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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Lorica on Monday 12 October 09 21:05 BST (UK)
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Im looking for any information relating to the McGregors,
Isabella McGregor born 1893 Married to Andrew Louden
Angus McGregor b1867 Married to Mary Ann McEwan Seath
Angus McGregor b1834 in Kenmore
John McGregor b1796
The family lived in Auchterarder or round about. Does anyone have any additional information?
Thanks
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Hi Lorica
I presume this is an ancestral line from Isabella back to John?
What additional information are you looking for? Do you want to go forward or back or look at siblings? Do you have them on the 1841-1901 censuses? This would give information about their occupations and children, etc.
The marriage certificate of Angus to Mary Ann would give his mother's name and thus the wife of Angus (b. 1834) and, if this Angus married in 1855 or after, his marriage cert would give his mother's name and thus the wife of John. Similarly, with Isabella's and Angus, jnr.'s birth certs and John's death cert.
These BMDs and censuses can be found on the Scotlands People site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk It's a pay to view site but very reasonable - e.g. an index search and a view/download of a copy of a cert. would be 6 credits (=£1.20)
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
Thanks for the reply. I want to go both forward and back looking at the family and also looking at siblings.
I do have some census unformation but struggling to find the family in 1861-1901. But working on it!! The family in 1841 are living in Logierait. Gradually putting bits together, just taking time....
Thanks
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How sure of the dates/places are you? I don't see an Angus M*greg*or born in Perthshire between 1865 and 1870 on SP .
Do you have any of the birth/marriage certs?
Gadget
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I have seen the 1841 Census (Ancestry.co.uk) for Logierait
John McGregor b1796 Place of Birth Just says Perthshire he was a miller His wife was Christine b1801.
John and Christian McGregor Married August 18th 1816 in Kenmore
Their children where (according to Census)
Janet abt 1801 (July 12th 1817 - Kenmore)
Duncan abt 1821 (February 16th 1824 - Kenmore)
Alexander abt 1828 (August 7th 1827 - Kenmore)
Cathrine abt 1831 (August 10th 1829 - Kenmore)
Elizabeth abt 1833 (January 8th 1832 - Kenmore)
Angus abt 1835 (February 12th 1834 - Kenmore)
Margaret abt 1837 (December 10th 1836 - Kenmore)
James abt 1827
New Child.... Christian McGregor April 9th 1819 - Kenmore
Perthshire is listed as place of birth. I have founded a Census return for an Angus abt 1834 born in Kenmore. He's at Uni In Edinburgh studying "Literacy Student of Medical" Recorded on return as a Lodger.
In the same house is another McGregor Called Alexander abt 1828 also born in Kenmore also at Uni
The ages seam to fit, and place of birth is a possibility. Don't know what you think. I also have evidence from the LDS, the birth of Angus Snr parents names are the same the birth was registered in Kenmore born on 12/02/1834.
Will check my other details.
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Hi
I think the best thing is to work back from what you know - i.e Isabella's parents from the marriage cert and then their parents from their marriage certs etc. and fill in gaps from censuses and other BMDs.
Do you know for sure that the 1841 family are yours?
Gadget
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Interesting Development.
I have just been looking at some printout copies of marriage registrations and the 1841 census.
The 1841 Census I used to prove that Angus snr's parents were John x Christian/Christina
(For some reason cannot attach copy of census) (Logierait C1841_376_00_011_000_2_007Z)
I looked at their children and the one that I was led to believe was Angus, looked more like Augus or August.
I also looked at Isabella's Marriage entry and Angus looked more like Augus, also the same with Angus's marriage entry Angus looked more like Augus. But the heading on the copy I have from Scotlandspeople says Angus McGregor.
So does Angus = Augus = August? Need to dig deeper!
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I would think that it is Angus. An n can look very much like a u when handwritten.
PS - can you just do a small snip of the census and attach here. You aren't allowed to put up a full page because of copyright.
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Your McGregors were neighbours of my ancestors in Mill St Aberfeldy.The men worked in the Mill which is now a tourist attraction.The workers' houses in Mill St still exist.
