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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: Lyndairish on Friday 16 October 09 23:15 BST (UK)
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Hi ,
I am hoping someone will know something about my Great Grandfather James O'Neill b 1851 in England , he was a carriage maker in Whitechurch,Co Wexford (where they also lived) and had up to 15 people working for him. His wife 's name is Sarah ? b 1848. Their daughter Katherine "Katie" was my grandmother. She went to live in Waterford after she married. No one in my family has any info on them, I have found them in the 1911 census, have no idea where they married or are buried.
Lynda
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hello lynda,welcome to rootschat, found some births on familysearch.org they may be your family.
MARY 1-2-1873. ELLEN KATE 6-5-1874. MARGARET 13-2-1876. THOMAS 7-5-1877.
all born white church, wexford.
parents. JAMES ONEILL/NEILL & SARAH POWER.
sarah was born kilkenny (according to the census) perhaps thats where they married.
regards mary.
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Hi Mary,
Thank you that sounds very promising and I will try and follow that up. Its just so frustrating trying to find information when you do not live in the country.
Thank you so much.
Lynda
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have you any idea where in england james was born or who his parents were.
regards mary.
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Hi Mary,
I have no idea at all, until I started researching a while ago and mainly thanks to the 1911 census, that gave me the names of both. I had no idea who my Great grandparents were at all, on both sides of my fathers family. Very closed mouthed people I guess, then again a lot of that generation can not understand why we need to know at all. Looking for a James O'Neill in England will be next to impossible without any area or parents to focus on.
Cheers Lynda
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Hi Lynda,
do you know about Irish BMD records on Family Search?
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
If the couple Mary found are yours - there is a marriage that you can send for the details.
Waterford/Kilkenny 1871 Vol 4 pg 1103 Sarah Power matches with a James O'Neill. You could send for this certificate to http://www.groireland.ie/
A birth certificate for a child would give you the mother's surname.
best wishes
heywood
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Hi Haywood,
Thanks for the info. I am not sure if these name fit with what I found in the 1911 census. They may be a little too early, its hard to tell and I know there may be other siblings that had already left home at that point. Sending for a birth cert is a great idea, I should have thought of that.
Cheers Lynda
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Hi,
I agree but the marriage date fits with the information from IGI that Mary provided.
If there weren't any older children than in 1911 census then it's probably wrong.
I have just seen them in 1901 census index - only part of Wexford census has been transcribed on this site and luckily Whitechurch has been ;D
Patrick is the oldest child at 21 yrs on that so perhaps then the marriage for James and Sarah is wrong.
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/census.shtml
It is only an index so there is no other information. One thing though, is that I have in the past seen a birthplace transcribed in that census if it wasn't in the county or country. However that may have depended on the transcriber. :-[
good luck
heywood
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Hello Haywood,
I went to the 1901 site however my Irish luck has forsaken me I could not get a match for anything I tried. I am very new to computers and may have missed a step ? Have you had any luck sending for birth certs without the full birth date? I agree that this would be next step to find info on both sides of my fathers family.
Regards Lynda
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Hi Lynda,
not sure if you couldn't access that 1901 info- not much anyway but this is how you can do it:
1) open that reference
2) scroll to the yellow and green boxes
3) Drop down box for County- Wexford
4) Head of household Surname- O' Neill
5) Head of household Given name - James
you don't need to fill all boxes - click submit
Only four options and yours is one of them.
I have sent for certificates- they can send you a photocopy of the entry rather than certificate- it is cheaper and you have the actual entry rather than someone copying (prevents spelling errors etc)
I have done it without some of the info- you have quite a lot though:
names of parents
occupation of father
place
approximate year - I think they search 2 yrs either side.
I would go for it. Sometimes I have written it as a letter with the info set out like that rather than leave gaps on the form but just see what is best. ;)
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Hi Haywood,
Thank you I was inputting way to much info, I was unable to find my other grand parents so I'll have to give it some time tomorrow. That a good idea to attach a letter with all the info. My family are calling out for food now so I'd better go and feed them. This is so addictive and I spend way too much time on line, for someone who never used a computer very much up to 6 months ago.
