 May 11 10:57 BST (UK)
As far as I'm aware, a cordwainer and a shoemaker were one and the same thing.  They both made shoes and leather goods.  I dont know how the difference in names came about though.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: fifer1947 on Monday 02 May 11 11:18 BST (UK)
A cordwainer doesn't just make shoes, they work in soft leather and suede also making bags, belts etc as well as shoes.  The name cordwainer comes from Cordoba, Andalusia in Spain where the craft (and leather work) originated.  Big difference between the two.

See Cordwainers College, Mare Street, London.   http://www.fashion.arts.ac.uk/5058.htm

My daughter who studied there many years ago made her own wedding dress out of pale stone coloured suede - beautiful!  ;D
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: busybod on Monday 02 May 11 12:52 BST (UK)
that's what I said, shoes and leather goods.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: fifer1947 on Monday 02 May 11 13:02 BST (UK)
You miss my point, a shoemaker only makes shoes and boots, not bags, purses, belts and other goods.  A cordwainer would be very offended at being called a shoemaker!   ;)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: brit on Monday 02 May 11 16:44 BST (UK)
Thankyou fifer1947 for explaining the difference. Always thought there was a distinction. Will check out the web site later. Was very surprised to know there is a college. Bet your daughters dress was absolutely beautiful.
Makes me wonder where my paternal g'mothers father    learned his trade, as he was born in Fife, Scotland before moving to Worcs.
Once again thanks.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: fifer1947 on Monday 02 May 11 17:32 BST (UK)
Thankyou fifer1947 for explaining the difference. Always thought there was a distinction. Will check out the web site later. Was very surprised to know there is a college. Bet your daughters dress was absolutely beautiful.
Makes me wonder where my paternal g'mothers father    learned his trade, as he was born in Fife, Scotland before moving to Worcs.
Once again thanks.

Back in the 17th century cordwainers made leather breeches for soldiers etc check it out.  Fabulous historical stuff.  ;D

There was a lot of traffic by sea up and down the East Coast historically, between London and Edinburgh in particular, which means there would likely be cordwainers in Edinburgh (just a step from Fife).

Sadly my lot (the Stewarts) were just tanners, boot and shoe makers.  :-[
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: busybod on Monday 02 May 11 18:38 BST (UK)
Fifer,

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: brit on Tuesday 03 May 11 18:31 BST (UK)
This is wonderful information cant wait to get delving into it. Never knew any of my g'parents on either side or family prior to that. Got married and moved to USA many many yrs ago & after 'doing' my husbands family realised I didnt know mine so got started. Amazing results. 
Thanks for the info the web site is fantastic.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Peter Russell on Sunday 05 June 11 09:13 BST (UK)
Hi, have you got your site off the ground, I have information for you if you have, regards Peter
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: mcstrings on Thursday 22 September 11 21:36 BST (UK)
Hi my 2xG Grandfather

James McInnes was born about 1844/5 in Edinburgh
1867 James’s occupation is a shoemaker & journeyman Selkirk.
1872 James is working as a boot maker.Perth
1879 James’s occupation is a boot & shoemaker Shetland.
1901 census James is an employer and is a boot repairer. Edinburgh

Mcstrings :)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 23 September 11 09:12 BST (UK)
Couple of early newspaper mentions of Cordwainers in Scotland

Caledonian Mercury, Aug 24, 1801
"On Friday last the election of the Nine Incorporated Trades of Leith, when the following gentlemen were elected Members of Convenery, viz -
.......................................
Mr William Lizars, Deacon of Cordwainers    Mr William Young, Treasurer

The Times, Apr 2, 1828
Parliamentary Intelligence
(included in a list of petitioners) ".....; from the Cordwainers of Midlothian....."