You need to check the birth dates of the children you are quoting because they differ from what is on Ancestry for 1841 and the actual dates on SP..
The family are still in Aberfeldy 1851 with parents' place of birth being Kenmore..The father may have died pre 1855.According to SP the mother Christian McGregor nee Campbell died 1862 Aberfeldy.She is in the 1861 census on SP but not on Ancestry.The couple married in Kenmore in 1816 with the first child Janet born there the following year.
Hope this helps
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Cambron thanks for the information, will check the years of birth of the children. I noticed John was a miller. Thanks, Will have to make a visit.
Gedget tried to attach extracts of 1841 census, and marriage of Angus jnr. I have also found an IGI Individual Record on the LDS site Angus McGregor born 12 Feb 1834, christening 20 Feb 1834, Place of Birth Kenmore parents John and Christian. This is giving me a headache... lol
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Hi Lorica :)
They all read Angus to me. i think the slightly open n might look like a u.
I'll start looking at your family in more detail over the next few days and see if I can find anything more that may help.
The 1841 entry has Angus's wife as Christian and his occupation as miller. This doesn't tie in with the Janet m.s Stewart and occupation gamekeeper on the marriage cert.
I assume that the marriage entry is the correct Angus and you are trying to find the mother and father listed there on the censuses. Neither are noted as deceased on the marriage cert so I'd look for them on the closest census to that date.
I also note that this Angus is a carter which doesn't tie in with the University student that you mentioned earlier.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
I have just up dated some information in an earlier post.
Angus Senior wasnt a Miller, the Millar was the person I think is his father John McGregor. Yer I agree on the way Angus is Written that it is Angus and nothing else, now it has been explained.. :)
Yer I did think the Uni References didnt seam to fit with his occupation according to Angus jnr wedding entry in the register.
The following extract is from the marriage registry entry for Isabella McGregor daughter of Angus McGregor Jnr
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Forgot to add this to my last posting I wasnt sure what Janet's Maiden surname was not very good at reading Old hand writing.
Glad you could read it :)
Thanks for the help Gadget much appreciated
Regards
Lorica
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Sorry - got mixed up with all the Anguses!
Just trying to get this together from your DofBs and census/cert info
John (b. 1796) m Christian Occ - Miller
Angus (b. 1834) m Janet Stewart Occ - Gamekeeper
Angus (b. 1867) m Mary Ann Occ - Carter/Contractor
Have you got the marriage cert of Angus and Janet Stewart? This would link into John and Christian.
Gadget
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Lorica
There's something odd about the Angus b.circa 1867. His birth doesn't seem to appear around then. The nearest that I get are two births (on SP and IGI) :
2 May 1864 - Fowlis Wester Parents - Alexander McGregor and Janet Stewart
18 Jun 1864 in Dunblane Parents - James McGregor and Sarah McLeod
The Fowlis Wester couple married 20 December 1861, Fowlis Wester
Can you check on the Angus (1867) on the 1871-1901 censuses for place and date of birth.
Gadget
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This family research is giving me a headache!
I dont have any marriage certificates for any of them. I have not even been able to find any register entries for Angus and Janet Stewarts wedding, just been on SP spent all my credits and got nothing of any value.....
Been trying to find Angus Jnr on 1881 census but nothing.......
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Have you found a birth record for Isabella - I've not found one with those parents so far and I don't want to exhaust my resources :-\
I've been searching on M*gr*g*r and just Is 1890-1995.
Nothing on the 1901 that looks promising for her either.
Something very strange.
I'll have to take a break from this - boring chores must be done.
Will investigate further.
It might be worth trying to find a death for Isabella and also follow up Janet McGregor (witness at her marriage).
I think we have to start from Isabella and get her placed and then work backwards from there.
Gadget
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There's an interesting family on the 1901:
139 High Streeet, Auchterarder 329 ED 7 page 2
David Clark, 64
Isabella, 53
(others) and grandchildren:
McGregor
Alexander, 11, b. Grahamstown, Stirlingshire
Isabella, 7, b. Glasgow
Janet, 5, b. Glasgow
Anguss, 3, b. Glasgow
It's a large entry so worth you considering it.
