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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Cully on Tuesday 08 March 05 21:09 GMT (UK)
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Anyone have link or access to Bastardy files for Aberdeenshire ?
Looking for the father of Thomas Ainslie son of Mary Ainslie born
26.08.1880 in Aberdeen, Dundee or St. Andrew Fife ??
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Hi Cully,
I bought the certificate of Thomas Ainslie's birth. sadly it doesn't have the perternity claim on the side. so can't give a volumn no, to look in. :'(
It said born 26/8/1880 at 3pm, at Denhead? mother Mary, Domestic servant. in United District of St Andrews and St Leonards, Fife.
Maybe his Marriage, would say,
kenjo
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Can I ask - what are bastardy files?
Just curious
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They were files kept with parish records as I understand which basically named and shamed suspected fathers.
Even though they weren,t named on the birth certificate.
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Thank you for explaining - I'll have to look into this further as there are a couple of illegitimate children I would like to know more about.
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Hi
I also have an interest in this area.
If any one comes across a CHRISTIAN JOHNSTON born around 1863 in the area of Longside, Cruden. Mother I think was LIZZIE ANGUS and father a GEORGE JOHNSTON.
I have been unable to find any marriage and I have been told that Christian was reared by another family.
Can anyone help at all, please?
Thanking you
Lyn
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hi Lynj,
I have your girl. ;)
Christian Angus, Illegitimate, born 9 Oct 1862. at Rosa, or Rora.
Longside, Ab mother Elisa Angus, house servant.
informant was her Aunt. [I presume they mean Christians Aunt.]
In the 1881 Census
living at Cuttyhill. Longside.
Christian Angus unmarried 44yrs, Head, born Longside.
Dressmaker.
Christian Johnston unmarried 18 yrs, Niece, vorn Longside, general servant.
kenjo :)
Contact me by personal message if you want certificates.
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Wow Kenjo
You are a treasure. Thanking you very much. Will contact you re certificates.
Thanking you heaps
Lyn
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Also Lynj,
The death of Christian Angus, aged 66 yrs, died 5/3/1903 Dressmaker. single living at Rora, Longside. father George Angus Crofter deceased. mother Christian Buchan. deceased. informant Hellen S........ Niece.
I can find no Marriage of George Angus and Christian Buchan, but their children were,
Mary Angus 10/6/1827 Longside.died 22/2/1891
Elizabeth " 10/6/1827 "
Andrew " 20/12/1828 "
George " 20/2/1832 "
Christian " 26/8/1836 " died 5/3/1903
THIS IS THE DEATH OF
Christian Angus at Rora, Longside, married to George Angus Crofter. she died 3/1/1866 aged 65.
Father Andrew Buchan
Mother Elizabeth Robertson
informant Andrew Angus son
THIS IS THE FAMILY IN THE 1841 CENSUS.
Piece: SCT1841/218 Place: Longside-Aberdeenshire Longside Address: Rora
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ANGUS George M 40 Farmer Aberdeenshire
ANGUS Christian F 40 Aberdeenshire
ANGUS Mary F 14 Aberdeenshire
ANGUS George M 9 Aberdeenshire
ANGUS Christian F 5 Aberdeenshire
THIS IS THE GRANDPARENTS WITH YOUR ELISABETH WITH THEM
Longside-Aberdeenshire Parish: Longside : : Eartly
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BUCHAN Andw M 60 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
BUCHAN Eliza F 65 Aberdeenshire
ANGUS Eliza F 14 Female Servant Aberdeenshire
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Does anyone have anything on Elisabeth Elles (sometimes Elizabeth Ellis) - she had an illegitimate child, William Jaffray (sometimes Jeffery etc) in 1846 in Boddam. We have them in the 1851, 1871, I think the 1881 and the 1891 census.
We have tried without success to find out more about William's father. I believe the father was John Jaffray and that they owned "the big house", and the family might have moved away soon after that.
Any bastardy report - the child was given his name - or any other info would be most appreciated.
Thanks, Marion
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Can anyone tell me where/how I would search Bastardy Files?? Thanks
Barb
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Hi,
I'd never heard of the bastardy files until this topic. I asked someone at the Aberdeen and Northeast Scotland Family History Society and was told this was an English file it wasn't done in Scotland, but someone might know differently.
Grothenwell
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I have heard also that there are Bastardy files for Scotland. I am also looking for the Abendeershire area. Thanks for your reply!!
Barb
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Hi
I was told there are no such records called Bastardy Files among Scottish records.
Records of fornication between a couple, leading to the birth of an illegitimate child, are to be found in the minutes of the kirk session records of the Church of Scotland - and Free/Secession churches, if there were any in the parish.
Naturally, there is a gap in the minutes of the kirk session records for the area and dates I wanted!!!
However, I went into the National Archives of Scotland and searched under "bast*rdy" and a whole lot of references came up.
I have the site address for NAS if you are interested.
Ysabeau
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Thanks so much for your reply....I would appreciated the site address for NAS. Will let you know if I am sucessful!!
Barb
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I would also like the Site address for NAS please.
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Ysabeau,
Might have another NAS site for the files, but I have this NAS one which might help:
http://www.dswebhosting.info/nas/
Good hunting,
Grothenwell
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Does anyone have anything on Elisabeth Elles (sometimes Elizabeth Ellis) - she had an illegitimate child, William Jaffray (sometimes Jeffery etc) in 1846 in Boddam. We have them in the 1851, 1871, I think the 1881 and the 1891 census.
We have tried without success to find out more about William's father. I believe the father was John Jaffray and that they owned "the big house", and the family might have moved away soon after that.
Any bastardy report - the child was given his name - or any other info would be most appreciated.
Thanks, Marion
Marionfm, can't help you but I have lots of Jaffreys in my family from around that time that might be of help.....
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Hi All,
i found this, from a posting in Aberdeen............I think rootsweb.....
regarding Kirk sessions.
very interesting...............
Subject: Re: Kirk Session Records for Old Deer
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:52:07 +0100
Joan
It's extremely unlikely that the Old Deer Kirk Session records are on
the OPR film. The case of Rathen is a considerable oddity. Like all
the other K.S. records, they should be at the National Archives of
Scotland. Instead, it appears that they are next door, at the General
Register Office, and so got added to the OPR film.
I have heard rumours of other such anomalies, so would be interested to
hear from anyone who knows the whereabouts of any other Kirk Session
records which appear on the OPR films.
If the Old Deer records have survived, they will almost certainly be
with the National Archives in Edinburgh. I can't tell where you're
based, but if Edinburgh is too far away, it should be possible to get a
researcher to do the lookup for you. But be warned - the K.S. records
may well record an illegitimate pregnancy or birth, and it is quite
likely that the supposed father will be named, but the sex or name of
the child will almost certainly not be given.
Gavin Bell
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Hi Marion
Just browsing through the surnames on my list and saw your message about Elizabeth Ellis
I am gr grandchild of William Jaffray and Mary Ann Hay their daughter Isabella was my grandmother