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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => England => Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests => Topic started by: redshank on Friday 23 October 09 09:23 BST (UK)
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Please could someone tell me where Joseph and Lucy CASTLE give as their place of birth in 1851/61. They were living in Basingstoke, I believe, and have a daughter Jane (baptised 1835) who is my wife's gggrandmother.
Many thanks,
John
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1851
HO107 1681 232 34
Burman Place basingstoke
Joseph 40 Road labourer
Lucy 41
Jane 15
Henry 15
William 11
Ellen 10
Maria 6
Eliza 5
Frederic 2
Sarah 5 mths
George brother 49 glazer
all bn Basingstoke
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1861
RG9 708 88 21
Burman Place B'stoke
Joseph 49 labourer
Lucy 51
Henry 23
William 21
Ellen 20
Alice 13
Sarah 10
Frederick 12
all bn B'stoke
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Thank you very much for that - I had wondered whether he was the Joseph baptised in Alverstoke, but it seems not.
Thanks again for your help,
John
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Hi John,
At least you have Brother George with him in 1851 census. Althought that has not helped me track down their Christenings!
Not sure if you have this;
Marriage
Joseph CASTLE
Lucy WOOLFORD
31 May 1834, Basingstoke, Hampshire, England
Possible Christening for Lucy;
Lucy WOOLFORD
10 December 1809, Wootton Saint Lawrence, Hampshire
Mother, ANN Woolford
All extracted records IGI at Familysearch
Trish :)
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Hi Trish,
Many thanks for this.
Yes, I did wonder whether his brother would help to identify the right Joseph, but so far I haven't found their baptisms either.
I did find the marriage of Joseph and Lucy, thank you, and I noted the baptism of Lucy. Given how close Wootton St Lawrence seems to be on the map, it does seem credible that she would say she was born in Basingstoke, doesn't it? Joseph and Lucy did call their third daughter Ann, so that might also be a pointer. (And I can't imagine it's a very common name!)
Thanks again for your help,
John
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Hello
Just came across your post. Actually the place they lived was Bunnian Place which is just by the station. The houses are all gone now but the road is still there.
If you go to www.hantsphere.org.uk and type in Bunnian Place you can see how it looked with the houses. Have just checked the nearby cemetery burial records and there was an Alfred Charles Castle who was buried there on 22.11 1897, a clerk aged 28 years who lived at 2 Bunnian Place. There are plenty of other Castles buried there but all lived elsewhere in the town.
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Just checked the names of the ones I found buried in South View Cemetery against the names of the children of the marriage and discovered a burial of William Castle on 5th April 1918 a telegraph linesman aged 78 who was living in Soper Grove. He seems the right age to be the son of Joseph and Lucy.
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Thank you for that - I had a look at the picture of the street where they were living.
William does look a possibility to be the son of Joseph and Lucy and brother of Jane, so thank you too for that.
Thanks again,
John
Edit: Just looked up William in 1881 and he was working as a Telegraph Wireman, so it looks even more likely that was his burial in 1918, thank you.
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Hello
JUST FOUND YOUR MESSAGE BY CHANCE.
Do you know of a RICHARD CASTLE 1838 BASINGSTOKE ( in Bassingstoke Common also Bunnion Place ), ?
If you can help or would like info on him, please get in touch.
Hes mother was HANNAH CASTLE 1816.
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Just checked the burial records and there is a Richard Castle buried in South View cem on the 18th June 1873 aged 83, a labourer, of Basingstoke Common. He is in the same grave as George Castle who died aged 60 and was buried 16.2.1865, a plumber, living in the Union workhouse.
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Hi Spanswick,
I am not sure what you have but in 1851 Census Hannah is with her Father Richard born c 1793, Basingstoke.