I'll check up on these births and get back
Gadget
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I only have an approximate year of birth for Isabella 1893 used her age listed on Marriage entry. I know Isabella's daughter was Cathrine Louden, Cathrine died in 2006, so going to have a look there
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Isobella Louden (other name McGregor) died in Dunoon in 1978, aged 84. You'll have to order the cert via SP - not downloadable.
Gadget
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Angus married Mary Ann Seath in 1889 and gave his father as Angus and his mother as Janet Stewart.
When he died in 1926 in Auchterarder the certificate as witnessed by his daughter Isabella Louden says his father was Alexander and mother was again Janet Stewart.This couple married in 1861 in Fowlis Wester and appear with their son Angus in the 1871 census. Alexander was born in Fowlis Wester circa 1842.
It doesn't appear that any of these are linked to the Aberfeldy McGregors so I guess they weren't my ancestors' neighbours after all :(.
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See my reply earlier
Lorica
There's something odd about the Angus b.circa 1867. His birth doesn't seem to appear around then. The nearest that I get are two births (on SP and IGI) :
2 May 1864 - Fowlis Wester Parents - Alexander McGregor and Janet Stewart
18 Jun 1864 in Dunblane Parents - James McGregor and Sarah McLeod
The Fowlis Wester couple married 20 December 1861, Fowlis Wester
Can you check on the Angus (1867) on the 1871-1901 censuses for place and date of birth.
Gadget
Lorica hasn't come back to me on this :(
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So if you agree with me, Cambron, I'll start looking for the Alexander and Janet now :)
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If you follow through with the McGregors of Fowlis Wester you will see they come up as McRosties-not one of the recognised septs of the McGregors.
I wonder what the story was ???
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McRostie is a new one on me :o
I'll go investigate all this later. it's getting chore time and I'm in the dark (must switch on the light ;D
This is a good example of why one should always work back carefully through all the available documents .
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Im back just had to go out for a few minutes look like I missed loads... sorry will have to read back and have a look
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Details from the marriage cetificate of Alexander McGregor and Janet Stewart, Fowlis Wester (Free Church, ?Gilmorton?) on 20th December 1861:
Alexander McGregor, ploughman, bachelor, aged 22. Residence - Blackford.
Parents - Duncan McGregor, Tailor and Betsy m.s. Hunter (decesed)
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Janet Stewart, domestic servant, spinster, aged 20. Residen ce - ?Gilmorton.
Parents - Angus Stewart, ploughman and Margaret m.s. McGegor (deceased)
Witnesses - D McDiarmid and Alex McLaren
So Angus (father of Isabella was probably named after his maternal grandfather)
1871:
Fowlis Wester, Perthshire - 357 ED 7 Page 5
McGregor
Alex, 29, labourer
Janet, 26, b. Edinburgh
Duncan, 8
Angus, 6
George , 5
Alex, 2
Peter , 1
All except Janet b. Fowlis Wester
Gadget
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IGI, extracted:
Duncan McGregor married Betsey Hunter on 2nd Dec 1838, Fowlis Wester
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Let me get this straight somehow I made a booboo! :o :(
I thought I was being very careful I got an IGI for an Angus McGregor born Feb 1834 in Kenmore I took that as being the right Angus Snr as Angus jnr Marrage entry had said his fathers name was Angus. I must have put 2+2 together and got 5
So Angus Snr is not Angus he's Alexander! Still trying to take in the discoveries
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Yes - he's Alexander and his father was Duncan. Here they are in 1841:
1841
Blairmore Cottage, Fowlis Wester 357 - ED 3 Page 6
McGregor
Duncan, 25, tailor
Betsey, 25
Alexr, 2
James, 6 months
Duncan b. Scotland, others b. Perthshire
Note that on the 1841 ages of those over 15 were usually rounded down into 5 year age groups so that 25 could be anything between 25 and 29
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I have attached a copy of the 1871 Census for Angus McGregor. Unfortunatly I cannot read the Place of Birth all I can read is Perthshire, think it is Fowlis Wester. will have a look at an other Census
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Hi
To me it looks very like Fowlis Wester so what we've now found is the correct line :)
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But I've already given you this :-\
Details from the marriage cetificate of Alexander McGregor and Janet Stewart, Fowlis Wester (Free Church, ?Gilmorton?) on 20th December 1861:
Alexander McGregor, ploughman, bachelor, aged 22. Residence - Blackford.