Many thanks,
Lynda
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Good luck with it all - just to say that sadly not all of Wexford has been transcribed for 1901 -
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/
shows you which civil parishes have been done - Whitechurch was only partly done but luckily your family are there.
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Hi Everyone, I have sent for photocopies of their birth certs, I hope they are quick any ideas on how long they can take?
Cheers Lynda
PS I was told by the office in Roscommon, that the copies would be ready for mailing after 7 days. That's not bad .
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Hi All,
Received the copy of Kate's birth cert., today and found that the surname is written as Neill not O'Neill ? and her mothers maiden name is Power and the 1911 census said she was from Co. Kilkenny . James was a cooper in 1883.
Regards Lynda
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Hello Lynda,
that's good news - a bit more information for your research ;)
The certificate confirms the info already here that Mary found in IGI and the marriage which I refer to in Irish BMDs.
You could now send for that certificate and get a bit more info re James and Sarah Power.
good luck
heywood
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Hi Heywood, Thank you that's a good idea, I heard second hand today that they may have been first cousins! this brings up the question which of the parents were siblings. It never ends, its like reading a really good mystery. Let you know what turns up next.
Cheers Lynda
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Hi Lynda,
You could try the Roman Catholic church, Ballykelly,New Ross, Co. Wexford.
or also the Church of Ireland Church in White church. Either Churches would hold burial registers and would be able to tell you quickly enough where your ancestors were buried. For Church of Ireland contact Rev. L. Rogers, The Rectory College Road, New Ross, Co. Wexford.
Hope this helps.
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Forget to mention they may also have your ancestors in their Baptism & Marriage registers too. Its worth looking into any way.
Kind regards,
Summerhill.
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Hi Summerhill,
Thank you for the information, I had wondered what the local church might have been. I sent a email today to the RC church in Ballykelly, so keep your fingers crossed.
Regards Lynda
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Hi Lynda,
I stumbled on your query re the O'Neills. My father is James O'Neill, his father was also James O'Neill (he was a carriage builder) married to Kathleen and they lived in Whitechurch, Wexford. I'm wondering if perhaps your grandmother was my grandfather's sister? I do not have any direct contact with my father as the family split some time ago but my sister is still in contact and I've asked her a couple of things!
What do you think? Surely the locations,names and carreers are not coincidental!
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Hi Jerry 16,
So good to hear from you, I had just about given up on anyone in the family being interested in our history. It sure sounds like the same family, like you I do not have much contact with my father or his family so info is limited, and I also live in Canada so on the spot research is difficult. I have found the marriage cert number for James O"Neill b 1851 and Sarah Power b 1948, married 1871 ( with help). I have no info on the rest of the family other then the 1911 census, so this is great. From stories I heard when I was growing up I know that Sarah O'Neill b 1889 married a Boland ( garage family) from New Ross but nothing more. I have tried emailing the church in Ballykelly with out luck. My grandmother Kate ended up living in Waterford, Married to a Michael Walsh, I have heard romours that they may have been cousins but nothing concrete yet.
I am on ancestry if your are interested, and would love to share what I have and hopefully fill lots gaps with your info.
Regards,
Lynda Walsh Washbrook
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Hi Lynda!
Good to hear from you!
I heard from my sister that my father(James O'Neill Born 1925)has said his grandfather (James O'Neill)was born in Liverpool, UK. His parents James and Kathleen lived in Whitechurch until the late 1970's when they left to go to Donegal. They had 13 children. I will see what other info I can find. When you say 'Ancestry' where do you mean? I'm new to this!
Angela O'Neill
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Hi Angela,
Good to hear from you, I have a James O'Neill B 1894, this would be your grandfather I have no other info on him. I use Ancestry.ca ( the Canadian version) there is a UK one and a US. The subscription I have covers the whole globe as my husbands family come from all over the place. Its a wonderful site and helps you find info, how ever Ireland is the exception since so much was destroyed. The Mormons have a lot of info on their site or at their Family history centers, there are centers in Dublin and Cork.
