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Title: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 16 October 09 08:54 BST (UK)
Hi there so far I have Margaret PURCELL born 17 August 1860 and her brother Patrick Joseph PURCELL born 5 October 1865.

Their parents are Patrick PURCELL and Cecilia WOOD

On Patrick’s birth image it has a Jane aged 3 and John deceased
I wonder if their births are under WOOD

I now have a record of Cecilia Wood arriving in Australia
Cecilia WOOD arrived aged 19 as an unassisted immigrant in 1857 on ship Roxburgh Castle
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=42

Both Margaret and Patrick died in New Zealand so I do not need help there as i have that info.

I am trying to work out what happened to Patrick PURCELL senior and Cecilia WOOD. I am not sure if they married or not. If they did not marry it just might have been one of those things they put on the registration for at the birth of both children

Not sure where to go next

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Friday 16 October 09 09:08 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe,

do you have a year or thereabouts to indicate when Patrick Purcell born 1865 went to NZ (and umm perhaps with whom)...

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 16 October 09 09:13 BST (UK)
about 1902/03 with his wife Miriam COLEMAN they married 1891 NSW
Have cert but his parents names are not on it

Soon after they arrived he changed his name to Joseph Henry SMITH and died 1941.  If he did not change his name I would not be a SMITH

This is from a newspaper in NZ but do not have the name of it

Photocopy of Newspaper Clipping dated ? 8, 1923

VALEDICTORY
MR. AND MRS J.H. SMITH
In the persons of Mr. and Mrs. J.H. Smith, who are leaving to settle in Hikurangi, Awanui is losing citizens of twenty years standing. In February 1903 Mr. Smith arrived in Awanui with his wife and three children, coming here from Tasmania. At the time of their arrival the Kaitaia Butter Factory had not long been in existence.Mr.Smith was one of the first to start in the poultry business in the district, but after some years he was compelled to give up, the low prices of poultry and eggs rendering the business unremunerative.During his long residence in the district Mr. Smith has taken his fair share in local matters. He was a member of the Awanui School Committee, and was connected with various Agricultural Societies, etc, in the district. In this latter connection he was an exhibitor of poultry, flowers and vegetables, and has also judged for years in the same classes.In sport also Mr. Smith has taken an interest, and was a member of the Waipapkauri Racing Club.When the Court of Pride of Awanui, A.F.O., was opened Mr. Smith was one of the first to join, and went through all the Chairs, being twice C.R. Latterly he was Treasurer. As a foreman under the P.W.D. our departing friend was in charge of the Dalmatians on the river works, and also a ranger .With 13 years service inthe North Auckland Mounted Rifles as a Sergt, Mr Smith was one of the first to volunteer for service with that unit in the Great War, although he had to wait almost two years before he could away, he had spent 18 month's service at the front. Mrs. Smith will be missed in the district where for thirteen years she has given her services as a maternity nurse. No weather was too bad, no distance too great when her services were required. All in all Mr. and Mrs. Smith have been useful and respected citizens in the community, who can ill be spared. We wish them every success in their new home.

Photocopy of Newspaper clipping

FAREWELL SOCIAL AND DANCE
A farewell to Mr. and Mrs. Smith, taking the form of a social and dance, was held in Even's Hall, Awanui. This was tendered by the public of the district and the local Forester's Lodge. There was a large attendance, and the affair went with a swing from start to finish. Dancing was indulged in with vim, and a nice supper was handed around .During the evening Mr. E.C. Matthews made a presentation to Mr. Smith of a solid leather suit case and a pair of military hair brushes in a case, and to Mrs. Smith a handsome E.P. tea set, the latter being from the ladies of the district. In making the presentation Mr. Matthews spoke in very eulogistic terms of Mr. and Mrs. Smith, and described them as people whose departure would be a loss to the district. He wished them success in their new sphere. Mr. Geo. Cosson followed in similar terms, and spoke of Mr. Smith's connection with thr Forester's Lodge in Awanui. He touched also on Mrs. Smith's valuable service in the district .Mr. Smith responed for Mrs. Smith and himself in feeling terms. They regretted leaving the district where twenty years of their lives had been spent, but decided that a change would be a change would be advisable.

Newbe

Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 16 October 09 09:18 BST (UK)
Here you go with one of the births, Newbe.....