Parents - Duncan McGregor, Tailor and Betsy m.s. Hunter (decesed)
and
Janet Stewart, domestic servant, spinster, aged 20. Residen ce - ?Gilmorton.
Parents - Angus Stewart, ploughman and Margaret m.s. McGegor (deceased)
Witnesses - D McDiarmid and Alex McLaren
So Angus (father of Isabella was probably named after his maternal grandfather)
1871:
Fowlis Wester, Perthshire - 357 ED 7 Page 5
McGregor
Alex, 29, labourer
Janet, 26, b. Edinburgh
Duncan, 8
Angus, 6
George , 5
Alex, 2
Peter , 1
All except Janet b. Fowlis Wester
Gadget
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My Brain is frazzled I realised after I got the 1871 census that you had given me the details already... will pick another census to try...might try 1901 that should give me some details about Isabella
Thankyou so much for your help.. cannot believe I was such a noob at this tree :-[
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Wouldn't worry about having to change your assumptions.If it were straightforward it wouldn't be interesting.
At least you now have a reasonably robust tree with opportunities to take the McGregors further back.
I now have some more info on people in Aberfeldy mill thanks to your original post which I can build on.
So all is well :)
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Hi Lorica
I've been looking for Isabella/variations on the 1901 on and off for the last few hours and this is still the best that I can come up with. I can't see how the Clark surname would fit in but there is a Janet (poss witness on the marriage of 1912) and some of the names seem to fit :-\
There's an interesting family on the 1901:
139 High Streeet, Auchterarder 329 ED 7 page 2
David Clark, 64
Isabella, 53
(others) and grandchildren:
McGregor
Alexander, 11, b. Grahamstown, Stirlingshire
Isabella, 7, b. Glasgow
Janet, 5, b. Glasgow
Anguss, 3, b. Glasgow
It's a large entry so worth you considering it.
I'll check up on these births and get back
Gadget
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Cambron a bit more information for youregarding the Aberfeldy McGregors I have some information regarding John McGregor Miller he was born 29th April 1796 His father was Hugh McGregor mother was Margaret I got the information from the OPR for Aberfeldy OPR 360/3 Pg98
Gadget I have seen this Census wil have a look and see if I can find it again
Thanks again both of you for your help
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It is them, Lorica.
I've just found Alexander (aged 11 on the 1901 census ) and parents are Angus and Mary Ann ;D ;D ;D
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Full details:
August 11 1890
10 John street, Grahamstown. Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Alexander McGregor.
Parents - Angus McGregor, Carter and Mary Ann McEwan McGregor. M.S Seath or Leath
So Isabella was b. Glasgow
Gadget
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I've just found the marriage of a David Clark and an Isabella McGregor in Auchterarder, in 1878. You'll have to get the cert to see how Isabella fits into the line - I'm assuming that she mght be Angus's stepmother or some close relative.
Gadget
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Found the Census you mentioned Yes I had already looked at it but wasnt sure about it as they were living with the Clark family. But it does generate more questions
Who are the Clarkes? and where is mum and dad?
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I think that's for you to find out - see my ref to the marriage of David and Isabella:
I've just found the marriage of a David Clark and an Isabella McGregor in Auchterarder, in 1878. You'll have to get the cert to see how Isabella fits into the line - I'm assuming that she mght be Angus's stepmother or some close relative.
Gadget
Also the fact that Alexander was Angus and Mary Ann's son:
Full details:
August 11 1890
10 John street, Grahamstown. Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Alexander McGregor.
Parents - Angus McGregor, Carter and Mary Ann McEwan McGregor. M.S Seath or Leath
So Isabella was b. Glasgow
Gadget
You sound very underwhelmed :-\
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I'm getting confused!! ???