I will add your grandmother Kathleen to the tree, do you think you could find any dates for her? I will try and see if my daughter Sarah can down load a copy of what I have so far to send to you. My email is (*) it will be easier to use that address for the future.
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Where do you live now? I left Waterford back in the mid seventies, and now live on Vancouver Island in Canada, my sisters are still in Waterford as do my parents. I remember going to Whitechurch when I was very young, so I may have met your grandparents! My fathers family were never a close family which is sad as I know we have lots of relatives in Waterford, Kilkenny and Wexford not to mention the UK. Most of these we will never make connections with.
Take care and keep digging for info,
Your cousin Lynda
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Hi Lynda and Angela
I am also researching O' Neills of Whitechurch. They would be from my wife's family.
Her great grandfather is Patrick O' Neill, son of James O' Neill and Sarah Power. Patrick O' Neill was married to Bridget Caulfield (one of 3 wives apparently). His son Edward married Anastatia Kelly - both Wexford - and later moved to Waterford. Tree available on Ancestry UK
Regards
Noel
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Good Morning Lynda & Noel!
More info...apparently Great Grandfather James was born in Dukes street, Liverpool. He married and had three sons we know of-James (our Grandfather)Tom & Patrick. He also had a daughter whose name we don't know other than when she married, she became Mrs Bolan.
My Grandmother, Kathleen's maiden name was Murphy-no dates available unfortunately!
Need to start work now so will try and contact you later-emails are barred so I will try the 'PM' they speak of. Oh, I live in Poole, Dorset-never married hence still retaining my O'Neill surname but am living with my partner Martin. I'm 47, have one brother(whom I dont' see)one and sister who keeps in contact via phone/texts....bye for now!
Angela
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Lynda and Angela
James O'Neill and Sarah Power marriage details: date - 16 Feb 1871. Parish - Kilmackvogue, Co. Kilkenny.
James O'Neill of Whitechurch, full age, occupation - Cooper. Father - James O'Neill - Shopkeeper.
Sarah Power of Kerncybay, full age, occupation - Seamstress. Father - Thomas Power - Coalbroker.
Witnesses - Philip Kelly and Ellen Aylmer.
Kilmakevoge is near Glenmore, Co. Kilkenny between Waterford and New Ross. Kerncybay is probably Kearneybay, to the east of Glenmore along the river Barrow.
Noel
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Hi Lynda,
My name is maureen o'neill. I am from Waterford City. My great grandfather is James O'Neill of Whitechurch, Ballykelly, New ross, Wexford.
Noel is my neices husband. Like yourself I have researched the 1911 census. There are cousins of the O'Neill line still living in Whitechurch. His mother is Bridie O'Neill(deceased). She is my fathers sister. The O'Neill line that I am connected is through Thomas O'Neill, my Grandfather, he married Anastatia Ryan. His Father and Mother were james O'Neill and Sarah Power. With reference to a previous post by you, I am interested to know who were the O'Neills who married who were supposedly first cousins? In your post to Noel you mentioned that you are from Waterford and have family living in Waterford. Where in Waterford are you from?
I see by a previous post by you that you are interested in knowing who Sarah O'Neill(sister to your Grandmother Katie o'Neill) married. I am not sure of his first name. I think it may be Andy. His surname is Quinn. They married and lived in Waterford.
Our great Grand parents are buried in a grave yard next to Kilmokee Gardens not far from Whitechurch. I am unsure of the exact name of the grave yard.
I hope you find this information useful.
Regards
Maureen
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you should look up the website horeswood national school. they have a great website with old photos of whitechurch and the surrounding area. the man who designed this also has a book about all the old schools in the surrounding areas which has great photos. I used to live in Whitechurch
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Hi Aoifec,
Thank you for the info, you are correct it is a great site. I was hoping that I would find a relative but no such luck. I remember visiting Whitechurch when I was very young. I will certainly be back for a visit on my next trip to Ireland.
Many thanks,
Lynda
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Hi,
My name is Davida McGuinness, Patrick O'Neill & Bridget Caulfield was my grandmothers( Pauline O'Neill's) parents. Myself and my cousin Joan Devereux are actively seeking information as a lot of history has died with the passing of these family members. We would love if we have any more info that can be shared or swapped.