The Caledonian Mercury, Jul 11, 1836
"Sir G Clerk, after presenting a petition from the Cordwainer's Corporation in Edinburgh......"

regards

   
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: peb21 on Thursday 13 October 11 01:08 BST (UK)
I have in 1851 (my 3x G Grandfather) Thomas Callaghan b.1815 Shoemaker from Cork Ireland, living @ Orchard St. Westminster, with his family also his brother John b1823 Shoemaker with his family living @ same address.
Thomas and his wife Catherine had six children. (that I know of)

1861 Thomas Callaghan, living @ Great Peter street Westminster three of his four sons  as Shoemakers.

1871 Thomas Callaghan, living @ Great Peter street Westminster two sons as Shoemakers.
I cannot find Thomas after this Census.

1881 (His son) Thomas b 1845 from Cork Ireland (My 2x G Grandfather) is listed as a boot maker, living @ Great Peter street Westminster with his family.
Thomas and his wife Sarah had eight children.

1891 Thomas is listed as a Boot + Clog maker, living @ Great Peter street Westminster with his family

1901 Thomas is listed as a Boot maker/ repairer, living @ Great Peter street Westminster with his family

1911 Thomas is listed as a Boot repairer,  living @ Great Peter street Westminster with his family

I have a marriage certificate for one of his daughter's for 1922 stating Thomas as a boot repairer.  On some of the birth and marriage certificates for his children it either states him as a shoe maker  master or a boot repairer.

I hope this of use to you, if you wish to use it.

Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Skoosh on Saturday 15 October 11 10:56 BST (UK)
The Scots Dictionary gives Cordiners & Shoemakers as one and the same.     Skoosh.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: nickeloid on Sunday 30 October 11 15:42 GMT (UK)
I am developing a database of Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddlers and Harness makers

Please do send me details of any ancestors from 19th century who had any of these occupations

Simon

As I am guessing you are someone who knows a bit about the above trades perhaps you could answer a question please:

I have found my 3rd great g'father Samuel Lloyd b. abt 1789 in various records in London, referred to as shoemaker (includes 1841, 51 and 61 census). His place of birth in the latter two census records states Oswestry, Salop. I have been looking at birth records in Oswestry and have found a likely candidate where the father, Andrew Lloyd is recorded as a saddler.

My question is, would you regard it as likely that the son of a saddler from Oswestry might move to London and become a shoemaker?

You are welcome to include both instances in your database, though I haven't yet proven that Samuel is definitely the son of Andrew.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: zacie on Wednesday 23 November 11 06:39 GMT (UK)
William Boyce born Ireland 1799. At the time of his death (1850) he was a Boot and Shoe Maker working in Liverpool. (From Death Certificate)
Neil Boyce
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: suziwong on Sunday 27 November 11 13:44 GMT (UK)
I believe that william and mary had a daughter Martha who married George Davidge family, and later live with her son with her son in taunton according to the 1901 cenus. I have William, a greengrocer at one time.

The Davidges were also cordwainers and shoe makers, but the men were boilermakers, possibly the railway engines, as they live near the railway station but also the docks to build steam ship (dates unknown).
I hope this helps you.

Say hi to nance frey for me, as we are looking for the same family.

suziwong
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: illjaorterpa on Sunday 27 November 11 14:43 GMT (UK)
Is your interest leather products? If so would whip maker be part of your collection? If so my 2 x great grandfather John Rabbit b.1835 Roscommon, Ireland was a whip maker from when he arrived in Birmingham (1861 census until 1901).I have also found a Martin Rabbit b.1832 Roscommon- whip maker in 1851 census in Burslem, Staffs.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: pollymann on Monday 28 November 11 12:36 GMT (UK)
My gg-grandfather George Noble (born Earsdon, Northumberland 1832, died South Hetton, County Durham, 29 Jan 1890 was a shoemaker. In the 1851 census he was apprentice to his brother, Thomas Noble, in Murton, Co Durham. By his marriage in 1854 he was described as a shoemaker. He appears in the 1858 Post Directory of Northumberland and Co Durham entry for Murton, Co Durham as a boot and shoemaker (page 386) in Murton Colliery. On his death certificate he is described as a Master Shoemaker. None of his sons followed him but two became tailors.
You have my permission to use the information. I have a photograph of him and a copy of the Post Directory entry if you would like them.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: juliepaillin on Tuesday 29 November 11 12:25 GMT (UK)
I have shoe makers, cordwainers, boot riviters, in the Leicester, Nuneaton and London area, if you are on Genes Reunited, more then happy to share info.