That 1901 census has 3 Isabella's.
My Isabella that married Andrew Louden is the Isabella Grand daughter age 7 Isabella's Parents were Angus and Mary Ann Seath
Angus is still alive he dies in 1926, but not sure about Mary Ann Seath
Just reread your post several times...... so what has happened to Janet Stewart? Angus's mother?
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I am overwhelmed with the information I need to let it sink in and to try and get my head around it, let the bits fit together Im going to go to the Library tomorrow and try to find more about David Clark and Isabella McGregor
To be honest I dont have much information on Angus's and Mary Anns children, I was only aware of Isabella, so I know have all these siblings of Isabella, and the names are all the same or so it seams
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Not sure about Mary Ann . I'll see if I can find a death.
There are 2 possible deaths for a Janet McGregor other name Stewart:
1890 Blackfriars, Glasgow, aged 47
1903 Stirling, aged 60
Either you have to get both certs or you could check up on the 1891 and 1901 to see if Janet McGregor is still alive - born circa 1846 according to the 1871
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Sorry - I can't find a suitable death for Mary Ann at the moment. I'm getting tired. I've been searching since this afternoon on this one.
I'll see if I can find anything tomorrow but I'd like you to try as well - it will all be on SP.
Gadget
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I'm trying to formulate an Hypothosis!!! ;D
According to the 1901 census Isabella married to David Clark, Isabella to my reconning was born about 1848 so could she have been sister to Alexander, daughter of Duncan and Betsy?
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Dont worry I'am trying you should see my desk covered in papers, notes and scraps of paper. I have made a list of things to try and check at the library tomorrow
I do appreciate all the help you have given me so far
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Hypotheses (usually null ones if we're being scientific!) are put forward to be tested against the available evidence. I've given you a source of this to find out who Isabella might be:
I've just found the marriage of a David Clark and an Isabella McGregor in Auchterarder, in 1878. You'll have to get the cert to see how Isabella fits into the line - I'm assuming that she mght be Angus's stepmother or some close relative.
Gadget
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Lorica ~
A lot of information has been found today.
I think the best thing for you might be to print this thread out and construct a new chart with all the new names, dates, etc.
You can do this by pressing the Print icon at the top and bottom of the thread (right hand side)
Gadget
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I have just done a family IGI search:
Alexander McGregor and Janet Strewart
These are the children I found all born in Fowlis wester
Angus 2 May 1864
Peter 2 Apr 1870
George 29 Jan 1866
Duncan 11 Nov 1862
Isabella 6 Oct 1871
and possibly Betsy Mgregor 2 Oct 1873 born in Crieff
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Lorica ~
Aunty Gadget's going to give you a test tomorrow - better do the homework that she's set ;D ;D ;D
PS - you can do the same for the children of Duncan McGregor and Betsy Hunter ;)
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LOL :'( ;D
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IGI Search
Duncan McGregor and Betsy Hunter
Children:
Mary 15 Dec 1844
John 8 Oct 1842
Alexander 14 Apr 1838
Betsy 17 Jan 1850
Margaret 4 Mar 1847
Duncan 8 Nov 1856
Cathrine 14 Sept 1852
James 12 Nov 1840
All children born in Fowlis Wester
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Think this is Duncan and Betsy on the 185 1 with their ages down wrongly (should be in their 30s not 50s !)
Pellandie, Fowlis Wester - 357 ED 2 Page 1
Gregor
Duncan M, 56 (?36), tailor, b. Fortingall
Betsy, 55 (?35)
Alexdr, 14
James, 12
John, 10
Mary, 7
Margaret, 5
Betsy, 2
All but Duncan born Fowlis Wester
Goodnight :D
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and for a nightcap, this looks like Duncan McGregor's baptism (going by the naming of his children):
17 Oct 1816, Fortingall
Duncan McGregor s/o Alexander McGregor and Catherine McDougall
Gadget
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sorry for loging off without saying I was going had computer issues!!!