John WOOD, mother Cecilia WOOD, born in 1863 at LANC
Ref = 3277


Dee  :)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Friday 16 October 09 09:21 BST (UK)
Ta Newbe,

Possible sighting of Patrick PURCELL arriving in Sydney NSW in 1854.... aged 23, Ag Labourer, of Ireland.... Johns Well, Ct Kilkenny....  More genie info on this incoming list  ;)

He was coming to his Sydney based brother, John at Surry Hills... 

He was R C, could read (ie not write) he paid one pound under the Assisted Immigration Act...

More  ::)  oh, OK you want to know his parents  ???  oh, they were still living too, and living at Johns Well....  Oh, Pierce and Margaret

Umm, Cheers,  JM  ;D

EDIT TO ADD (oh I supose tis important) the ship was Sabrina, arriving abt 13 July 1854 (to Sydney)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 16 October 09 09:22 BST (UK)
John ‘s death was in 1864.
Age given as 21 months, birthplace as MELB.
No father listed.
Ref = 1542

No sign of Jane's birth though.......  :-\


Dee
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 16 October 09 09:24 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

Is there a record for his death

Newbe

Bingo Dee was just asking about this.

Bummer no red warning
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 16 October 09 09:26 BST (UK)
Hard to read Margaret birth image but I think it has Patrick occupation as a labourer

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Friday 16 October 09 09:31 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe,

Often they arrived as labourers, and then the gold rush fevers got them and they became miners.... all outdoor heavy work...

JM
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 16 October 09 09:34 BST (UK)
Bingo JM,

Looks like Patrick was a miner when his son Patrick was born

Letting you all know I have a sprained right shoulder so it takes a bit longer to type this

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 04:47 BST (UK)
I was wondering since I have not been able to find a marriage for Patrick PURCELL and Cecilia WOOD did Cecilia marry at all in Vic or NSW.

I have tried to look at NSW bdm but can't get online at moment

I have been told that Patrick PURCELL married a Mary SHANNAHAN no date given but she was born abt 1845 Stafford and she was a barmaid

This is all I know

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 17 October 09 04:55 BST (UK)
There's this marriage.....

Cecilia WOOD born SCOTLAND married Richard TUCKER in 1873.
Ref = 2336



Dee  :)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 05:02 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

That certainly looks like her as she was born Scotland from what I can make out on one of the images of her childrens births

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 17 October 09 05:09 BST (UK)
On my first look I can't find her death anywhere.. ...but I'll look again.....


Dee
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Saturday 17 October 09 05:19 BST (UK)
Umm

nsw bdm site down at this minute, I seem to remember a similar situation several weeks ago, and it was upgrading their servers, try again Monday...

But, on Patrick Purchell's arrival did you notice I've posted his parents names.... and I think his brother John at Surry Hills arrived 1850 to NSW....

JM
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 05:22 BST (UK)
Just seen it in reply 4

Good work JM

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 17 October 09 05:24 BST (UK)
Can't see any children born to Cecilia as a Tucker.


Dee   :)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 05:32 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee

That has saved me asking that question ;D

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Saturday 17 October 09 08:47 BST (UK)
NSW BDM back online...

Cannot see marriage for PURCELL = WOOD,  sorry Newbe..

JM
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 08:54 BST (UK)
That's ok JM

have a look at reply 11 of Dee's

I do not think Patrick married Cecilia at all

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 08:59 BST (UK)
Ta Newbe,

Possible sighting of Patrick PURCELL arriving in Sydney NSW in 1854.... aged 23, Ag Labourer, of Ireland.... Johns Well, Ct Kilkenny....  More genie info on this incoming list  ;)

He was coming to his Sydney based brother, John at Surry Hills... 

He was R C, could read (ie not write) he paid one pound under the Assisted Immigration Act...

