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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: JustinL on Thursday 22 October 09 09:25 BST (UK)
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I would appreciate some help tracing a couple of siblings, four of the nine children of Herman(n) Baruch from Prussian Poland. The family had arrived in Manchester in the late 1850s and were recorded in the 1861 census at 25 Verdon St, Red Bank, Manchester.
However, these children disappear thereafter:
Louis Baruch, b. c1850 Prussian Poland – no trace in or after 1871
Mary Baruch, b. c1852 Prussian Poland – no trace in or after 1871
Michael Baruch, b. c1856 Prussian Poland – no trace in or after 1881
Rebecca Baruch, b. c1858 Prussian Poland – no trace in or after 1871
Note: Prussian Poland is known as Germany from 1871 onwards.
By 1871, Herman had remarried and moved the family (surviving members?) down to Whitechapel.
I imagine that the youngsters died, but I have been unable to find any matching death records (or marriage for that matter). Hopefully, someone out there with better eyes than mine can find them.
Many thanks, Justin
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In view of location and age I feel this is a possible for the eldest and may give you a lead to other family members
21 Carter Street, Cheetham, Manchester
Abraham Sunderland Head M 50 Beadle - Synagogue Prussia, Margonin Posen?
Teresa Sunderland Wife M 49 " "
Paulina Levi Sunderland Daur Unm 21 " "
Dora Sunderland daur Unm 19 Machinist " "
Aaron Sunderland son unm 17 Pupil Teacher " "
Maurise Sunderland son 14 Apprentice Tailor " "
Nathan Sunderland son 1 Scholar Manchester
Rosa daur 5 Manchester
Jacob Levi Grandson 2 Manchester
Louis Bauch Nephew 21 Machinist Prussia, Margonin Posen?
RG10; Piece: 4061; Folio: 80; Page: 34
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1881
48 Lisle Street, St Anne Soho, London
Walter and Catherine Bowden and other lodgers
Louis Baruch Lodger Unm 28 Ticket Writer Dortmund Prussia
RG11; Piece: 131; Folio: 49; Page: 17
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Mary,
Thank you so much. The 1871 record does look like a very good match. I shall investigate further. Dortmund was never in Prussian Poland.
Justin
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I found some Barucks on Freebmd.org ~ not with the forenames you mentioned, but they might be connected, & lead you somewhere. :)
Also found these on FreeBMD:
Deaths
Dec 1892 Rebecca Baruch age 2 Whitechapel 1c173
Dec 1896 Rebecca Baruch age 5 Whitechapel 1c199
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My transcription of Dortmund Prussia was from the image - whether it was given incorrectly by Louis or the landlord, or written incorrectly by the enumerator is a decision for you to make as to whether you think this might be your man or not.
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Hello Justin
This could be Louis:
1881 Census
RG11 Piece:442 Folio:114 Page:18
7, Montague Place, Whitechapel
BARUCKS, Louis Head Married 25 Boot Finisher born Russian or Prussian (not clear which) Poland
BARUCKS, Leah Wife Married 27 Russian or Prussian Poland
BARUCKS, Rebecca Daughter Single 7 Scholar Whitechapel, Middlesex
BARUCKS, Esther Daughter Single 5 Scholar Whitechapel, Middlesex
BARUCKS, Augusta Daughter Single 2 Whitechapel, Middlesex
After 1881 Louis seems to have anglicized his surname because it certainly looks like the same family
1891 Census
RG12 Piece:280 Folio:137 Page:32
2, Orange Row, Whitechapel
BARNETT, Lewis Head Married 38 Boot Finisher born Poland
BARNETT, Leah Wife Married 38 born Poland
BARNETT, Rebecca Daughter Single 17 born Whitechapel, London
BARNETT, Esther Daughter 15 Tailoress born Mile End, London
BARNETT, Augusta Daughter 12 Scholar born Mile End, London
BARNETT, Emanuel Son 10 Scholar born Mile End, London
BARNETT, Golda Daughter 6 Scholar born Mile End, London
BARNETT, Morris Son 4 Scholar born Whitechapel, London
BARNETT, Rosy Daughter 2 born Whitechapel, London
1901 Census
RG13 Piece:326 Folio:108 Page:28
42, Myrdle Street, Mile End Old Town
BARNETT, Lewis Head Married 46 Boot Finisher born Russia
BARNETT, Leah Wife Married 46 born Russia
BARNETT, Rebecca Daughter Single 24 born Stepney, London
BARNETT, Esther Daughter Single 22 Tailoress born Stepney, London
BARNETT, Augusta Daughter Single 21 Tailoress born Stepney, London
BARNETT, Emanuel Son Single 19 Boot Finisher born Stepney, London
BARNETT, Golder Daughter Single 16 Tailoress born Stepney, London
BARNETT, Morris Son 14 Tailors Apprentice born Stepney, London
BARNETT, Betsy Daughter 11 born Stepney, London
BARNETT, Hyman Son 9 born Stepney London
BARNETT, Isaac Son 6 born Stepney, London
BARNETT, Annie Daughter 4 born Stepney, London
Ivan
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Had you see these alternative spellings in Whitechapel?