Been to the Library this morning didnt have long unfortunatly but this is what I have found:-
1841 Fowlis Wester 357 ED3 Pg 6
Duncan 25 Tailor
Betsy 25
Alexander 2
James 6mo
1851 Fowlis Wester 357 ED2 Pg1
Duncan 56! Tailor
Betsy 56!
Alexander 14
James 12
John 10
Mary 7
Margaret 5
Betsy 2
1861 Fowlis Wester 357 ED1 Pg3
Duncan 46 (Widower) Master Tailor
Mary 16 Domestic Servant
Margaret 14 Domestic Servant
Betsy 11
Cathrine 8
1871 Fowlis Wester 357 ED7 Pg5
Alexander 29 Labourer Fowlis Wester
Janet 26 Edinburgh
Duncan 8
Angus 6
George 5
Alex 2
Peter 1
Alexander and family dont live in Fowlis Village itself they live in a small village within the parish of Fowlis Wester. The village is Gilmerton
The reference from SP to an Isabella Mcgregor born 06/10/1871 Fowlis Wester didnt show as a daughter of Alexander and Janet did find out that the 1871 cesus was carried out on the 3rd April which explains why Isabella didnt show on cesus she wasnt born till later in the year, and she would proberly be born in Gilmerton.
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Hi Lorica
Very good but, if you check back on this thread you'll find that apart from the 1861 census, I'd already listed all that yesterday/last night :-\
Regards
Gadget
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Yes i realise you had mentioned it yersterday just wanted to put it all together so could see it together
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Hi Lorica :)
All this info came very quickly so it's a lot to take in at once.
I think the best thing might be for you to get it all together and if there are any more queries to come back and ask.
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget been printing documents like crazy!!!! so I can re draw the family tree. I will add to this topic if I get anymore additional information.
Thanks again Gadget and Cambron :)
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New issue!!!! Gadget!!!!!!!
Isabella Clark (MS McGregor) I have now got the marriage entry in the register.
Isabella was 32 and a widow, her father was Donald McGregor, and mother was Janet McGregor cannot read Janets Maiden name looks like Deuchass / Deuchars. The entry still hasn't shed much light on her place in the McGregor family...... :-\ ???
One interesting point I thought was she got married to David in the Free Church, Alexander was christened in the Free Church.
I also thought Donald's job was interesting! He was a Policeman in the early to mid 1800's
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So born circa 1846 then.
What was her father's occupation given as?
Does it give any info about her previous husband?
Gadget
Added - did you mean that Donald, her father or Donald her husband was a policeman?
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Sorry - ignore the Donald confusion. I've gone back and seen that her husband was David!
It seems that we have Donalds, Duncans and a David ::)
The 1901 has her born Dunblane.
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Hi Gadget,
No information given regarding Isabella's first husband,
Father: Donald McGregor (Desceased) Occupation Policeman
Mother: Janet McGregor ms Deuchars no occupation
Isabella's occupation was in textiles weaving etc which matches with the rest of the McGregors
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Im thinking Donald McGregor could have been a brother to Duncan McGregor?
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The 1901 has her born Dunblane.
Who's birth?
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IGI is showing these children for Donald McGregor and Janet Deuchars in Auchterarder:
20 March 1841 - Margaret
20 June 1843 - John
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Both John and Margaret are family names, just looking to see if I can find some census information
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The 1901 has her born Dunblane.
Who's birth?
Isabella's
Got the family on the 1851 in Glasgow- with father as a police constable, as you said. Isabella b. circa 1846, Dunblane
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Donald born circa 1816 indecipherable place, Perthshire
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Sorry getting mixed up with the Isabella's ???
Isabella married to David Clark her father was the policeman,
Havent checked the Isabella in born in Dunblane yet 1901
I think I found Donald McGregor in 1841 in Fowlis Wester, need to see the transcript to confirm
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Sorry - lack of red warnings means that I don't see what you've posted until I've posted.