More  ::)  oh, OK you want to know his parents  ???  oh, they were still living too, and living at Johns Well....  Oh, Pierce and Margaret

Umm, Cheers,  JM  ;D

EDIT TO ADD (oh I supose tis important) the ship was Sabrina, arriving abt 13 July 1854 (to Sydney)

Is there a link for this JM

I can not find it

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 09:05 BST (UK)
I think this might be Patrick's father's death

#936 Year 1908   PURCELL    Pierce 
Father:    John
Mother:   Catherine
District:   Burwood     

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 09:10 BST (UK)
This looks like a daughter

#10809  Year 1902  PURCELL  Mary
Father:      Pierce
Mother:      Margaret
District:    Petersham

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Saturday 17 October 09 09:31 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe,

Most of it is on NSW State Records,

I will amend this post with the link

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/quicksearch.aspx and key word Patrick Purcell, and then assisted immigrants etc

JM
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 09:35 BST (UK)
Thanks JM,

Does it give any other info?  Or only what you posted

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Saturday 17 October 09 09:36 BST (UK)
Bit More,

http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au and search for Sabrina 1854.... but does not give passengers names...

JM

Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 09:41 BST (UK)
Thanks for those links JM

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Saturday 17 October 09 09:48 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe,

The details in reply #4 were the best .... but I am now trying to find when/where Pierce Purcell arrived too !

Pierce and Margaret PURCELL were of course in the 1850's parents to at least two adult lads, John and Patrick.... John arrived NSW in 1850 and was apparently still in the vicinity of Sydney (Surry Hills) when Patrick left Ireland as an assisted immigrant in 1854...

Here's hoping I can find the arrival of those lads parents... and that when I do, I can get as much detail as I found for Patrick's 1854 arrival.

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Saturday 17 October 09 09:53 BST (UK)
Bit More,

1856 Electoral Roll for East Bourke, Whittlesea, Victoria
there's a Pierce Purcell, leaseholder at Darebin Creek .... (I'm not familiar with that area, could be Dorobin or Darobin etc)

Cheers,

JM
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 09:54 BST (UK)
Thanks JM

you are one of the best ;D

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 09:55 BST (UK)
Lets see if some one else can tell us more about the area as i know nothing either

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Saturday 17 October 09 10:00 BST (UK)
And a bit more, although Not Really Sure

1851 Wales Census, Breconshire, and the District Barracks at Brecon...

Patrick Purcell, aged 21, a Private (not sure but read on)....  Ag Lab born Kilkenny Gisbeo

Cheers,

JM

Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 10:06 BST (UK)
OK - Shall keep that in mind

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: majm on Saturday 17 October 09 10:11 BST (UK)
Also,

I have NOT found Pierce Purcell arriving in Aust at all, but I'm a tad eye-sore... and not really that familiar with Vic records, and definitely not familiar with Welsh or Irish records... But there's Pierce Purchell of Kilkenny on the Irish Land Valuations records apparently...

Cheers, Catch up later.

JM
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 17 October 09 10:13 BST (UK)
Thanks JM

Shall leave it for then night

Cheers

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 18 October 09 06:43 BST (UK)
Have found this for Patrick Purcell

Conduct record for Patrick PURCELL, tried Limerick in 1850, received 7 years transportation for receiving stolen goods; arrived on the "Rodney" 1853 aged
29 years -
   

http://www.rootschat.com/links/07al/

I think he told some porkies about his age on both birth images

newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 18 October 09 07:02 BST (UK)
A Pat Purcell aged 30 also arrived in Victoria on board the Agincourt in February of 1854. 10/205

A Pierse Purcell aged 21 had arrived in Victoria  on board the George Fyffe in July 1841  1/39

Whether they're anything to do with your Patrick and Pierce I don't know.


Dee  :)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 18 October 09 07:09 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

Will keep it in mind

newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 02 December 09 09:01 GMT (UK)
I have some wonderful news ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I have found Patrick PURCELL in NZ :D

He married a Mary SHANNAHAN in 1867 and they had about 8 or 9 children.

I have just been talking to a cousin in QLD via skype for about an hour so am very happy. I now have more cousins etc to search for

This has been a wonderful journey

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 04 December 09 21:28 GMT (UK)
I have just found this article on Papers past
Link below
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP18830413.2.31&srpos=11&e=-------10--11----0Patrick+PURCELL-all

Let me know what you think. If you can't read it let me know as well and I will tell you what paper it was in.

So it does look like Patrick PURCELL and Cecilia WOOD were never married.

I had to LOL at it

newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 04 December 09 23:30 GMT (UK)
 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

The truth will out, Newbe!

Amazing.......and very interesting......  :D  :D


Dee
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 04 December 09 23:39 GMT (UK)
Is there a way to check and see if there is a marriage in Vic for Patrick PURCELL and this other lady  Agnes in 1862  Richmond.