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Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: robsal on Tuesday 28 February 12 17:55 GMT (UK)
Hi my 2nd and 3rd grandfathers were cordwainers.

William Salisbury born Whepstead Suffolk 1803-1838
William Salisbury born Bury St. Edmunds 1832-1879

Hope this is of some use.

Robert
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: dianat on Tuesday 28 February 12 22:45 GMT (UK)
If you are still developing your database of Shoemakers from the 19th Century, may I please add my ggg grandfather John Robinson who was a Shoemaker in Cheshunt, Hertfordshire.  He was born in 1789 and died in Cheshunt in 1831.  I have no idea where he was born and even who his parents were.  He married Sarah Hackice in 1811 in London and on the Church marriage record, it says they were both residents of Lambeth.   I know there was a huge family of Robinsons living at that time in Cheshunt and they were mainly Coach Builders, so whether my John Robinson was related to them is the question that is difficult to solve.

Kind regards
Diana Terry (Tasmania Australia)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Capster on Thursday 08 March 12 23:11 GMT (UK)
Hi. According to Ireland Census 1901 my great grandfather was a Harness Maker and his son also.
McCarthy of Co Kerry.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: GrahamSimons on Thursday 08 March 12 23:36 GMT (UK)
William Vazie

b unknown (would love to know, I suspect links to Alston)
m 1720 Hexham Northumberland
Saddler in Hexham
d 1769 Hexham


His grandson Robert Vazie
b 1758 Hexham
d June 1830
Civil Engineer but was granted a Patent for Saddles No 1931 in 1793; advertised in The Times as manufactured by Edward Jee, Cannon-street, Birmingham and sold by Stanley, Green and Co, Rupert-street, Coventry-street, Birmingham.

As far as I can tell the Vazie surname (with this spelling) is extinct in Northern England



Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: pet50ite on Friday 16 March 12 11:58 GMT (UK)
Hi,
My Gr Gr grandfather James Cowan is listed on his son's wedding certificate as a saddler.
James Cowan, 18(?) Clonliffe Avenue, Dublin. father James Cowan, saddler,
married Sophie Duffy in 1879.
He is also listed as saddler on his own marriage record to Mary Anne Addi in Dublin (Upper Sackville street) 1851 and his son Hugh's baptismal record also in Dublin (Mary Street)1857
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Janice123 on Monday 02 April 12 15:38 BST (UK)
Hi,
I have a John Kidson who is a shoemaker in Neenton Shropshire in 1851. I also found a reference in the Shropshire Archives  referring to a Thomas Kidson on Netchwood Common, Shropshire (Near by). Dated 1762 it talks of a Thomas Kidson, Shoemaker,  leasing a property on Netchwood common. It reads as follows
20th June 1762, Indenture between Frances Canning of Cambrey in Flanders and Thomas Kidson of Netchwood Common in Ditton Priors, Shoemaker. Lease for shop and house for three lives on Netchwood Common.
I also have an ancestor called George Wenham Davies who with his brother William ran a boot and shoe manufacturing business in Manchester from around 1879 .
Best wishes Jan
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: confused73 on Monday 23 April 12 19:54 BST (UK)
Hi.  Quite a few of my ancesters were harness and saddle makers.
 Friend Bottle saddle maker and master harness makerabt1836-1880
 Friend Bottle harness maker,saddler journeyman.1812-1891
 William Iddenden Bottle harness maker1782-1853
   Best wishes llandinam
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: walkerscott on Tuesday 10 July 12 14:29 BST (UK)
hi kevin,
it was interesting reading your message.
do you by any chance know of a john crocker, who would be about 75 today, of street, somerset. i believe his family were involved with the shoe business? 
he was a fit and handsome young man, light brownish hair, green or blue eyes ...
any information leading to his history or family would be welcome.
john
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: terryjd on Sunday 28 October 12 09:27 GMT (UK)
John,

I have a fair amount of information on Daniel, (if you don't already have it). I am not sure if you can PM here?