I think I've also found Isabella in the 1861 in Blackford as a servant aged 14, b. Auchterarder. No sign of her parents so far apart from on the 1851 in Glasgow.
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I have ran out of credits, so cannot look at the cesus for 1841, did find on IGI a marriage of a
Donald McGregor to a Janet lists her surname as McGregor but the wedding took place in Fowlis Wester in 1781
Loads of Donald McGregors in Kenmore lol ;D
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1841
Interesting but maybe Donald was away from home. it wasn't unusual for women to use their maiden name:
Auchterarder
Deuchars
John, 60, Cotton HLW
Isabella, 25
Janet, 22
Isabella Miller, 55
Jane Lawson, 10
Margaret McGregor, 2 months
all b. Perthshire. Sadly no relationships given on the 1841 but most likely John was Janet's father
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Did it tell you what area of Glasgow Donal and his family were in in 1851?
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1851:
29 College Street, Glasgow St Paul
McGregor
Donald, 35, police constable, b. (?), Perthshire
Janet, 35, b. Auchterarder
Margaret, 10, b. Auchterarder
John, 7, b. Auchterarder
Isabella, 5, b. Dunblane
Donald, 1, b. Glasgow
Alexander McLeod, 40, lodger, police officer, b. Argyll
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1861
Looks like Donald was dead:
Auchterarder
McGregor
Janet, head, 43, Cotton weaver, b. Auchterarder
John, 17, cotton weaver, b. Auchterarder
Donald, 11, b. Glasgow
Hope that there was a death 1855-1861 :-\
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Donald was dead by the time Isabella got married for the second time to David,
Donald would have died fairly young then he was listed as 35 in 1851, so he must have died between the ages of 35-45, I wonder if his death could have been work related? so there might be a report in the local paper of his death, think worth looking up, and he could be burried in Glasgow
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There is one death showing in Glasgow between 1855 and 1861 for a Donald Mcgregor, b. 1816 +/- 2 .
It might be him :-\
Sorry - no credits.
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Found 1 death of a Donald Mcgregor in Glasgow between 1855-1841, age 41
Think this could be him!
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Think we should say - snap ;D
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Think we both found the same one lol will need to pay a visit to the Library tomorrow
SNAP...... ;D
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Just looked on map for 29 College Street, I dont live far from here my self.....!! and not far away is the cities main Grave yard, think its the Northern Necropolis!
I can see a long day walking round the Grave ard lookin at head stones..... coming up :-\
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Going back to the1901 census: the term 'Grandchild' was not just reserved for real grandchildren back then - it could be that they were related in some other way.
Gadget
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PS
There is also the burial record of a Donald McGregor 5th Sept 1851 in Glasgow Govan.
No age given.
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Remember Duncan b abt 1796 Fortingall married to Betsy Hunter?
Just been looking at IGI and found a birth of a Duncan McGregor in Fortingall, its the only Fortingall birth in the dates I searched by 1796 +/- 2 years, it has given parents names as:
Malcolm McGregor & Margaret Willson
think this is the right one :-\
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Looking back at your reply #56, it looks as if that Duncan died between 1861 and 1871 so you'll be able to check his parents from a death cert :)
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good thinking.... Tried to do a family search on IGI for Malcom and Margaret only comes up with Duncan,
will look into the Death cert of Duncan
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Haven't found anything that looks promising so far!
However, remember that he was born circa 1816 from the 1841 and 1861 censuses.
It might well be that his baptism is missing for some reason.
Need to go back and find the naming pattern of his children - might give us some clues.
Added :
Alexander 14
James 12
John 10
Mary 7
Margaret 5
Betsy 2
So it might be that father was Alexander and mother was Margaret
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IGI have: for Duncan Mcgregor b. Fortingall circa 1816
17 October 1816 - parents Alexander McGregor and Catherine McDougall
and:
9 May 1814 - parents John McGregor and Margaret McNaughtan
I was sure that I'd done this one before!
and for a nightcap, this looks like Duncan McGregor's baptism (going by the naming of his children):
17 Oct 1816, Fortingall
Duncan McGregor s/o Alexander McGregor and Catherine McDougall
Gadget
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Night Gadget, off to bed getting late will pick this up again in the morning and have a good look :)
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Not gone yet.... why have i got year of birth for Duncan as 1796??? These Mcgregors.......