As I say I have his NZ marriage certificate and it says he is a bachelor on it

Regards
Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 04 December 09 23:43 GMT (UK)
Sure is.....

Patrick PURCELL married Agnes McARTHUR 1862
Ref = 4089


Dee  :)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 04 December 09 23:45 GMT (UK)
Son born to the the above couple...... James McArthur PURCELL in 1866 at Kerrie.
Ref = 839


Dee  :)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 04 December 09 23:49 GMT (UK)
I wonder if that is the son talked about in the article from papers past ::)

This is mind blowing

Thanks Dee for looking this up :D

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 05 December 09 08:46 GMT (UK)
Son born to the the above couple...... James McArthur PURCELL in 1866 at Kerrie.
Ref = 839


Dee  :)

Hi There,

Just wondering if there is a marriage or death for him in Vic.

If there is a marriage are there any children

Regards
Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 05 December 09 11:02 GMT (UK)
I can't see any more records for a James McArthur PURCELL, I'm afraid.....  :-\


Dee
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 05 December 09 19:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks for looking Dee,

I wonder what happened to his mother and himself then ::)

The hunt will continue :)

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 05 December 09 20:39 GMT (UK)
Newbe, I searched for Agnes Purcell's death in a number of ways, but came up with nothing. I thought she may have remarried after the divorce, as there are records for several marriages of an Agnes Purcell.  :-\


Dee     :)

Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 05 December 09 20:48 GMT (UK)
Looks as though may have to get marriage image and see if parents are named on it.

This may be the only way to find her death

Thanks for all your help as usual :D

Newbe ;)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 06 December 09 09:11 GMT (UK)
I think a cousin of mine has found her marriage PURCELL Agnes to BAKER Edward 1886 REF: 4567
Birth Place: Glasgow as in the newspaper article from papers past.  Does not name where marriage was
 
This might be her death
BAKER Agnes 1928 REF: 9049 Parents: James McARTHUR and Mary PEARSON aged 80 Place: Bwk E

What is that short for?

Where would I find her burial

Regards
Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 06 December 09 09:16 GMT (UK)
Newbe, I expect Bwk E is Brunswick East.

Can't help you re burial though.


Dee
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 06 December 09 09:18 GMT (UK)
That's Ok Dee,

Will wait and see it others can help. In the mean time I just might google it and see what there is :)

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 06 December 09 09:24 GMT (UK)
Looks like she is in Fawkner Memorial Park Cemetery
  Methodist Compartment A Grave #475

Service date 16 June 1928

Regards
Newbe

Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: Raylen on Sunday 06 December 09 10:24 GMT (UK)
Hi newbe

From 'The Argus" Friday 15/6/1928
Deaths

BAKER - On the 14th June at the residence of her son, Leslie A Baker
3 Dunstan Ave East Brunswick, AGNES, beloved wife of the late
Edward Baker of Willow Glen, Bolinda and loving mother of
Leslie Alexander and loved grandma of Gladys and Shirley
Aged 80 years

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3931133?searchTerm=agnes+baker

Raylen


Added    funeral notice.  same paper -   same date
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 06 December 09 16:41 GMT (UK)
Thanks Raylen for your help

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 15 December 09 09:23 GMT (UK)
Hi newbe

From 'The Argus" Friday 15/6/1928
Deaths

BAKER - On the 14th June at the residence of her son, Leslie A Baker
3 Dunstan Ave East Brunswick, AGNES, beloved wife of the late
Edward Baker of Willow Glen, Bolinda and loving mother of
Leslie Alexander and loved grandma of Gladys and Shirley
Aged 80 years

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3931133?searchTerm=agnes+baker

Raylen


Added    funeral notice.  same paper -   same date

Can any one help with a birth for this Leslie Alexander Baker please
Also a marriage and death would be great if he died before 1985

Thanks

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: Raylen on Tuesday 15 December 09 11:50 GMT (UK)
Hi newbe

BIRTH
BAKER  Leslie Alexander
1887   Roms ( maybe Romsey)
Father:  Edward   Mother: Agnes McArthur   
Reg#14568


DEATH
BAKER  Leslie Alexander 
1966  age 79 years  Melb
Father: Edward   Mother: Agnes Purcell
Reg#14672