Baruk
Beruch
Barook
Bruch
Barrig
Bruk
And it's possible that any of the following could be either mistranscriptions or Anglicisations:
Barrick / Barwick
Brook / Brooke
Birch / Burch / Berg
Brough
Burke
Bruck / Brack / Brock / Brick
Berish / Berrish
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Thank you all.
Mary - pls don't feel that I was being critical in any way. Transcribing these foreign place names is an absolute minefield. Incidentally, there is somebody on jewishgen researching BAUCH, SUNDERLAND and LEVI from Margonin (c60 km north of Poznan). I have asked whether their BAUCH is in fact BARUCH. Here's hoping.
Tricia - thanks very much. Unfortunately, BARUCH was a fairly common surname in east London. Two of the siblings who did survive (Abraham and Simon) changed the surname to Barnett in the 1880s/90s.
Ivan - As you can see above, you're not wrong with the surname; a common change amongst Jewish families. However, the Louis/Lewis you found seems to have come from the Russian side of Poland, so I would tend to rule him out.
Justin
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Hi Justin
Regarding the second marriage between Herman and Hannah, do you have any of the later children's birth certs for a maiden name?
Working from the 1871 census, there's a possible birth for Isaac:
Mar Qtr 1868 St George in the East Vol 1c Page 433
Isaac BARUCH
KR
Gaie
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Gaie,
Thanks for your interest.
However, the person I'm helping has been able to track the other five children including Isaac. It's only the four above that have disappeared.
Justin
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Hello Justin,
I am the researcher looking for Louis Bauch/Baruch on jewishgen. I have sent two emails to your gmail.
I believe Louis Bauch is Louis Baruch - nephew of the Sunderlands.
Would you have the maiden name of Herman Baruch's first wife Jane?
Regards,
Thorby
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Hello Thorby,
Sorry that I had not responded to your emails. As it is well over a year since I have worked on this family, I had find my notes (that took long enough) and reacquaint myself with them.
The birth certificate of Morris Baruch, b. 1860 Manchester, identifies his parents as Hermann Baruch and Henrietta Baruch formerly Abraham.
From which of the siblings do you descend?
Justin
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Hello Jeremy,
I descend from Abraham Sunderland and his wife Taube Abraham via their son Nathan Sunderland.
Louis Baruch was identified as a nephew in the Sunderlands 1871 Census return, and I now understand where the connection is - via the Abraham.
Would you know who the parents of Taube and Henrietta are?
Regards,
Thorby
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Hello Thorby,
This is an amazing breakthrough. So both families originated from Margonin.
A quick search on the internet revealed that the Jewish population of Margonin sank from 492 to 352 between 1858 and 1861. That ties in very nicely with the first Manchester births (Verdon Street, Red Bank ?) in the Baruch and Sunderland families.
Based on the names they gave to their sons, I would speculate that Taube's and Henrietta's father was the Yiddish/Hebrew equivalent of Morris, i.e. Mosheh, and he died in about 1856.