Yep i did recognise the name christine mcDougall
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Just done an IGI family search with Alexander and Cathrine McDougall, I got loads of children, and the names in most cases would follow naming patterns of the family,
but i was interested to find a Donald McGregor aswell!!!
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Very interesting given the names of the children.
I think that these are Betsy's parents but this is not her birth unless she underestimated her age by about 7 years:
5 June 1809, Fowlis Wester - Elizabeth Hunter. Parents - Jas. Hunter and Mary Young
Now I must leave you to struggle on a bit further.
Have fun :D
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget, will let you know what I find out
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Just another little snippet to try to find out Donald's birthplace.
This is from the 1851 and looks something like Famekle. I can't think of anywhere that sounds like that. It's not Fortingall, which I was hoping for.
I've enclose enough of the writing to show how the Fs are written.
Gadget
Added - I'll put it up on the deciphering board to see if anyone can work it out:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,414081.0.html
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Hi All
Could it readForneth
which is in the same area
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Marr.1866 Dec.14 387 P.116 Ent.232 At 293 High Street Ch of Scotland
James Seath Sailor Widower 30 of Auchterarder Son of
James Seath Shoemaker & Mary Seath m.s.McEwan Dec.
Isabella McGregor Domestic Servand Spinster 20 Daughter
of Donald McGregor Shoemaker Dec. & Janet McGregor m.s. Deuchars
Witnesses Andew Seath & Helen Auld
Marr.1889 Jun.7 329 P.4 Ent.7 At Auchterarder Prebyterian Ch of Scotland
Angus McGregor Carter Bachelor 22 of Madderty Son of
Angus Mcgregor Gamekeeper & Janet McGregor m.s. Stewart
Mary Ann McEwan Seath Power Loom Weaver 18 of Auchterarder
Daughter of James Seath Sailor Dec. & Isabella Seath Now Clark
m.s. McGregor Witnesses Betsy Hampson & Andrew Ford
Marr.1878 Jun.28 329 P.3 Ent.5 At Fues Auchterarder Free Ch of Scotland
David Clark Shoemaker Journeyman Bachelor 41 of Auchterarder
Son of James Clark Linen Weaver Dec. & m.s. Diston Dec.
Isabella McGregor Power Loom Weaver Widow 32 Feus Auchterarder
Daughter of Donald McGregor Policeman Dec.& Janet McGregor m.s. Deuchars
Witnesses James Clark & Isabella Mc Laren
Death 1887 Apr.27 329 P.9 Ent.26 At Feus Auchterarder
Janet MacGregor Widow of Donald MacGregor Shoemaker
70 Years Daughter of John Deuchars Weaver Dec. &
Isabella Deuchars m.s. Miller Dec. Cause : Cerebral Softening
1 Year Inft. John McGregor Son Present
Marr.1881 Jan.5 329 P. Ent.1 At Creiff Road Auchterarder Free Ch of Scotland
John MacGregor Warper Bachelor 37 years of Fues Auchterarder
Son of Donald MacGregor Shoemaker Master Dec. & Janet MacGregor
m.s. Deuchars
Jessie Morrison Power Loom Weaver Spinster 32 of Creiff Road Auchterarder
Daughter of Duncan McNicol Reputed Father & Ann Morrison
Witnesses Donald MacGregor & Mary Guthrie
Marr.1882 Dec.29 329 P.12 Ent.24 At Auchterarder Presbyterian Ch of Scotland
Donald McGregor Mason Journeyman Bachelor 33 of Auchterarder
Son of Donald McGregor Shoemaker Dec & Jessie McGregor m.s.Deuchars
Mary Guthrie Factory Worker Spinster 29 of Auchterarder Daughter of
John Guthrie Woolen Weaver Reputed Father & Catherine Drummond Domestic Servant Dec. Witnesses John Boswell & Catherine Faichney