Raylen



Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: cando on Tuesday 15 December 09 12:50 GMT (UK)
Mistranscribed marriage -

BAKER Jeslie Alex  b. Bolinda
KENT Ruth b. Warrigal
1912  Reg#880

Death
BAKER Ruth
Father Kent Robert  Mother Mary Ann  ROGERS
At Coburg   78 years  1967  Reg#8016

Birth
BAKER Gladys Ruth
Father Leslie Alexander  Mother Ruth KENT
At Ascot Vale  1913  Reg#185

Marriage
BAKER Gladys Ruth
ASHTON Robert Arthur
1934  Reg# 6435


Cando
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 15 December 09 18:14 GMT (UK)
Thank you Raylen and Cando

I still have no idea what happened to her son to Patrick Purcell born 1866 James McArthur Purcell was his name.

He has to be somewhere but have not found him in NZ

Will have to keep looking

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: judb on Wednesday 16 December 09 12:27 GMT (UK)
There is a digitsed will for Edward Baker of Bolinda, died 17 July, 1914.

Probate granted to Agnes Baker, widow and to Albert BAKER, Leslie Alexander BAKER, and William BAKER. An inventory of his property and money is included.

Legacies paid to Albert BAKER, Mary KELLY, John Stephen BAKER, William BAKER, James Edward BAKER, Leslie Alexander BAKER, (his children) and Agnes BAKER. 

The papers include a letter from William BAKER, one of the executors who has some queries regarding rents etc collected by his stepmother, Mrs Agnes BAKER.  It rather leaves one with the impression that William was not best pleased with Agnes.

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/access/probate.asp

The site is quite slow to load, and both links for him are worth reading.

Cheers, Judith
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 16 December 09 17:08 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much Judith, I am now off to have a look

Regards
Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 05 May 10 10:39 BST (UK)
I now have the transcription for all children to Patrick Purcell and  Cecilia Wood and Patrick's other wife Agnes Purcell nee McArthur

Will do them one by one

Name: Margaret PURCELL
Sex of Child: Female
Date of Birth: 17/08/1860
Place: 29 King Street, Melbourne, VIC

Father: Patrick PURCELL
Occupation: Laobouer
Birthplace: Limerick, Ireland
Age: 22

Date of  Marriage: 24/07/1858
Place of Marriage: Melbourne


Mother: Cecilia WOOD
Birthplace: Fife, Scotland
Age: 20

Previous Issue:  one Living (not known if male or female)

Informant: (Signed)  Partick Purcell, Father of  the child, Emu Creek, near Gisborne

Present at Birth:  Dr Knaggs

Date Registered: 23/11/1860 Gisborne


Newbe

PS: Next one to follow
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 05 May 10 10:40 BST (UK)
Next One

Name: Patrick Joseph PURCELL
Sex of Child: Male
Date of Birth: 05/10/1865
Place: 122 Little Lonsdale Street, East Melbourne, VIC

Father: Patrick PURCELL
Occupation: Miner
Birthplace: Ireland
Age: 27

Date of Marriage: 1861
Place of Marriage: Kangaroo Ground

Mother: Cecilia WOOD
Birthplace: Aberdeen, Scotland
Age: 23

Previous Issue:  Jane 3, John (Dead)

Informant:  (Signed) G: SMITH, Friend, Merritt's Place, Little Lonsdale Street,  EastMelbourne, VIC

Registered: 26/10/1865 Melbourne


Newbe

PS: Next one to follow
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 05 May 10 10:42 BST (UK)
Next One

Name: James McArthur PURCELL
Sex of Child: Male
Date of Birth 11/12/1865
Place:  Kerrie, District of Bolinda, VIC

Father: Patrick PURCELL
Occupation: Carter
Birthplace: Limerick, Ireland
Age: 26

Date of Marriage: 29/12/1862
Place of Marriage: Richmond, Melbourne

Mother: Agnes McARTHUR
Birthplace: Glasgow, Scotland
Age: 17

Previous Issue:  -

Informant: (Signed) Agnes PURCELL, Mother, Kerrie
Present at Birth: Mrs KEYS

Registered: 06/02/1866, Bolinda

Newbe

PS: Marriage to follow
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 05 May 10 10:43 BST (UK)
Marriage Transcription