Regards - Terry

GtGt Grandfather: Hugh Quinn 1809 Co Tyrone - shoe maker or boot maker in Finsbury, middx, in the '50's & 60's.
Step GtGt Grandfather: Daniel Dansey 1827 Finsbury Middx. Shoe maker in Finsbury.

Did these folks actually make boots and shoes or, like modern times, just repair them?   john.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: confused73 on Sunday 28 October 12 09:40 GMT (UK)
Hallo Simon, would you by any chance have a Leadsdale or very similar name in your shoe maker list, he would have been around in the early 1800s.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: davefoster on Wednesday 26 December 12 15:18 GMT (UK)
I'm planning to prepare a page on the life of a shoemaker in mid 1800s.  Any suggestions on websites, ideas, books etc?  My ancestor, James Foster,  lived in Yorkshire. 
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: MaryA on Wednesday 26 December 12 15:59 GMT (UK)
Google Cordwainer, you will find quite a number of sites.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: millymcb on Thursday 14 November 13 00:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Dismo

Just wondering if you got anywhere with your database of Shoe and boot makers?

I have found more info on my James McBride - shoemaker and/or cordwainer in Manchester - originally Ireland. (I posted his details somewhere on this thread).

I have 1841 Census, burial and death info now...
See my post here which has some info if you still want it.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=668060.msg5131376
 
Milly
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: BonnieDownUnder on Thursday 14 November 13 02:40 GMT (UK)
My 3xggf William Cook was a 'saddler'

bc 1793 Thirsk, Yorkshire died 15 Dec 1865 Boroughbridge.

His death notice in the Yorkshire Gazette reads:

COOK - on the 15th inst., at Boroughbridge, at the house
of his son, aged 72, Mr William Cook, saddler, late of
Walmgate, in this city

C1851 has him living at Black Horse Road  ;D - I wonder if it still there?
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: sandyjose on Sunday 02 February 14 23:45 GMT (UK)
I have 3 generations of shoemakers in my family.The first is William Gunning born 1823 in Newtownards Co Down,I don't have any census records for him as they were all destroyed but on his son's wedding entry,by which time he had died,it states shoe maker for his occupation.3 of William's sons were shoemakers,Thomas, 1855-1925, David, 1858-1921 and James, 1854-1911.Thomas,after he married in 1877, went to live in Glasgow,he's on the 1881 and 1891 censuses but he also was traveling  backwards and forwards to New Zealand,he's on the censuses in New Zealand and his brother James had moved there after he married.By 1901 he had gone to live in New Zealand permanently leaving behind his wife,son and daughter. His wife and daughter went back to Ireland but his son William James,my grandad,stayed in Glasgow where he was also a bootmaker.After going to Ireland to get married in 1903,William James returned to Glasgow where he worked as a bootmaker for the co-op.He died in 1920.David, worked as a bootmaker in Newtownards until his death in 1921.He had a big family but I don't know if any of his sons carried the business on.Hope this helps your research.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: susan42 on Monday 03 February 14 20:42 GMT (UK)
Fullarton Dick b 1778 in Ayr
Occupation in 1802 Shoemaker in Ayr

Susan42
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: syljun on Tuesday 04 February 14 16:12 GMT (UK)
Henry Harding b. 1847 Somerset
1891 Census - Kensington, London-Shoemaker. Died 1898
wife Eliza Harding - 1901 census Kensington - Shoemaker b. 1850 Dorset.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Freespirit1 on Friday 18 April 14 08:24 BST (UK)
My 4xg grandfather, Thomas Morgan was variously described as leathercutter and shoemaker.  His details are as follows:
Baptised 14 June 1812 Westbourne, Sussex
1841 census: Thomas Morgan, leathercutter, Ryde, Isle of Wight
1851 census: Thomas Morgan, leathercutter, Newport Road, Ryde, Isle of Wight

He was also described as a leathercutter on his son's marriage certificate in 1853.