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Hi Davida
Patrick b. 1882 was the son of James O'Neill and Sarah Power. Married Bridget Caulfield 1910 in Waterford. He had 11 siblings, six of whom died young. Of the remaining five, Thomas married Anastatia Ryan, from which my wife's family descends. Katie married Michael Walsh. Sarah married Andrew Boland 1917 and James married Kathleen Murphy and died 1978. Margaret married Thomas Quinn and died Waterford 1947.
All had large families. Can p.m details once you have submitted three posts.
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Hi Noel,
Thanks for that information. Lynda suggested I place the birth/marriage, death dates on her Family Tree on Ancestry, we are still trying to find those.
Myself and another cousin (Great granddaughters of Patrick & Bridget) Are planning an overnight to Waterford in the next couple of weeks, hopefully to find more information. It's nice knowing you all exist 8)
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Noel,
Would be great if you could PM me more information. Also did Patrick have a son James? I know he had two daughters Pauline and Josie, but a James is only recently what I have been told?
Thanks again
Davida
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HI Lynda, my name is Yvonne ( O Neill maiden name), my great grandfather Patrick was your grandfathers brother.
Patrick left Whitechurch and settled in Waterford, according to my father (James Leonard) he worked on a local estate - Waterford Castle as a coachman, there are many cousins still living in the Waterford city area .
My father has been recently contacted by a relative in dublin, who is coming to see Dad on Saturday and hopefully we may be able to figure out some of the gaps.
As children I can remember Dad talking about some of the family who went to Canada /Usa, so I take it your on this side somewhere- I have only taken an interest very recently in the history - so it may take some time to figure out who's who. Bear with us, hopefully the weekend will be interesting.
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Hello Davida , my name is Yvonne, I am a granddaughter of James O Neill - Patricks son.
I hear you are coming to Waterford on Saturday to meet with my dad, hopefully I will get to meet you then, this whole thing has sparked my curiosity - have been showing Dad the 1901/1911 census returns trying to make sense of it all.
Looking forward to seeing what you have un-earthed - should be interesting.
Yvonne
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Hi Yvonne,
Oh this is great..If you would like my mobile you can email me (*).
Joan another cousin will be coming with me. We are delighted that we have found so much background, and I know what you mean re the curiosity :)
We are staying overnight in Waterford and expect to be in Waterford by 2 pm, hopefully pop into see Leonard then, who is your Dad ?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Davida x
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Additional news regarding the children of James and Sarah O Neill - apparently there were 12 children in total of whom only 6 survived - apparently there was a bad fire either at the forge or the house -( not know) and as the story goes, some of the children - must be the elder children died - but have found nothing concrete to back this up and not sure if all died or just some!!.
James and Sarah are both buried in Priesthaggard graveyard near Kilmokea House not far from Whitechurch.
On the 1901 census returns - as well as James(jr) and Sarah - also listed on the return is James Snr O Neill and his wife Catherine - he is listed as a gardener and born in Co Wexford.
Did they leave Ireland to go to Liverpool , where James Jr ( 1851) was born and then return to Whitechurch - the mystery deepens.
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I'm hoping you're the same LyndaIrish that's on Ancestry. If not, please let me know & if you are then I'd like to hear from you even more.
Ancestry is very limiting to contact other members without being a paid member and a LindaIrish saved a copy of info for MaryAnn Shoebottom. If you're researching that line, I'd be quite interested in comparing/sharing info as there's a lot of Shoebottom/Shoebotham's in my Guest line.
Best bet is to contact me off board at *
Hope to hear from you soon,
Mike Guest
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Hi Maureen, i wondered if it was OK to post you as I'm a great granddaughter of James& Sarah O'Neill of Whitechurch.My grandfather was their youngest child James( born 1894).I have been looking into family tree and have recently messaged Lindairish, who mentioned that you had information about the fire and that there were 12 children. I visited Whitechurch with my father last May and met up with John Boland and later in August Jim Boland.Any information you could share would be much appreciated ( and vice versa)
Regards
Joanie Barber(O'Neill)