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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: Magian on Friday 09 October 09 16:50 BST (UK)
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I am stumped and wonder if anyone can help me find a death certificate for James Stewart or suggest a line to follow.
James Stewart married Margaret MCNaughton 3/1/1845 in Edinburgh.
According to the birth certs of their children James (1846), John (1847) and Jane (1849) and the 1841 census he was a printer. He was born in Midlothian around 1815 (1841 census he was 26) I'm hoping a death certificate will help me there.
At the 1871 census Margaret was a widow living in Edinburgh describing herself as "formerly a printer's wife" so his death was prior to that and post the 1848 conception of Jane.
Any help would be appreciated.
Magian
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hi Magian :)
the 1851 and 1861 census could help narrow down a death date
do you have a birth year/birth place for margaret ?
there is a tree here which has them going to australia ???
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=marycotter&id=I95324766
do you have a death for margaret ?
there is one showing on SP margaret stewart(other surname mcnaughton)
1880 st george(edinburgh) midlothian born c1823
ev
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have you tried scotlands people as it is not perfect as some records are missing, the only thing is james stewart is so common but you have pretty good dates to go on there.
terry
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This looks like the family in 1851 - everyone showing as born in Edinburgh:
James Stewart 36, Printers Compositor
Margaret Stewart 30
James Stewart 5
Jane Stewart 3
John Stewart 1
Address: 3 Clyde Street, Edinburgh
Monica
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Possible entry for 1861:
Margaret Stewart 41, laundress
James Stewart 15, cabinet maker
Jean Stewart 13
Address: 8 B Henderson Row, Edinburgh
Monica
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James Stewart had a son Joseph who was tranported to Australia under the alias goodwin. He was tried in Edinburgh for theft.
He lived in Blair street with his brother. Would someone with the same connection please email me and we can swap information
about our relations.
Sheryl
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James stewart married Mary ann maule and moved from Tasmania to Melbourne where he was a saddler.
Sheryl
Melbourne Australia
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Hi Sheryl
When you say James Stewart had a son Joseph - which James Stewart is this? Is he the son of James and Margaret (McNaughton)?
Monica :)
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Yes he is, I have been tracing joseph and his convict past for many years. I discovered that these are his parents as put on his convict papers.
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From www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/:
Joseph Stewart, alias Goodwin, brother of James Stewart Not called. Note: See also AD2/19/103-112; AD2/19/165-168; AD2/19/259-266
Date: 21 Feb 1848
Was Joseph a brother of James Snr.? Not sure how this can be confirmed as likely James Snr died pre the start of official registration to be able to confirm his parents' names.
What names do you have for Joseph's parents from his Australian records?
Monica
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I cannot see a Joseph Stewart/Stuart in the 1841 census in Midlothian area that could fit but there is this entry in 1841 which may well be Joseph due to the Goodwin name:
James Goodwin 30, Gin & Beer Brewer b. Scotland
Eliza Goodwin 25 b. Scotland
Joseph Goodwin 10
James Goodwin 7
Eliza Alexander 8
Address: Shakespeare Square 7, Edinburgh
The use of two surnames in Joseph's trial paeprs may simply mean that his mother remarried and Joseph was known under two surnames perhaps.
Monica
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Hope this may help
Joseph Stewart Born the 18/3/1831
STEWART (ALIAS GOODWIN) JOSEPH AD14 481343
HEIGHT 5'5" HAIR DARK BROWN EYES HAZEL
RELIGION PRESBYTERIAN
OCCUPATION SADDLER
AGE AT TIME OF ARREST 17 YEARS
PLACE OF RESIDENCE: WITH BROTHER JAMES STEWART 1847/48
BLAIR STREET EDINBURGH, SCOTLAND
CRIME THEFT BY HOUSEBREAKING/OPENING LOCKFAST PLACES
TRIED FRIDAY 17TH MARCH 1848
SENTENCE 10 YEARS TRANSPORTATION
EMBARKED RODNEY 1 23-8-1850 (PORTLAND DORSET)
ARRIVED HOBART 28.11.1850
TICKET OF LEAVE APPROVED 30.01.1855
PARENTS JOHN STEWART/JANET MCNAUGHTON 23-5-1824 (DULL)
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I have seen the trees on Ancestry for Joseph, with parents John Armour Stewart and Janet McNaughton :) Not sure if we can connect him or these parents to the James who married a Margaret McNaughton on this thread though :-\
Can't easily see a Joseph Stewart with a birth date c. 1831 on the 1841 census. The only one that stood out was that entry under Goodwin.
Monica
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Ok thank you for your help I will keep trying
Sheryl
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MONICA,
I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE DATES AND MAYBE YOU ARE CORRECT HE WAS A GOODWIN AND HIS MOTHER REMARRIED.
WHAT AN INTERESTING THOUGHT. I THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR HELP.
CHEERS
SHERYL
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IGI at www.familysearch.org is currently down :-\ I'll check later to see whether we can find anything further :)
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Youre a great help thankyou
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Sheryl
Did this info come from Joseph's convict papers:
PARENTS JOHN STEWART/JANET MCNAUGHTON 23-5-1824 (DULL)
And from Joseph's marriage and death certs in Australia - were these names confirmed?
Monica
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There are potentially some siblings showing for Joseph showing as born/christened in Edinburgh. These entries show on the Old Parish Registers for Edinburgh on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk:
15/09/1825 Elizabeth Stewart
27/03/1831 Joseph Stewart
31/10/1834 Emley Stewart
There looks to be a number of couples with the same names, a number of births/christening show in various places in Perthshire for a couple with these names so you need to take care with your line for Joseph that you don't make a mistake by going off his line.
Possibly the date that you have for Joseph's parents from his papers relates to their marriage. There is this entry showing on the OPRs:
John Stewart and Janet MacNaughtan on 23/05/1824 in Dull, Perthshire
Have you looked at any of these original images on Scotlands People to see what they may say about the family? Going by the dates we are seeing, possible that parents moved to Edinburgh after their marriage in 1824 and first born Elizabeth born there.
Monica
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Dear Monica,
You are very thorough, I will continue to search. If I can every be of any help to you please do not hesitate to ask.
Sheryl
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Sorry, I've been out the loop for a quite a while.
My James Stewart & Margaret McNaughton didn't have a son Joseph. We have no Australian connections.
I hope you find your one!
Regards
Magian
Hi Sheryl
When you say James Stewart had a son Joseph - which James Stewart is this? Is he the son of James and Margaret (McNaughton)?
Monica :)