Her Sons Richard 1838 and Charles 1849 are down as Richards Grandsons
HO107/1681/173/38
Christenings, Basingstoke, Hampshire;
RICHARD Castle, 06 May 1838, Mother HANNAH
CHARLES JOHN Castle, 09 August 1849, Mother HANNAH
(Source Familysearch.Org)
1841 Census in Basingstoke we have;
Richard CASTLE, 45, Labourer
Charles, 10, Labourer
John, 13, Shoemakers Apprentice
HANNAH, 24
RICHARD, 3
All born in County
HO107/385/5/Basingstoke
Christenings Basingstoke, Hampshire to RICHARD/CATHERINE Castle and Variants of Surname;
MARY ANN, 21 Aug 1814
ANNA Castle, 25 Oct 1816***
HARRIET Castel, 26 Oct 1819
CHARLES Castel, 01 Aug 1822
RICHARD Castell, 16 Oct 1825
JOHN Castel, 08 June 1828
(Source Familysearch.Org)
***So ANNA is probably Hannah and Charles/John/Hannah and her Son Richard are at Home with Richard Castle Snr in the 1841 Census.
I cant find CHARLES c 1831's Christening.
This may be Richards Marriage;
Richard CASTLE
Katherine WILKINS
29 January 1814, Basingstoke, Hampshire
(Source IGI Extracted)
CATHERINE Castle was Buried 28 March 1837, Basingstoke
(F/S.Org)
So that is why she doesnt appear 1841 Census
Trish :)
EDIT;
ALFRED Castle c 1842 from 1851 census seems to be the Illeg Son of HARRIET c 1819;
CHARLES ALFRED Castle Christened 15 Aug 1841, Basingstoke,
Mother HARRIET Castle
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Just realised there is only 1 CHARLES Castle, Son of Richard/Catherine.
1841 Census he is age 18 looking at the image, but mistranscribed as age 10.
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Thank you for all those CASTLES - I suspect Richard b1793 might be the brother of my wife's Joseph, along with a Thomas, George and William. What I still haven't found is the baptisms of that generation, although they all say they were born Basingstoke.
It has, at least, reminded me that I need to keep looking for this family.
Thanks again,
John
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Hi John,
Yes looks to me that they were all related and prob Brothers.
RITCHERD Castle Christened 27 December 1792, Basingstoke, Hampshire
Parents JOHN/MARY
(Source Familysearch.Org)
Only others I can find in Bas.. to John/Mary;
MARY 05 July 1789
WILLIAM 01 May 1791
THOMAS 04 October 1794
Trish :)
EDIT IGI has an Extracted Marriage;
John CASTLE/Mary ROLFE, 17 November 1788, Brixton, Hampshire
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Hi Trish,
Thank you - I wonder how I missed those?
George was with Joseph in 1851 and is described as his brother.
George was with Thomas in 1841 although it doesn't give the relationship.
William was with Thomas in 1851 and is described as brother.
It does look as though they are probably all children of John and Mary (or a second wife if Mary died between Thomas and Joseph's birth...).
Is there a gap in the records or is it likely that Joseph and George were baptized elsewhere?
Thanks,
John
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That I am not sure of.
I have looked around on Hugh Wallis and searched Basingstoke records with no luck for the others christenings.
I did notice a John Castle, Residence Basingstoke, who Married 28 Feb 1808, Hunton, to a Mary King earlier on Anc.
This is also on FreeREG but doesnt say if he was a Widower.
I wonder if this could be your John?
1841 Census
Nursling, Hampshire
HO107/400/8/Nursling
John CASTLE, 75, Labourer
Mary, 62
Eliza, 30
All born in County
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Thank you Trish.
I did wonder about John and Mary in Nursling in 1841 - I discounted them as Mary would be too young to have married in 1788 and be the mother of a child in 1789. In 1851 she's 71 and living with the Luscombe family. But if she was John's second wife...
Thanks,
John
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Hello again apologies for delay. The Castle family is related by marriage to the Culley + Morrow Families.
at present we have 1403 names on the extended tree.
Census of 1911 All born in Basingstoke, Charles Castle age 65 ( 1851c dob 1837 ) but as you are aware in these early census, ages were rounded up.
Charlotte age 60 - Charles 40 - Richard 36 - Albert 22 - Sidney 18 - Annie 30 - Alice 24 - Lottie 22 - Florence 16
1841 census RICHARD CASTLE age 3 ( born 1838, correct ) Basingstoke. There are two places mentioned over time, Basingstoke Common and Bunnion Place Basingstoke.
Richard married ELIZABETH SPANSWICK born Eastbury 1841 at St James Eastbury on 8th Feb 1862.
He was a policeman in Uffingham ( where he lodged ), when left policeforce, became a signalman in London ( British Rail ).