Rgds,
Justin
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Hi Justin,
I can't help but wonder if any other members of the family also immigrated to the UK. Other family members who I contacted a number of years ago believe Sunderland is not the original surname, and they thought maybe it was originally Sonderland. I suspect it was neither and is something else - not yet known.
I found the following information on the http://poznan.jewish.org.pl website for Margonin. I used Google translator to translate from Polish to English.
In 1788, lived in Margonin 232 Jews in 1834, the 483rd Among them were family, Abraham, Baruch Cohen, Diamant, Levi, Manasseh, Schocken, Simon and Spiro.
Since the mid-nineteenth century, the drop of the Jewish population. In 1910 in Margonin lives only 42 Jews. In 1920, 16 Jewish families choose German citizenship and leave the Margonin. Are only two families Lewin and Baruch, at the end of 1935, Abraham will leave Margonin. The last burial in the cemetery took place 6 February 1935 and was buried 55 years old when Bertha Baruch.
Regards
Thorby
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Hello Thorby,
That's another great find. However, I may have just out-trumped you.
According to the German website of the Institut Deutsche Adelsforschung (http://home.foni.net/~herumstreifer/z1859-03.htm), a Herrmann Baruch and Abraham Sonderling, both of Margonin, were being actively sought by the police in the German Confederation in March 1859. In fact, 'wanted posters' (Steckbriefe) had been produced.
To find out anymore would cost €9.90 per surname or place; and even then, the IDA can only report where the documentary evidence is held. One would then have to contact archives or libraries to get any further.
Sonderling (meaning an eccentric person) is not very far removed from Sunderland. I think this man is your ancestor.
All the best, Justin
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Hello Justin,
It seems you did indeed out trump me. And I am very happy you did. Thank you for that tidbit.
Sonderling, Abraham, from Margonin, request for warrant of apprehension from the Kingdom of Prussia in the 19.Jahrhundert, HAY, class XLI. (1859), page 88
Baruch, Herrmann, from Margonin, request for warrant of apprehension from the Kingdom of Prussia in the 19.Jahrhundert, HAY, class XLI. (1859), page 88
All I think I have to order them separately from this website www.adelsquellen.de The translation from German to English has not done the website justice and how to order is a bit confusing for me.
I was wondering - did you find Rebecca Baruch/Barnett in the 1881 UK Census?
Regards,
Thorby
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Hello Thorby,
Having lived in Germany for nine years, the language is not a problem for me.
Did you obtain those more detailed citations from the German website I had cited, i.e. did you receive an email in German? If so, forward it to me and I shall read the details.
The page that you link to above should provide an explanation of the source HAY, class XLI. However, HAY is not shown on the list.
All the other links take one to another page which states the exact source of the information and provides an address where the information is held. In addition, a standard letter is provided into which one has to merely insert the source and one's name and address.
The IDA goes to great pains to point out that you will most likely have to pay additional fees to obtain the information requested. However, in my experience, German archivists often seem prepared to provide information about Jewish ancestry for free.
Rebecca Baruch cannot even be found in the 1871 census, by which time the family had moved down to Whitechapel. The elder sister, Mary, who would have been 19, is also missing. I suspect that they may have died. Conditions in Red Bank would not have been the most sanitary.
Cheers, Justin
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Hello Justin,
Should I send the email to your gmail account?
I have found Rebecca's marriage in 1882, and one of the witnesses looks like Mariam? Barnett. I will also send you a copy of this.
I also think I may have found her in the 1881 census - though a couple of years younger with a cousin - Moses Abrahams. I can also send you a copy of this
Regards,
Thorby
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Please do send them to my gmail address.
Thanks,
Justin
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Not sure if anyone is still researching the children of Herman Baruch. If so I have information on all of them (those born in Margonin, plus those born in Manchester and those born in London).
I only have limited information on Louis Baruch and Isaac Baruch. There is no information on Louis after his entry in the 1971 census at his uncle Abraham Sonderling's home in Manchester, and Isaac can't be found after leaving herman Baruch's household. Both names do appear later in some fBaruch amily trees but they are not the same people