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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: paul* on Thursday 22 October 09 17:07 BST (UK)
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I'm hoping that someone with local knowledge of the Horsley and Holbrook areas will be able to help me locate both Horsley Coppice and Lee Lane, which I cannot seem to find on any maps of the area. Thanks for any help in advance.
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Hi,
If you Google Earth, Horsley Coppice, Horsley, Derbyshire, it takes you to Coppice Lane, Kilburn, which is just down the road from Horsley. Postcode DE56 0UK.
If you then go in to Google Maps Uk and type in the same info. It takes you to the back of Coppice Lane In Kilburn with the added info that it is near Horsley Woodhouse.
Alijet
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Hi again,
Can't find a Lea Lane, but there is a Stone Lea. A parish map is available of Holbrook on fiche from
www.west-middlesex-fhs.org.uk/content/fiche.aspx
Alijet
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Hello Paul. The only place that I've been able to locate Lee/Lea Lane as being is in the vicinity between Holbrook and Coxbench-to the leftside of, what is now, Portway, as you travel from Coxbench upto Holbrook. There are a few entries for Lea Lane in the Holbrook 1841 census.
I'm afraid that Horsley Coppice I don't know about but I'll see if I can find any further information for you.
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Hi again,
Can't find a Lea Lane, but there is a Stone Lea. A parish map is available of Holbrook on fiche from
www.west-middlesex-fhs.org.uk/content/fiche.aspx
Alijet
This 'Stone Lea' is actually the name of a house and not near the area that I believe was Lee Lane.
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:-[ Sorry, forgot to come on here to thank those who posted with suggestions. Thanks to mobilenanny and the 1841 census I've got a better idea when Lee Lane was, even though it seems to have disappeared soon after. Still no joy with Horsley Coppice, although I found Horsley Castle close by Coxbench, so maybe it was in that area. I must try to find some mid 1800s maps of the area.
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Hi,
I had family on Lea Lane, would love to see where abouts it was if you can Google Map it for us please :)
Thanks,
Ashley
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Paul..
Have you tried Old Maps:http://www.old-maps.co.uk/indexmappage2.aspx This site has old maps for various years, in case of Horsley, there are 3 maps, one in 1881. If you put in Horsley Coppice no result comes, but if you put in Horsley, then a map of Horsley shows all manner of places around that village.
In the Derby Mercury, there are two references to Horsley Coppice:
One on the 18th January, 1854, says: At Little Eaton, aged 78, Mr. John Woodward, formerly of Horsley Coppice, much respected.
The second: May 3, 1855, At Bramcote, on the 1st inst.,by the Rev. Aston, Mr. Thos. Wright, of St. Mary's Gate, Derby, to Elizabeth, second daughter of of the late Mr. John Woodward, formerly of Horsley Coppice, Derbyshire.
Tom
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Hi Tom, yes these are the two references from the Derby Mercury that I am trying to follow-up. John Woodward was living at Lee Lane, Holbrook on the 1841 census, but I cannot find him on the 1851. I'm not sure what 'formerly' means in the context of the death notice, a birthplace, address where he lived for most of his life, or last known address?
Thanks for the link to Old-Maps web site, I've tried it many times, but have never had any luck as the site always seems to crash. After a bit of lateral thinking I switched from Opera to Firefox, and after a couple more crashes and fiddling with cookies, actually managed to view a map!! Not that the quality is particularly good, but it beats all the maps that I have found so far.
Ashie1973,
If you follow this link http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=coxbench&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=13.104954,30.717773&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Holbrook,+Belper,+Derbyshire,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.989884,-1.456134&spn=0.00651,0.023174&t=h&z=16 the lane running almost East/West in the centre of the map is what I take to be Lee Lane.
Paul
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Hi Paul
I have a old map dated 1838 and the coppice is shown on the left hand side of Cloves Hill if you were travelling down Cloves Hill from Brackley Gate.it would have been on the righthand side of the Roman road RYKNELD STREET.
Regards
Ken
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Hi hireman,
Thanks for that, I see it on a modern map, it's called Coppice Dumble. I wonder why its name changed?
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Hi Tom, yes these are the two references from the Derby Mercury that I am trying to follow-up. John Woodward was living at Lee Lane, Holbrook on the 1841 census, but I cannot find him on the 1851. I'm not sure what 'formerly' means in the context of the death notice, a birthplace, address where he lived for most of his life, or last known address?
Thanks for the link to Old-Maps web site, I've tried it many times, but have never had any luck as the site always seems to crash. After a bit of lateral thinking I switched from Opera to Firefox, and after a couple more crashes and fiddling with cookies, actually managed to view a map!! Not that the quality is particularly good, but it beats all the maps that I have found so far.
Ashie1973,
If you follow this link http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=coxbench&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=13.104954,30.717773&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Holbrook,+Belper,+Derbyshire,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.989884,-1.456134&spn=0.00651,0.023174&t=h&z=16 the lane running almost East/West in the centre of the map is what I take to be Lee Lane.
Paul
Hi Paul. It's my belief that Lee Lane was actually a very small hamlet/area, rather than an actual 'lane'. I have a baptism (at St John's in Belper) of an ancestor whose parents were recorded as being from 'Lee Lane'. At the time this area near near Holbrook would have been in the Duffield Parish and, at the time of the baptism, baptisms had only just started at St John's chapel in Belper. If it had only been a 'lane' then I believe that the baptiam entry would have refered to either Holbrook or Coxbench as their place of living and the nearest villages. I could be mistaken, of course, but that has been my take on it for some years now.
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Hi Paul, me again.
I've now had chance to look more closely at your map and feel that I have to disagree in your placement of Lee Lane. In 1841 it's mentioned in the census of Holbrook so I believe it to be nearer to Holbrook village than you have it but I still need to verify this myself before being certain about it. But I am certain that you have it too far south on the map. I'll keep you informed if I find out anything else.
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Hi MobileNanny, thanks for your replies. It is possible that Lee Lane was in fact a hamlet and not an actual Lane. Although I have very recently found mention of a house in Lee Lane, Coxbench. In the 1851 census Lee Lane is sandwiched between entries for Day Park and Coxbench. Day Park being the farm to the west of my google maps link. I will do a bit more trawling through later censuses and see if I can find any more clues. :-\
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A new thought has occured to me having had looked at some census information. I'm wondering now whether Lee Lane was the previous name of Portway? More research is definately needed to get to the bottom of this.
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That's an interesting theory, MobileNanny. It could explain why Portway doesn't appear in the early census returns, but can be found on later maps.
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I too have been checking into where Lee Lane was because my ancestors lived there.
I have plotted a part of the 1841 enumerators route as follows:-
Lee Lane to Rose/Road? Cottage,
then to Day Park,
then to Coxbench Hall,
then to Lee Lane,
then to Holbrook and on to Moor side Holbrook, Overstone etc.
In other words, this is a small circular walk from high up Portway. Walkin down the hill, then taking a right hand turn via a cottage name which is difficult to read, towards Day Park, (which we know from maps, is in the Lee of the Hill behind). From there to Coxbench Hall, then back to Lee Lane and up again to Holbrook.
I have to conclude that Lee Lane was the Portway as the name Portway doesn't appear in the 1841 census.
Someone else on here has suggested this already. I am trying to add evidence to support.
Lee Lane could of course continue down, beyond Coxbench Hall towards the Fox and Hounds.
Hope someone can add their findings.
Cathy.