Groom: Patrick PURCELL
Status: Bachelor
Place of Birth: Co Limerick, Ireland
Occupation: Ploughman
Age: 23
Usual Residence:  Present -  Kew; Usual – Lancefield
Father: James PURCELL
Occupation: Farmer
Mother: Catherine O'Brian

Bride: Agnes McARTHUR
Status: Spinster
Place of Birth: Glasgow, Scotland
Occupation: Servant
Age: 18
Usual Residence:  Present – Kew; Usual – Lancefield
Father: James McARTHUR
Occupation: Farmer:
Mother: Mary Pearson

Date of Marriage: 29/12/1862
Place of Marriage:  St James, Richmond, VIC
Religon: Roman Catholic
Witnesses: (Signed) Michael McINERNEY, (Signed) Margaret QUINN
Minister: James J  MADDEN

Declaration: I, Patrick Purcell, Do hereby declare that I am a member of the R. C. Church
This marrriage was solemnized with the concent of Septimus Martin ESQR Gardenian of Minors; The groom and Bride appeared to have signed the register.


Last one ;D

Newbe

PS: At last I now have Patrick Purcell's parents to add to the tree ;D
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: judb on Wednesday 05 May 10 10:59 BST (UK)
Wow, newbe - you must be pleased to have all that extra info  ;D  Judith
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 05 May 10 11:04 BST (UK)
I am very pleased indeed ;D

It may have cost me a bit more but was worth the wait I think

At least I now have Patrick and Agnes Parents so that makes things a bit easier.

Am not sure where to go next in searching as I have now found James McArthur PURCELL anywhere in Australia or New Zealand

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 05 May 10 11:26 BST (UK)
It looks like we had Patrick Purcell's parents wrong earlier on in the thread so it is good to finally know who they are now.

Have not ordered his death printout in NZ yet but that is next on my list of things to do

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 18 August 10 00:21 BST (UK)
Have just received this the other day from gerryp66

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Am a Purcell researcher (some 30 years) just recently joined Rootschat.
Noted your thread re Patrick Purcell & Cecilia Wood, Agnes McArthur and Mary Ann Shannahan.  Patrick was born Askeaton, Limerick, christened 26 Feb 1841 to parents James P. and Bridget MINITOR.

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I have details of the descendants of Patrick P. and Mary Ann SHANNAHAN.
Also have Patrick's brothers as Thomas, James and David. Have their christening dates but nothing else at present.
I was previously unaware of his marriage to Agnes McARTHUR, their son James McArthur P. or of the two sons to Cecilia WOOD (John WOOD and Patrick Joseph P.).
Patrick and Cecilia had two daughters Margaret, b. 24Jul1858 (IGI) would appear to have died before 1860, and the Margaret born 17Aug1860 (VIC RGO 1860/19028) but IGI says17Aug1861 . May not be right as it appears that the first Margaret was born the same day Patrick and Cecilia got married (IGI is not always reliable) ??
My interests stem from a one name study of the PURCELLs of Australasia.  30 years part-time effort to date has resulted in a database of over 16,500 Purcells.  Still putting the jigsaw together.  Happy to share what I do have.

I have told him that Patrick and Cecilia never married. I am now wondering if Patrick had his mother right on the marriage certificate.  I am waiting for Gerry to get back to me at this stage. I never new he had brothers so more searching to do

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 21 February 11 00:43 GMT (UK)
Still trying to find info on a James PURCELL and Catherine O'BRIAN who were Patrick PURCELL's parents.  I am thinking this might be hard as no Irish records available.

I do not know if Patrick had siblings or not or if the parents came to Australia.

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 21 February 11 00:45 GMT (UK)
Have just received this the other day from gerryp66

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Am a Purcell researcher (some 30 years) just recently joined Rootschat.
Noted your thread re Patrick Purcell & Cecilia Wood, Agnes McArthur and Mary Ann Shannahan.  Patrick was born Askeaton, Limerick, christened 26 Feb 1841 to parents James P. and Bridget MINITOR.

