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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: maidmarion on Friday 09 October 09 14:45 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
I am looking for some (any ;) ) information on Peter Christmas Evans, a teacher. He was born Dec 1/4 1854 Wrexham, Denbighshire to Peter & Rebecca. I have him on the UK census 1861/71.
This is most likely his marriage
West Derby, Lancashire Sep 1/4 1879 Peter Christmas Evans to Louisa Kent.
He is mentioned in a Wrexham local history book as becoming a Mayor 5 3 times in the USA. :)
Thank you
maidmarion :)
Modified to correct error.
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The California Death Index (available for free on www.rootsweb.com) has a Peter Christmas Evans born 25 Dec. 1854 and died 23 Feb. 1947 in Los Angeles.
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Hi shellyesq,
Thank you very much for the information and link. Looks as though he lived to a grand old age. :)
maidmarion
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Direct link to the CA death index:
http://vitals.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ca/death/search.cgi
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html
- seems to show in the 1920 census a Peter C. Evans b. 1854 Wales, living in California with wife Louisa, and in 1900 in Syracuse, NY a Peter C. Evans b. Dec 1885 "England", emigrated 1880, b. England parents b. Wales.
The 1900 image is on that site - he is a grocer at that time.
There's a picture of him here on page 220:
http://www.archive.org/details/notablemenofcent00stod
Also on the familysearch site there's a death listed in Arizona for his son Edwin H. Evans. Edwin appears to be in the 1920 census in Arizona with wife Alice and three kids - http://genealogy.az.gov/ is another site for Arizona genealogy.
His wife, Alice Marshall Evans, died in 1936.
Two births on the az.gov site - Harriet Jessie Evans in 1916, Alice Elizabeth in 1928 (both Pima), and a death for one of their children - Harriet in 1955.
There is some family tragedy here - Alice Marshall died from a self-inflected gunshot wound in 1936, and on Harriet's death certificate it suggests that she died partially due to having been injured in the same incident in 1936, although she did go on to marry and lived for a further 19 years. Their son, Marshall Kent Evans, appears to have died in California.
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Hi jorose :)
Sorry if I was slow to say thankyou but I have been going through the wealth of information you have supplied.
The link to the "noblemen" book containing a photo of Peter is wonderful and I cannot thank you enough.
Although he is only a small twig on my tree, he has ventured further than anyone else and research within the USA is therefore new territory :o
Kind regards,
maidmarion
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Hi :)
I would love to prove if he did indeed became a Mayor. Can anyone suggest where I may need to look for further info please?
Thank you
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I found a bunch of articles in Syracuse newspapers from the late 1890's that refer to an Alderman Evans, one of which specifies that his first name is Peter. One of the articles says that another alderman suggested Alderman Evans sell his account to his partner Mr. Mann, so that seems to match up with the information under the picture that jorose found.
So maybe alderman got misconstrued as mayor?
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It looks as though Peter Evans lived in Syracuse, New York for quite some time. Here is a list of the mayors of that city.
Mayors of Syracuse New York
Irving G. Vann 1879-1880
William Burns Kirk III 1890
Jacob Amos 1892-1896
Edward Schoeneck (R) 1910-1913
Walter R. Stone (R) 1916
Harry H. Farmer 1921
Charles Hanna (R) 1926-1929
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In the Boyd's Duplex Directory of Syracuse, New York from 1899-1900, there is a picture of the aldermen of Syracuse. One of the pictures is of Peter C. Evans of the 18th Ward & he looks to be the same guy from the other picture. There's also a listing in there that says: Evans, Peter C., Alderman Eighteenth Ward, also John H. Mann & Co. fine groceries, 107 S. Warren, tel 601, and 351 S. Salina, h 118 W. Castle.