Hoping this is a little usefull. Please keep in touch.
Best regards Dave
Morrows are related to Cunard Bros through marriage in Canada.
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Hello Joseph and Lucy Castle
Just refreshing my memory on boards, did I say, on Richards marriage cert to Elizabeth Spanswick, it states his father as RICHARD CASTLE ? On all cens it is his grandad ?
Have you looked at tree on Ancestory ?
Please keep me informed if you find any info extra, I will do the same, g/tee this.
KEEPING FAMILY HIISTORY NAMES ALIVE. Thanks, Dave
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Little extra, I rec last week, I have not checked yet.
www.hantsphere.org.uk Type in Bunnion Place Alfred Charles Castle , clerk , 2, Basingstoke Place, buried 22 Nov 1897 South View Cemetry....
Record Office Archives http: // www3.hants.gov.uk / archives /catalogue.htm again, not checked yet.
Good luck, Dave
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Hello
Little more info may help you ?
Richard Castle 1796 Bunnion place Basingstoke Bap 27 Dec 1796 died there, 1873
married, Catherine Wilkins 29 Jan 1814
1841 c Residence Bunnion place
1861 Basingstoke Occupation, Highway Labourer
1861 .. age 68 Lodger Hackwood Road, Basingstoke.
Hoping this helps,.
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Hlello Trish 1120
First of all, allow me to say CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR MARRIAGE.
Thank you for all that info on Richard Castle, he was my wifes Gt Grandfather on her mums side.
We have found out , Richard Castle 1838 was a policeman in Uffington , Berks . he married Elizabeth Spanswick, in St James Eastbury Berks. Moved to London, occupation then a signalman on the railway.
We have his children.
Hardest part is finding his FATHER, Mother was Hannah 1816. Her parents were Richard and Catherine, still trying to find their parents, ? plus
We have now put your info on the family tree.
SO A GREAT THANK YOU. Any-one related wishing to see tree, please get in touch
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Hello Joseph and Lucy Castle
This is going to sound dumb, I have just realised your name is CASTLE.
Can I ask are you related to the Castle family we are researching , please ?
If you do not want to say, keeping your privacy, we do understand, will not ask again.
IF YOU ARE AND WANT INFO WE HAVE, , We have a large extended family tree on ANCESTORY, .
Does this go personal or every-one, ?
If personal, can send you details to VIEW THE TREE , AT NO COST TO YOU,
Once again Thank you, Dorothea and Dave
Castle - Spanswick - Culley ( Dorothea ) - Morrow - Duffus - Cunard - some of names
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Hi Dorothea and Dave,
Not sure whether I have understood your question correctly, but Joseph and Lucy CASTLE are the subject of this thread, although it has widened to the Castles of Basingstoke. They are my wife's ggggrandparents and it looks as though Joseph Castle was the son of John Castle and Mary ROLFE. He was also the brother of the Richard who was born in1792, who was the father of Hannah b 1816.
Hope that helps,
John
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Hello John
Thank you for that info, I did not know this.
My wifes Gt Grandfather was Richard Castle 1838, son of Hannah.
We have a large extended family tree on ANCESTORY , you need to pay to join BUT, you can join as a GUEST to us, which will cost you nothing, If your interested ?
Then you can look at Tree,
You do not need to give us any info of your-selves, you just need the info to sign in as a guest, from us.
CAN WE SEND YOU THIS INFO ON THIS SITE, PRIVATELY , FOR YOUR-SELVES ONLY ?
Do you know the D O Bs and place of birth for , John and Mary please.
Thank you, Best wishes, D and D
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Hello again,
Sorry, don't know any more details of John and Mary - if you read back through the thread you'll find a possible for John in Nursling in 1841 which gives a dob of 1766. Ages above 15 were usually rounded down in 1841 to the nearest 5 years, so he could have been born between 1761 and 1766 if it is the same John.
I see there are several trees on ancestry with your Castle line - which one is yours, please? (If you prefer, you can send me the details by a private message.)
Many thanks,
John
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Hello John
HOW DO I SEND YOU A PRIVATE MESSAGE with details ? please
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Underneath my name and the picture of Society Street there is a 'scroll' which says Personal Message if you hover over it. You can click on it and it opens a message box. Write your message and press Send and I'll receive it.
Thanks,
John