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I have details of the descendants of Patrick P. and Mary Ann SHANNAHAN.
Also have Patrick's brothers as Thomas, James and David. Have their christening dates but nothing else at present.
I was previously unaware of his marriage to Agnes McARTHUR, their son James McArthur P. or of the two sons to Cecilia WOOD (John WOOD and Patrick Joseph P.).
Patrick and Cecilia had two daughters Margaret, b. 24Jul1858 (IGI) would appear to have died before 1860, and the Margaret born 17Aug1860 (VIC RGO 1860/19028) but IGI says17Aug1861 . May not be right as it appears that the first Margaret was born the same day Patrick and Cecilia got married (IGI is not always reliable) ??
My interests stem from a one name study of the PURCELLs of Australasia.  30 years part-time effort to date has resulted in a database of over 16,500 Purcells.  Still putting the jigsaw together.  Happy to share what I do have.

I have told him that Patrick and Cecilia never married. I am now wondering if Patrick had his mother right on the marriage certificate.  I am waiting for Gerry to get back to me at this stage. I never new he had brothers so more searching to do

Newbe

If you are still out there gerryp66 please contact me as I would love to have more info on this family
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 13 August 11 10:32 BST (UK)
Hi There,

I finally got Agnes Baker death printout from BDM Victoria by downloading it and it says that James was alive but his age was not known. He would have been 62 when his mother Agnes died.  I have a feeling his parents may not show for his death. Have tried to search NSW and Queensland but no luck. Not able to search Victoria. I am at a loss as I have no idea if he was married or where he lived. Have found nothing in NZ so assume he stayed in Australia.

Any suggestions please would be great

Thanks
Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 14 August 11 03:10 BST (UK)
Think I have found Cecilia(Ceceiia TUCKER nee WOOD) death in Western Australia
 Died 1906 Registration District Subiaco Reg No. 109. I think her husband Richard died 1904

Looking online at the Western Australia BDM site no parents are named

Is there a way to find out where she may have been living in 1903 and 1906

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 14 August 11 03:52 BST (UK)
This, her death notice, will at least confirm she is the right woman or not, if that is a help.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0eme/

This is a SA death notice for the above woman's husband, Richard

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36978399?searchTerm="cecilia tucker  " &searchLimits=

Sue

Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 14 August 11 04:00 BST (UK)
Hi There,

Yes it is the right woman but have not found a son by the name of John for her. I wonder if he is a step son. Have not found Richard's death  in WA so not sure where he died. Death notice confirms death on 25/11/1900

Richard and Cecilia married in 1873 Victoria.

newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 14 August 11 04:04 BST (UK)
This, her death notice, will at least confirm she is the right woman or not, if that is a help.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0eme/

This is a SA death notice for the above woman's husband, Richard

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36978399?searchTerm="cecilia tucker  " &searchLimits=

Sue



Thanks for Richard's one as I could not find it.  So does this mean they both died in SA and not WA. I am slightly confused on this

Cheers
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 14 August 11 04:44 BST (UK)
Have found a funeral notice for Cecelia TUCKER nee WOOD and it says she is buried at Karrakatta Cemetery. Her son John is buried with her. He died on 20/10/1939 aged 75 so born abt 1864

Richard's funeral notice says he is buried in Payneham Cemetery. Have not looked online yet for the cemetery

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 14 August 11 04:51 BST (UK)
Hi Newbie,

Cecelia died in WA (Subiaco according to death notice)

Richard died in SA

TUCKER Richard died 25 Nov 1900 at Marryatville Dist Nor 273 456. He was aged 68 status relative not recorded, residence Marryatville.

He is buried at Payneham

http://headstones.weebly.com/payneham.html

Cheers Kris  :)

Ditto Newbie

Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 14 August 11 04:59 BST (UK)
Thanks Kris.  Now have John TUCKER's death notice. He was married to a lady named Louise. They had 3 children Stan, Anster and Leith.  Stan was living in Victoria and the other 2 were in Brisbane.

Will go look at your link for the headstone Kris

Cheers
newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 14 August 11 05:04 BST (UK)
there is no birth for John (or any births to this couple in SA.