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Thanks shellyesq and merjones for all your help
:)
Yes it appears he was definately an Alderman rather than a Mayor. So I guess the info may have had a dose of "chinese whispers" on route back to Wales ;D ;D ;D
Kind ragards,
Maidmarion
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Hi Just saw your post Peter Christmas Evans
Hes a relative of mine, he is the brother of samuel evans, samuel being my hubbys grt grt grandad
was wondeing why i couldnt go any further didnt realise he had emigrated
kaz
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Hi Kaz,
Sending a PM :)
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Hi Maidmarion, ty for your message have messaged you back ;D
would like to thank you all for the info you found, sorry for jumping on your thread maidmarion i just happened to be looking on the off chance that someone might have info or posted a message about him as its an unusual name, and he is the first one ive found that emigrated so searching for him in another country is new to me and have no idea where to look or how to order certificates.
On another note i had a look at the picture of him and the family resemblence jumps out at you its scary! lol
many thanks
kaz
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Have been looking up all the info given in the links, i havent been able to find info on Peter being an alderman.
I have found the birth certs of Harriet jessie Evans and Alice elizabeth evans
havent been able to find the births of (*)
evans and Marshall Kent evans but i know they were born in 1913 and are twins.
Marsahll died in 1954 and is buried in ft rosecrans national cemetary, dont k now if he was married or had children
(*) is the informant on her father Edwins death cert in 1949 and she is single at that time, he was cremated in south lawn crematory
on harriets death cert in 1955 it stated she was divorced and her spouse is named as Russell Hamilton but can not find any marriage records, she is buried in Double Butt cemetary
Cannot find any death records for Louisa ( peters wife)
any help would be really appreciated
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All the articles I found referring to Peter as an alderman was on subscription sites. However, there does appear to be some mention of him here: http://www.scribd.com/Penygelli-School-Teachers/d/21983607 This includes the listing from the directory I gave above. It also states that a book says, "He later became Mayor of one of the States of America, three times." This makes no sense on its face, as the head of a state in the US is a governor, not a mayor. So, clearly, there's some confusion in that book.
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There is a brief mention regarding funeral services for Edwin H. Evans in the 12 May 1949 edition of the Tuscon Daily Citizen. It indicates that Edwin was survived by two daughters, Joan and Mrs.
Dotty(? I think that's what it says - it's difficult to read)Betty* Abrams and a grandson all of Tuscon and "a brother in New York".
Jacquie
*Looked at it again and I'm 99% sure it says Betty. Sorry for the original incorrect information.
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Hi Shelleyesq and Jacquie,
Thank you so much for the information, I did try looking for Edwins obituary in the paper but no matches could be found so frustrating!! however i did find an obituary for his youngest daughter but when i tried to acces the full notice it took me to the newspaper page i entered the date 3rd oct 2004 which is when it appeared and nothing came up
if anyone can somehow find the full notice or put the link up i would be very grateful her name on the record is
Alice "betty" elizabeth Evans Lundquist
will keep trying and see if i can come up with anything else.
many thanks
kaz
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Hi everyone,
I am passing this thread over to Kaz who has a much closer link to Peter Christmas' and his family. I am happy with all the info I received and now have answers to my original query.
I shall continue to read the thread with interest.
Thanks to everyone for their help.
maidmarion :)
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I googled Alice Lundquist's full name as you listed it and found this:
http://tucson.com/classified/obits.php?action=view_obit&ticket_id=0003172052-01802
It doesn't give any information on her family though.
Jacquie
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Hi Maid marion im so glad to have met you on here if it wasnt for your original post i wouldnt have known he had emigrated lol
Thank you Jacquie that is fantastic, the obituary record i found on ancestry from the newspaper is as follows:
Alice "Betty" Elizabeth Evans Lundquist Lost her battle with cancer on September 27, 2004. She was born July 9, 1928 in Tucson, AZ. Predeceased by her parents, Edwin H. Evans and Alice Marshall Evans; her brother, Marshall...
thats where it cuts off and i couldnt find the rest, was hoping it would state a spouse name or her children,
i did find the newspaper one for her dad ( took about 3 hrs to find) and i have no idea who dotty/dolly is unless she is a daughter in law, back to the drawing board i guess lol
kaz
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I took another look and realize it actually says Betty, not Dotty (I'll correct my original post). :P So it should be survived by daughters Joan and Betty Abrams and grandson P. Abrams (I haven't give his name as he may still be alive). So it seems Alice "Betty" Elizabeth may have been married more than once.
