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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: yolandar on Tuesday 20 October 09 23:27 BST (UK)
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Howdy,
I am trying to locate some information on my great grandparents that emmigrated from Russia (via Harbin China) and moved to north Queensland. As I've previously been researching my UK ancestry - this Russian part has gotten me just a little stuck and I don't know where to start - and I was hoping that someone might be able to suggest a few ideas on where to look next. There a few hiccups along the way - so please bear with me.
My gt grandfather was known to us as Simon (Samuel) Sologinkin. According to his naturalization papers, he was born in Aganty, Russia in 1885. The papers also state that he travelled with his wife and a number of children and arrived into Brisbane on the 3rd July 1913 - travelling on the St Albans. I have accessed the passenger list off an.....ty for the St Albans that landed in July 1913 - however it says the boat trevelled from Kobe - and had mostly Chinese immigrants on it. My problem is that Sologinkin isn't a Russian name so his real name has obviously been anglised - with him not being able to read or write English, he wouldn't have been able to correct how his name was written onto paper. Would the papers of the day have listed the ships that arrived into port and where they were coming from? I'm hoping to somehow find his real name and then trace him back to Russia. Can anyone help with any ideas on where to look / what to do?
Fingers crossed....
Yolanda
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the newspaper reports on:
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
seem to indicate that the "St Albans", was carrying Russian passengers bound for QLD and Melbourne etc but they don't appear to be named, there was about 36 or 37 depending on the reports.
The "St Albans" seemed to be travelling from Darwin to Brisbane around the top end.
Leanne
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Hi Leanne - i just noticed that as well... I got all excited then read the bottom of the notice where it lists ....'and 48 Russians bound for Queensland'... oh the frustration
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Yolanda,
Do you have your g grandfather's Qld death certificate? This should (may) give his parent's names.
If he had any children born in Qld have you checked their birth certificates to see what the surname is written as. The name will have been anglicized so it will be difficult to "convert" back to a Russian surname. On arrival it's likely that he just said his name and it was written as it sounded. Did he call himself Sologinkin after he'd been in Qld for a while? I have a good Russian surname list however the link appears to be broken at the moment. I will check again later. A google search reveals loads of Sologinkins - are they all yours? ;)
I believe that even if you do speak Russian, research there, specially from Australia is difficult if not impossible. There are people who will do this for you for a price. Not sure I'd trust them myself. ;) Apparently it can help if your ancestor was a member of an association or had a profession which may have kept records, a member of royalty. :-\
The good news is that there IS a place called Aganty in Russia which I'm sure you've located on a map - fabulously isolated! ;D
I'm not sure if it will help but next time I'm at the Qld State Archives, I can try to find some more information about their arrival in Qld. A more detailed passenger list perhaps? :-\
It might be worth asking older family members if they know of any family stories which might help trace the family.
I'm afraid that you might be fighting a losing battle though .... :-\
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hi yolanda
i'm a great grandchild of simon sologinkin as well - Julia is my grandmother. i don't have any extra info on him but i've attached a newspaper article on this family with a photo of him, his wife and their kids if you don't have it already. there is some info on there you may find useful?
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Hi Julia,
I am another relation as your mum Vicky is my first cousin as my mum is Aunty Annie. Here is some information about your granmothers parents that you can pass onto Yolanda. Grandma Sologinkin was actually from Tomsk not Omsk, which was near Budka's village(which saddly isn't there anymore). There towns were situated in the Ural Mountians area in Siberia, and that grandma Sologinkin was also half Mongolian. So if you could pass this on it will be great.
Cheers Sherryl
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Hi Sherryl, I'm not Julia - Vicky is my Aunt. Do you happen to know the un-anglicized version of Sologinkin?
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Well Uncle Alec when he was alive always said that it was prononced by is father as Solodyankin, I did a google search of Russian/Siberian names and the name Sologinkin does not appear any where, so it isn't a Russian name, but the other name appears which sounds very similar...and I found quite a few people with this surname .... so I am going to contact them and attach a picture of Budka....so you never know we might come into some luck as these could be relations of some sort.
Cheers
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if you google it, there seems to be quite a few "solodyankin" however someone mentioned to me once ( if i remember correctly ) that the name was anglicized from something that ended in what sounded like ski or skiy. Like solodyanskiy ?? there is nothing on the web i can find with that spelling though. have you heard of anyone referring to the "ski" sounding ending?
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Hello ( I must get your first name)
I have asked my mum amd my auntie in Mackay and they said it has always ended with kin and granddad always said that it ended with kin. They knew people whose surname ended with ski or skiy(but no relation to us). I have messaged two of the solodyankin's that are listed hoping that they may be of some help in our endevours. So wish me luck.
Regards
Sherryl :D
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Sorry, it's Chloe. Julia is my grandmother. My family live in Mackay but i'm on the other side of the country.
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Hello
Have you checked out record search at the National Archives site
http://www.naa.gov.au/index.aspx
at least 6 entires including Samuel b 1885 his naturalization which you have plus some war service records for someone with the same surname,
If you live in QLD then the state library may be able to help (they are not in the online index)
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp
If you cannot find the required name here there are a number of other records to check in the Public Search Room including: Card Index to Immigrants; Indexes to Nominated Immigrants and their Nominators 1908-1922; Card Index to Land Orders; and the Card Index to Ships.
See also Brief Guide to Immigration Records, and Pathways Guide to Immigration.
good luck
Robyn
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Wow, small world. Hi to all. I too am related to the Sologinkin clan. Mum was a Sologinkin, Julia, who passed away when I was 7. She was one of 17 children borne to Simon and Aprisina (spelling may be incorrect). Chloe is my daughter, hi Chloe. I have very limited knowlege on my ancestry so I'm intrigued to read these blogs and hope to gain some info re my heritage.
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My name is Alex , Youngest Son of Sarah [Thora]. In regards to the history of Simon Sologinkin . I spent many hours talking to him in his latter years. He often told me of his conscript army days . He was in the tsars army ,he was assigned to keep law and order in China[Manchurian]. In those days russia ruled a lot of china. He was classed as a white russian. I understand that they left russia because [ being a white russian] when the communism purges started [tsar murdered] he feared for his and the families welfare.
I would like to know the full story of their journey from west russia to Valdivostok. My mother was born enroute in Harbin ,china where today they hold the icesculpture festival.
Simon was a great hunter and often told me of the bears he used to hunt. I would think that they lived off the land on their journey.
I hope this is helpful to the interesed family. It would make a terrific movie.