There is teaching record for Cecilia TUCKER (sewing Teacher Mannamarie)

http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/research/condon/teachers/Teachers.asp?TeacherID=9042

and an extensive teaching record for John from training college in1883 - resignation in 1901. He was teaching at Mannanarie in 1886 also, and Mylor as mentioned in Richards death notice)

http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/research/condon/teachers/Teachers.asp?TeacherID=5106

Cheers Kris   :)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 14 August 11 05:17 BST (UK)

Births to John TUCKER 22 Single father Richard TUCKER and  Sarah Louise Jane PAVY 22 single father Richard PAVY 29 Dec 1886 BC Church Crystal Brook Dist Cla 149 966

Births to John TUCKER Sarah Louise Jane PAVY

Richard Stanley TUCKER 4 Feb 1888 Adelaide Dist Ade 413 203
Austruther Pavy TUCKER 12 Oct 1891 Langhornes Creek Dist Str 488 434
John Leith TUCKER 28 Oct 1898 Maitland Dist Dal 630 496

Cheers Kris  :)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 14 August 11 05:37 BST (UK)
BISA entry for John unfortunately nothing helpful

TUCKER John married 29 Feb 1886 Sarah Louise nee PAVY parents Richd and Caroline Sophia nee COMBE born 6 Jun 1864 SA died 16 Mar 1950 Perth WA

No entry for Richard

Cheers Kris  :)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 14 August 11 05:39 BST (UK)
Thanks for that Kris

The only John  birth I had was a John Wood in Victoria but and am sure it says on Patrick Joseph PURCELL's birth cert  1865 that John was dead. maybe the informant got that wrong.

What is the best way to find out where this John TUCKER was born.
Do I get the marriage or death cert for him. He would be my great grandfather's step brother or brother or something like that

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 14 August 11 05:40 BST (UK)
BISA entry for John unfortunately nothing helpful

TUCKER John married 29 Feb 1886 Sarah Louise nee PAVY parents Richd and Caroline Sophia nee COMBE born 6 Jun 1864 SA died 16 Mar 1950 Perth WA

No entry for Richard

Cheers Kris  :)

Thanks for that Kris.  Louise is also buried with John and his mother.
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 14 August 11 05:42 BST (UK)
Hi Newbie,

I just found this -says he was born in Vic

http://www.carnamah.com.au/ca44.html

Unfortunately a SA marriage cert will not help with mother or POB

Cheers Kris   :)
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 14 August 11 05:56 BST (UK)
Hi Newbie,

I just found this -says he was born in Vic

http://www.carnamah.com.au/ca44.html

Unfortunately a SA marriage cert will not help with mother or POB

Cheers Kris   :)

Thanks for that Kris. It makes great reading

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 14 August 11 06:00 BST (UK)
Looks like John's death cert in Perth may not help either as no parents listed on it when looking online
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 14 August 11 06:10 BST (UK)
Here you go with one of the births, Newbe.....

John WOOD, mother Cecilia WOOD, born in 1863 at LANC
Ref = 3277


Dee  :)

This is the birth Dee gave and is close to John's age at death.
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 21 August 11 04:24 BST (UK)
I now have Patrick Purcell's death printout from BDM in New Zealand and it has James Purcell as his father but no mother on it.   

I was looking at Margaret Purcell's birth record of 1860 and on it under previous issue it has one living that has not been found so not sure what to make of that.  If I get the one below for Leslie Alexander BAKER  of his birth will it have Agnes other son from her first marriage as previous issue.

Hi newbe

BIRTH
BAKER  Leslie Alexander
1887   Roms ( maybe Romsey)
Father:  Edward   Mother: Agnes McArthur   
Reg#14568


DEATH
BAKER  Leslie Alexander 
1966  age 79 years  Melb
Father: Edward   Mother: Agnes Purcell
Reg#14672


Raylen





Regards
Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: macjeffrey on Sunday 15 July 12 14:37 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe,

I am a descendant of Cecilia Wood's son John (Tucker). I was reading your thread and very interested to know what the NZ past papers article re Patrick Purcell said? I cannot load the link.
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 15 July 12 20:51 BST (UK)
Hi There,

I have replied to your PM you sent me. Papers past site is down so I will send article to you.

Newbe
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: PurcellNZ on Thursday 22 November 12 23:43 GMT (UK)
Great info.

Thanks
Title: Re: PURCELL family help needed - Victoria
Post by: Pompilio Hernandez on Monday 11 November 13 21:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Neebe:
In the city of Saltillo Mexico was living a Purcell family, Thomas V Purcell born 1852 & Wiliam L Purcell born 1845 in Limerick IRE, one died at Saltillo City And the other in San Antonio Tx. The tomb of both are in Saltillo Mexico