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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: lisasteve34 on Wednesday 14 October 09 22:34 BST (UK)
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Need help finding clues to a family mystery. I am looking for an Emily Palmer Abt1890. Daughter of henry and Mary Palmer, Sister to Florence, John and Rose. The 1901 census says that she was born Wellingborough Northamptonshire. However non of the children are in the latest census with their parents. Emily Is said to have had a daughter know to us as Kitty Carter (could be catherine, Kathering, Kate). We don't know why Kitty she was a Carter not a Palmer. She supposidly married a man called Whitting and had a son Roy and John Whitting. However the family know the children as Whitting but she was always know as Kitty Carter. She would have been born somewhere between 1905 and 1915. She later died some time after the 2nd world war in a car accident. I cannot seems to find Emily, or kitty on any census. so any help would be great. Also where is best to look for paper cuttings to see if i can find any clues there?
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Hi lisasteve,
Are you certain Emily was the daughter of Henry and Emma Palmer?????
In 1891 it seems Emily is 11 mths old and her mother is mary(age 31) -father is henry W Palmer
there is a marriage FreeBMD
Sept qtr 1882
Leicester
on same page
henry william Palmer
Mary buswell
7a 350
and there is a death reg freeBMD
Mary Palmer
age 39
mar qtr 1899
Wrllingbro
3b 100
I know this isn't helping with Kitty carter - but just wondered if you have this information???
Suz
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Sorry fo r the confusion but she was Mary (Emma?) Buswell, For some reason i have her one name on my lapt top and another on my PC. She definatly is a Buswell. Many thanks Lisa
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She didn'tmarry as mary Emma Buswell- there is no birth reg as mary E Buswell at correct time
Then there is the death reg of mary palmer
It may be worth investigating if Mary and Emma are 2 different people
Have you found the birth reg of any of the children????
Also you state you cannot seem to find Emily on any census - yet she is on 1891/1901???
You also state Kitty married a man called Whitting and had sons Roy and John - have you found their birth reg's ??? That will give their mother's maiden name . so you would know whether she was a Palmer or carter
Suz
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This is very confusing because there is a rival thread with slightly different information:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=412769.new;topicseen#new
"She supposidly married a man called Carter and had a son Roy and John"
So it seems she didn't marry a Carter, she married a Whitting - but it's not helpful in any event to have two threads running on the same (or nearly the same) information.
Anna
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No sorry regarding the thread, i didn't realise and don't know how to get rid of it! any ideas how to do that? Mary is definalty married to Henry as I have her birth and Marriage certificate. On the 1911 census there is only Mary, Henry and his mother. Sorry for the confusion I am suffereing with Chronic Asthma and am on Steriods that are making me make many mistakes at the moment. It wasn't the 1891 or 1901 census i needed as i have them, it was finding marriage for Emily and Birth/Death for Kitty. Hope this makes sense?
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I have posted on other thread, oops :) :-[
Trish
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Re 1911 census request. Please see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355484.0.html
You should not ask for look-ups from sources which are copyright, either commercial or free e.g. IGI, Ancestry, FindMyPast.
Regards
Andrea
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Thank you for the pointing that out. I am not often on here and havn't done research for 2 years. I have just started back up after visiting a family member, so I hadn't seen that post. Thanks again for letting me know, I will edit my request for 1911.
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I felt the need to poke around at something this afternoon, and since I am descended from Carters of Wellingborough ... ;)
From the other thread, Trish 1120 posted (with my additions and deletions):
Roy WHITING.... Mothers name CARTER
born 16 Dec 1929, died 1990 Wellingborough
___ WHITING... Mothers name Carter
younger son who appears not to have died by 2006
Marriage:
Catherine M CARTER + Gilbert WHITING
September 1929
Wellingbro' 3b 412
Birth:
Catherine CARTER
March 1907
Mt Harbro' 7a 12
Also, there is confusion about Emily Palmer's mother being Mary or Emma, and that is because, as noted above in this thread, her mother Mary had died by the 1901 census:
Mary Palmer, age 39
mar qtr 1899
Wellingbro 3b 100
and father Henry shows as having wife Emma (born c1861, Leicester); there isn't actually a matching marriage. That Emma is not Emily's mother; she is her stepmother. Although ... the personal details (date and place of birth) for Mary and Emma do match ... But there is no other Mary Palmer in 1891 who fits that death.
The birth posted for Catherine ("Kitty"?) Carter looks to be the best bet, and the only way to confirm who her parents were (or at least her mother) is to get the birth certificate; her marriage certificate to Gilbert Whiting should also be got, to check against the birth certificate for age and to see whether she named a father, and if so, who.
There is no death registration for a Cat* or Kat* or Kit* Whiting (or Carter) born 1906-7 that seems at all likely to be her. Nor is there any likely remarriage for any version of the name. Gilbert Whiting born 23 Dec 1908 died in 1995 in Wellingborough.
I haven't made any more headway on where Kitty emerged from, since I can't find her or Emily in 1911 either (I'm suspecting they will be there under the surname of a husband/partner of Emily, but no luck so far).
If you do get the 1907 birth certificate, just so we know we're barking up the right tree, I'd be happy to look some more, just in case Kitty and I are cousins. ;)
My Carter is a great-grandparent born abt 1860 in Rushden, whose child, my grandparent, was born and married in Wellingborough. Of course, there were gazillions of Carters in Wellingborough, and my great-grandparent's generation was a little old to include the father of someone born in 1907 whose mother was born in 1890.
Actually ... I see a Ralph Carter, about the only male Carter in Wellingborough who would be about the right age (in 1901 he was in Rushden, born abt 1889 in Yelden, Bedfordshire) -- whose occupation was the same as Henry Palmer's ... If he was the daddy, we likely aren't related; but we won't know unless Kitty's birth or marriage certificate names a father.
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Hmm ... an Elizabeth E Palmer married an Alfred W Carter in Derby in Dec quarter 1910.
We know they were the couple who married (of the two brides and two grooms on the list) as there are several Carter-Palmer births in Derby after that.
And yes, yes, yes. Elizabeth Emily Carter was born in Wellingborough abt 1890. And she appears to have no daughter Kitty or variant.
Alfred William Carter is about twice Emily's age, and has children almost as old as her. I wonder whether he was Kitty's father, but Emily was not her mother?
I can't find Alfred or his children in 1901, but there is a birth record for Percy Thomas Carter in March quarter 1901 in Derby, e.g., so they existed ... Here they are, in Derby; Ancestry has transcribed them as Cortes, if you can imagine. Alfred W Carter died in 1922 in Derby at age 52.
An Elizabeth E Carter married an Albert E Green in Wellingborough in 1923. Does that sound at all familiar? An Elizabeth E Green, born abt 1890, died in Wellingborough in 1946. Could that be the post-WWII death you are thinking of?
I've never been sure where the info came from in the first place that Emily Palmer was the mother of Kitty Carter; family knowledge? You're related to / descended from another Palmer and that's how Kitty Carter became "Aunt Kitty"?
It's looking less and less likely that our Carters are related, but some of this may lead to something for you. ;)
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Thankyou, i will look over this when I am better
regards Lisa