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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: Eli G on Tuesday 13 October 09 12:13 BST (UK)
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Hi Eli G
Can't help with your Kyffin mysteries but Northwales BMD has this 1846 marriage:
Llanbedr y Cennin, St Peter
Evan JONES and Catherine EVANS
registers at Conwy County Borough (Llandudno) ref C12/1/14
the GRO reference is Festiniog June Q vol 27 page 279
The 1851 census lists Catherine`s birthplace as Caerhun.
HTH
Heather
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Many thaks for this, at least with the surname, I can look further. Clearly she wasn't Kyffin before she married so presumably the link must be on Evans's side. Thanks again.
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Hello Eli G,
Some of the Parish Registers of Caerhun can be seen on Freereg.
http://www.freereg.org.uk
There are 2 baptisms for Catherine EVANS there in the 1820s.
02/03/1823 Catherine EVANS daughter of Rowland and Dorothy EVANS.
22/03/1829. born 21/02/1829. Catherine EVANS daughter of Timothy and Anne EVANS. Mother's maiden name was PUGH. This at Tal y Bont (Cm) church.
Rowland and Dorothy EVANS also baptised:
Evan EVANS at Caerhun on 11/03/1821.
William EVANS on 22/08/1819.
Jo
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Many thaks for this, at least with the surname, I can look further. Clearly she wasn't Kyffin before she married so presumably the link must be on Evans's side. Thanks again.
In my family tree when a daughter married a man with a common name like Jones or Roberts, the mother's maiden surname was often given as a middle name to the sons from the marriage in order to carry forward her family name. You may find that Evan Jones mother was a Kyffin. ;)
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Given Catherine's stated age of 30 in 1851 and assuming the Llanbedr marriage is the correct one, there is a possibility that she was a widow, as 25 was relatively late for a first marriage. Obtaining the marriage certificate would help you by identifying Evan's father as well as ensuring you are tracing the correct Catherine......
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I think this is the way forward as I will be able to get Evan's mother's (maiden) name from the marriage certificate. Thanks for looking.
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I think this is the way forward as I will be able to get Evan's mother's (maiden) name from the marriage certificate. Thanks for looking.
Unfortunately marriage certificates in England & Wales only provide the father's name and occupation :( Many pre1837 parish registers do not provide the mother's maiden name either :( :(
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I have the facility to order a death certificate but can't see how I go about ordering a marriage cert?
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I have the facility to order a death certificate but can't see how I go about ordering a marriage cert?
Hi Eli G
You would order a marriage certificate in exactly the same way as a death certificate. Either from the registrar of the district where the marriage took place or from the GRO using their online ordering system. In either case you will need the reference numbers which were posted earlier in the thread in reply #1.
Heather
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Many thanks for the info. I have order the marriage certificate, and fingers-crossed, I will gain some new information.
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I have ordered three marriage certs. for Evan and Catherine Jones from the GRO and each time they have not issued one, as the bride's name in the reference given was not Catherine. I think the best way forward is to therefore order them from the Registrar of the district as suggested. How do I go about finding the contact details of the registrar - would it be through Conwy County Council?
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http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/REG/regoff.html
This is a very useful list; I think you will find what you need under Conwy.
Pinot :)
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Many thanks.
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Just noticed your posting as I was looking for my family links to the area.
Found these entries in the Caerhun Parish Registers:-
1714 July 17 Marriage
JOHN KYFFIN of Eglwysfach m GRACE MORRIS otp Wern
BAPTISMS
1715 May 4 MARY to John & Grace Maurice Wern
1717 May 5 OWEN to John & Mary Maurice Wern
1718 Mar 8 JANE to John & Grace
BURIALS
1762 Jan 26 OWEN Yeoman Ty- Newydd
I suspect that they are all linked to your family, but a generation or two before those who you have named.
John from Eglwysfach must have a link.
No other Kyffins are mentioned in the Caerhun or Llangelynnin registers.
Hope this is of interest
Malc18
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Hello Eli g
I can't help with " recent" connections to your grand parents but I do have a Kyffin family tree which includes William Kyffin his son Thomas Kyffin, married to Mary Davies died 1655. This could be a connection to your father's work back in the 60's
This family tree was produced by Dave Hill in Canada, he forwarded a copy to me a few years ago. If you can make the connection to William, Thomas(of Maenan, llanrwst) and Mary Davies then Dave's linage chart takes us back another 34 (thirty four) generations.
Obviously this is a large file, but if you wish I will try and send a copy to you off list.
Regards Kyffin Roberts
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Hello Kyffin
Thanks for your interest in my quest. I have a Kyffin Maenan family tree which my father obtained from the University of Wales Bangor in the 60s, It shows William Kyffin had an natural son Thomas, by Mary Davies which is clearly the information you have on your Kyffin family tree. This one goes back to 1230. My father was insistant that our link was through this union but the research he did was lost. Thomas and Mary had a son called George Kyffin who went to St John's College, Cambridge and was Rector of Llandddoget and Vicar at Eglwysbach. Unfortunately, the chart I have then follows Richard Kyffin not George. I need to find out if George had any children and work my way to us that way. The family tree you mentioned sounds really interesting and I would appreciate if you could send me a copy. Today I ordered a copy of the death certificate of Williams Kyffin Jones father of Evan - perhaps something will come of that!!
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Thanks for the information - Mary, Owen and Jane are all family names so the likelihood is the people listed are linked and may be part of the missing link!!
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Hello again,
The information we have on different trees doesn't quite match, on my tree William Kyffin married Jonet Merededd. they had Thomas Kyffin and he married Mary Davies. they had George Kyffin in 1648. George Married a Mary Jones, no date and no further information on that line.
Please e mail me on and I will send you a copy of the tree I have.
Regards Kyffin
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Hi Kyffin,
You might want to edit your email address out; anythything you post is visible throughout the web - try googling 'Kyffin' and you'll see what I mean.
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Best contact is through private message (pm).
Pinot :)