In the Tucson Daily Citizen dated 17 Jul 1951 there is a notice of a complaint filed in the divorce action Betty Abrams v Melvin Eugene Abrams. There is a notice in the same paper dated 15 Aug 1951 which indicates that judgment was granted to the plaintiff (Betty).
Jacquie
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Hi Jacquie,
I went to bed with dates, names etc swirling round and i had the same thought what if it was betty instead of dotty and when she died it was her second marriage, i was making it my mission to find a marriage for her and you already beat me to it with divorce details lol,
I cant thank you enough, i can look for a second marriage now for her, and see if she had any more children, i did find out Lindquist is a swedish name so thats another path to venture down lol.
thank you once again
kaz
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Just to let you know ive found out some more info i was searching through the Tuscon daily citizen dated april 4th 1949
Looks like Melvin, Alice and their son was involved in a car accident, also in the car was melvins 16yr old brother N
melvin was 23 at the time making his birth yr about 1926
P was 17months old so was possibly born in 1948?
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I cant thank you enough, i can look for a second marriage now for her, and see if she had any more children, i did find out Lindquist is a swedish name so thats another path to venture down lol.
You'll have to be careful. I got Lindquist in my head a couple of times when searching and spelled it that way in one of my posts too (corrected it when I realized my error) but as you posted earlier it is Lundquist. ;)
I think I see a possible reason for the divorce. In the 3 Aug 1950 edition of the Daily Citizen there is a notice under Justice Court that says Melvin Abrams was convicted of "failure to provide for minor children" and received a 60 day suspended sentence.
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Ooh Jacquie, my mistake, its such an unusual name and i still get it wrong lol,
doesnt look like Alice had much luck with her first hubby, Wonder what it means failing to provide for minors? would that be their children or children by another woman? ive not heard of anyone being convicted for that before.
having been trying to find marriage announcements for both weddings but not come up with anything yet.
I did find a social security death index for a Melvin E Abrams born 13 sept 1926,
death : 4 dec 1998 Huntington beach, orange,
california
could be Alices ex husband, doesnt give much detail, going to attempt to find his obituary in the newspaper
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Hello folks
I was doing a search for a Peter Christmas Evans today, and your messages came up on Rootschat. Could you please fill me in on the link with him, as I have been following various Evans links, very carefully, who fit in with my research.
The Peter Christmas Evans I am looking at was born in 1854, in Bersham, near Wrexham, North Wales, with his birth registered in Wrexham, and was a brother of Samuel Evans (born 1847/1848). They were among 5 children of Peter Evans and his wife Rebecca (nee Williams), and Samuel married Caroline Davey Humphreys in 1874 in Caernarvon, living in Llanbeblig most of their life, also in North Wales.
My original quest was to find out more about this branch of the Evans family, as Caroline and Samuel had 12 children by the time of the UK 1911 census, 7 of whom died in childhood before this date, and others died in early adulthood - very sad. I come from South Wales, and in the family archives is an obituary card for one of the daughters (Mary Caroline Evans) who died, and was buried aged 17 in Risca, Monmouthshire, South Wales in 1893. Another daughter died aged 5 a few months later in 1894 in the same area.
What has puzzled me is: why did "my" Evans family in rural Monmouthshire where people didn't travel far afield, have this obituary card for a girl well away from her home area (at least 150 miles and a very difficult and indirect journey at the time), as I can't find any family connection at all with the 2 Evans groups?
If anyone can shed any light on this query, I should be very grateful as it is really annoying me, not to be able to find a direct link, even going back 2 more generations!!
Many thanks.......
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The California Death Index (available for free on www.rootsweb.com) has a Peter Christmas Evans born 25 Dec. 1854 and died 23 Feb. 1947 in Los Angeles.
Peter's DC: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iyw/