Thomas's father and grandfather were blacksmiths but his mother, Sarah Holt, came from Bosham near Chichester.  When researching in the West Sussex Archives at Chichester, I came across a number of references to a Holt family in Chichester as curriers and cordwainers, also taking on apprentices.

It seems that Thomas Morgan  and his family always used the term leathercutter but his death on 7 June 1859 was reported by someone by the name of John Allen, who described him as 'Boot and Shoe Maker Master'.  I later found John Allen (no relation to the Morgan family) on the 1861 census as follows:

John Allen, 47, boot and shoemaker and leathercutter, 32 John St, Ryde, IOW

In a completely different branch of the family I have also found:
William Skinner, baptised 22 April 1724, Buxted, Sussex. 
From 1748 to 1770, William appears as a cordwainer in Buxted taking on apprentices.  He died in Buxted in 1788 at the age of 64.

Is the index available to view yet?
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: behindthefrogs on Friday 18 April 14 10:45 BST (UK)
The boot and shoe museum in Northampton had a huge card index of shoemakers.  Des anyone know if that has been computerized and put online?
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: lonetrooper on Friday 18 April 14 19:20 BST (UK)
We also have boot and shoemakers in more than one line and some of them have the term ‘Master’ as a prefix.

I hope others know more about old qualifications but I believe the term ‘Master’ was not self-appointed but a title that had to be earned after serving an apprenticeship with another Master who belonged to one of the Worshipful Companies of trade’s folk e.g. http://www.cordwainers.org/.

These apprenticeships were no small matter; were extremely disciplined and parents could sign over their sons to serve a Master for as long as 6-7 years. The deal seemed to be that Masters would provide food and accommodation in exchange for the training. I don’t think that boot and shoe making had much status, even as a Master, but there are some skills where completion of an apprenticeship, such as a Master tailor, resulted in a certificate that included the status of Freedom of the City. It may be worth asking the worshipful companies for lists of Masters.

Another resource may be to identify market towns where quality, leather making was renowned, such as Elham in Kent and where many skilled leather workers would settle and trade. The status of Market town had to be granted, not sure how but again, there may be an index of UK Market towns.

Maybe it would be better to start by approaching the people that David has mentioned and offering to collate all the existing databases so that there is one, dedicated site?

Xinia – Sorry, can't figure out how to post a quote but that shoe shop advert is really beautiful and  moving too. How things have changed! May I quote from it and keep a copy for personal use?

Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: lonetrooper on Friday 18 April 14 19:37 BST (UK)
Apolos - The apprenticeship deal was that Masters would provide a training, food and accommodation in exchange for free labour.
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: lonetrooper on Friday 18 April 14 21:54 BST (UK)

Just found this after following advice in the Beginners section entitled 'looking for a person'?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/apprentice.htm

Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: 1pds on Friday 18 April 14 23:07 BST (UK)
"Master" was also used as a prefix for "Hatters", I have an ancester with that occupation in the mid 19C. Interestingly his son became a "Bootmaker"...
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: lonetrooper on Thursday 24 April 14 20:28 BST (UK)
Master Hatter; what a wonderful title.

Have you seen the apprenticeship documents? They are awesome terms and conditions. Not allowed to show you a real one re: copyright and can't quickly find a sample but well worth looking at if you can. Maybe the  Worshipful Company of Hatters will let you see one; you never know, the Queen of hearts herself, may oblige :)
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: lonetrooper on Saturday 17 May 14 23:00 BST (UK)
Apprenticeships: Awesome terms and conditions

Here is a word for word copy of an indenture for a 7 year apprenticeship. I have seen a few of these now for various trades, such as blacksmith and shoemaker. All of the terms and conditions are more or less identical.  The length of apprenticeship seems to be 7 years. The only difference seems to be how much has to be paid to a master.

[
b]London England Freedom of the City Admission Papers
[/b]

This Indenture witnesseth that, ….(Name)….son of …(Name of father)…..of …(Address)… in the County of….. the sum of ten pounds being paid or secured to the Master, as the consideration for taking the said apprentice, doth put himself Apprentice to… (Name)… Citizen and MERCHANT TAYLOR of London, to learn his Art, and with him (after the manner of an Apprentice) to serve from the Date hereof until the full End and Term of ….seven…Years, from thence next following to be fully complete and ended.
During which Term, the said Apprentice his said Master faithfully shall serve:

•   His Secrets keep;
•   His lawful Commandments everywhere gladly do.
•   He shall do no Damage to his said Master, nor see it to be done of others, but that he, to his Power, shall let, or forthwith give warning to his said Master of the same.
•   He shall not waste the goods of his said Master, nor lend them unlawfully to any.
•   He shall not commit fornication, nor contract matrimony within the said Term.
•   He shall not play at cards, dice, tables, or any other unlawful games, whereby his said Master may have any loss.
•   With his own goods or others, during the said term, without license from his said Master, he shall neither buy nor sell.
•   He shall not haunt taverns or play-houses, nor absent himself from his said Master’s service, day nor night, unlawfully;
•   but in all things, he said Apprentice, he shall behave himself towards his said Master, and all his during the said Term.

And the said Master, his said Apprentice in the same Art which he useth, by the best means that he can, shall teach and instruct, or cause to be taught and instructed, finding unto his said Apprentice, meat, drink, apparel, lodging and all other necessaries, according to the custom of the City of London, during the said Term. And for the true performance of all and every, the said Covenants and Agreements, either of the said Parties bind themselves unto the other by these Presents.

IN WITNESS whereof, the Parties above named to these Indentures interchangeably have put their Hands and Seals the …day..of ..month.. in the …number of years…Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lady VICTORIA, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, Queen, and so forth and in the Year of Our Lord, One Thousand Eight Hundred and ….

Witness: The master’s signature and clerk’s signature.
Stamped and sealed.

 :-\

Can’t imagine anyone willing to sign up for that these days! But I like that they took the artistry so seriously and that it was recognised as having such value, in and of itself.

Here too is a link where you can access an index of 108 various worshipful companies.
http://www.merchant-taylors.co.uk/
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: 1pds on Saturday 17 May 14 23:15 BST (UK)
Thank-you Lone Trooper, I missed your first reply and have only just read it... What a contract one had to enter into to get a trade!!!
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: lonetrooper on Sunday 18 May 14 00:05 BST (UK)
Yes indeed!

No haunting of taverns for 7 years!!

 :'(
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: Murrell on Monday 30 June 14 22:08 BST (UK)
Hi dismo, please will you include my husband's 2x g grandfather on your planned data base.
Richard Murrell dob 1830 dies 1857 shoe maker from Brighton.
Sorry l haven't got more info at moment, but will research this guy as it would seem no one else does the same line of work. Rest of family are shop keepers & fishermen. K
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: suey on Monday 30 June 14 22:45 BST (UK)
I'd love to have mine included dismo...

CENSUS - 1841   at Swyfe Gate House, Heathfield - 
George Napp 20, Shoemaker born Heathfield Sussex
George died in 1849

CENSUS 1871- 3 Packham Cottages Hurstpierpoint
Irad Knapp 34 Shoemaker b Woodmancote
Irad died 1874

CENSUS 1881 - Cottage, No 5, Ockley, Surrey
Henry Knapp 39 Shoemaker b Heathfield Sussex  (census says born "not known" but he was from Heathfield)
Died Hawkhurst Kent 1925

Suey
Title: Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
Post by: maggiebn on Sunday 13 July 14 08:29 BST (UK)
My GGrandfather was a boot and shoemaker in Nottingham and Leicester. He was Frank Knight.